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Agent Orange was used by America extensively in Vietnam! No one seems to complain. The West is a total fuck up! "Do as I say, not as I do!" | |||
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Shanks, that article is almost two years old. I'd like to know the thinking of Iranians now. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless: I'm skeptical about these Israeli attacks causing the Iranian people to revolt against their regime. I think it's more likely they will rally around their country against the attacker. I remember when we were told the Iraqis and Afghanis would welcome our armed forces with open arms. alas again right. | |||
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Whats changed? I dont think the majority of the region is under any false pretence about Hamas and the mentality of the Palestinian population. Just take al look at how the protesters have been received in Egypt. There are plenty of videos of Iranians expressing their current ire at their leaders and not many showing malice towards Israel. And dont forget this. It might be 3 years ago, but that's still fresh in their memories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...20of%20protests,Iran's%20mandatory%20hijab%20law—while If Israel starts bombing civilians in Iran, then yeah things will change. But right now I dont see whats being claimed. | |||
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israel already started to bomb civilians but i do get it is hard to understand ... im adding some links for the non believers ... https://www.nytimes.com/2025/0...-israel-strikes.html https://www.timesofisrael.com/...e-rights-group-says/ https://www.nytimes.com/2025/0...-israel-strikes.html https://www.amnesty.org/en/lat...een-israel-and-iran/ but of course this is coming from right wing medias lol that one might of better selection for those in love with the israel attacks: https://news.sky.com/story/who...as-been-hit-13384900 | |||
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Nice try. 224 people of whom it doesn't specify their links too the regime. I dont class politicians, scientists working for the state and military as civilians. Yes I accept there will have been some true civilians. Mostly family members of the above, or neighbours. But I dont think its in the realms of outright turning the populations opinions. | |||
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for sure all is good lol you do not see it but israel is doing exactly what they are doing in palestine cannot wait to read when usa will come to new zealand to help the maoris to get back their country ... | |||
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Stop being pathetic. As I already said, there are major differences in the conflict that means Israel do not need to involve civilians in the same way as Gaza. Show me widespread damage too Iranian cities? Your comment re USA and Maori is.. well I dont know how to describe it succinctly. so here go's. Not relevant. Designed as an attack on me to score point s or something, Getting personnel when it's not needed, Incorrect in its assumption, Fanciful, Idiotic. In have no idea why. But every time I disagree with you, and many times when I dont, you attack me with stupid shit. Even blaming me for stuff Nakihunter said. So go fuck yourself. | |||
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ah ah you are loosing it ... israel did attack iran not the opposite and you are trying to explain that the victims are related to the mollah regime ... i do not attack you but im trying to picture for you what can happen tomorrow to your country on the same excuses used by israel and usa to attack palestine (not only gaza but again you are blind) and iran ... you have tried to explain that usa and israel will welcome the new liberators again think about your own country and see what can happen. on that you are such a poet and demonstrate again like the maga supporters that when it is going not your way you are left only with insults proving with no doubt who you are ... | |||
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You have no clue, can't comprehend English to a decent degree. And can't add two and two together. I'll leave you with a quote.
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there is only a certain thing we can agree on you should better stay on your islands than trying to explain to the world how iranians will welcome usa and israel liberators ... nz politics had nothing to do with what i tried to explain ... complaining that im stupid because i cannot understand your way is exactly that: you have to accept that in the world nobody will follow your lead and/or your logic ... i tried already to explain to you that english is my 4th languages but again not everybody can master shakespeare but you have not obligation to read me ... and on that please continue going hunting with nakihunter at least he might teach you few things on the differences in this world ... | |||
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Nah, we can't even agree on that. Ive at least supplied Outside corroborating opinion. Now, go back and quote where I have said Iranians will welcome US and Israeli liberators. I havnt. Ive said that they dont hate them. That If Iranians get the chance, they should determine their own course and not have the Shah foisted on them. There is a fucking massive difference between what Ive said, and what you have interpreted Ive said. I havnt even given an opinion on whether regime change is likely. Dont worry, I can't master Shakespeare either. But Im realistic enough not to engage in a discussion in shakespearian English. Your analogy re US and Maori was stupid. Because it's not in the realms of relevance or reality. And if you admit that English is a 4th language, and that you haven't mastered it, then why can't you accept that sometimes you get it wrong when you talk too someone for who its a 1st laungauge? | |||
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lol if you can master only one language how can you explain the whole world lol ... you still do not get it ... i master enough to engage discussions but as you have demonstrate more than one you are more close to trump ad the followers of the cult of the supreme leader that you can admit ...and you are accepting differences nor the fact that the world is not waiting for your usa love supremacy .... you should think about your own country before telling the world how good iranians are with the new order you are trying to bring ... | |||
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I dont try to explain the whole world. I simply gave a logical opinion. Go back and read what I have written and provided evidence too. Something you have failed to do for your opinion. Prove me wrong instead of going down the silly track you have. Im not and have never claimed to understand the world. That argument is a fallacy. Ive stated it's hard to have a conversation with you because You dont fully understand English. Nothing to do with the world. Just our conversation. Take your comment re My USA love. Please provide evidence of such. What order am I trying to bring to Iran? Tell me how you came to that conclusion with what I have said. Let me remind you of what I have explicitly said.
In the same post you quoted me from for fucks sake. | |||
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And in case you dont understand. Im using swear words because its the best way to express frustration at being mis represented. | |||
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if you cant have a conversation why are still trying to educate me on what i should understand from you ... you do not get it and im not here to tell you what is right or wrong just that the iranians are not what you think they are and again the victims of the attacks in iran cannot be linked to the mollah regime just because they are iranians you did the same for palestine and gazah but again you should choose to not read me as i will not change for you ... on that enjoy your freedom while it last. | |||
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Simple English. Hard Does not mean Can't Stop changing the laungaue I use and understand the words I do use. | |||
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Yet you have provided no evidence otherwise. Just saying im wrong, when you don't understand the difference in the same post, between Hard, and can't, Is not great grounds for believability. Ill make a statement. there are important differences between Gaza and Hamas and the palasinian population, And Iran, Its citizens and its regime. What is incorrect about that statement? | |||
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I doubt very much the majority of Iranian people have the same view of Israel as they had before the attacks. I base my opinion on observations of human nature over the decades: people tend to rally around their tribe when attacked by an outside party. Also, we have specific experience with this rally-around-the-tribe phenomenon in two other ME countries, Iraq and Afghanistan. Two- or three-year old articles about Iranian opinions don't carry much weight after the recent Israili attacks. | |||
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Sure. But my point is there is not a systemic hatred there. Of Israel or the west. I think Iranians will be fearful and worried and if this continues and worsens, then yes it's a very real risk. But initially what we see coming from Iran is relatively pragmatic. No mass hysteria protests against the US or Israel, Those posting to social media from Iran seem to be focussed on their govt so far. https://www.smh.com.au/world/m...20250616-p5m7uz.html | |||
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Written by a stupid, ignorant bimbo! Just goes to show how well you anything about politics! ![]() | |||
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That's nothing more than your chauvinism showing through Saeed. Every women with an opinion seems to be a Bimbo in your eyes. She spent 800 days in Iranian prison, Speaks Persian and arabic fluently and Holds a phd and lectures in Islamic studies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kylie_Moore-Gilbert I could have chosen far worse. | |||
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254 now. Israel hit an underground bunker last night and eliminated 30 high ranked military leaders. You know, Those poor civilians. Edit to add, Iranian social media post. https://t.me/VahidOnline/65999 A rough translation.
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/...e-rights-group-says/ well here are other numbers that show civilians but unless they re jews they do not count for you ééé | |||
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Yeah I read that one when you first posted it. You can take it with a grain of salt due too the numbers in the headline not adding up too the numbers in the article itself by 200 odd. You really should stop trying to tell me what I think. It just makes you look more of a fool. Your total lack of understanding of what Im saying, even when I repeat myself and spell it out for you is ridiculous. Again dickhead, show one comment I have made that values Jewish life above Persian or any other race or group. How the hell you get to such statements from my base argument that Irainians dont have a base hatred for Israel, is beyond me. | |||
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you are so much in love with israel army and usa ones that you do not see what is happening. not all the victimes of israel bombings are high end military targets nor supporters of mollah regime they are just civilian victims but you can not even see that ... the same can be said of course by the iranian bombings. i wont be here to educate you nor trying to explain you what is obvious. but again like maga supporters and followers of the cult of the supreme leader you had only insult ... i have a good comprehension of english but i cannot decipher your phrasing nor your sentences maybe you should question your way of sending messages as it is clear it is not reaching your audience ... as i already said i do not care about you and i suggested you to get some great time with naki to open your mind and heart ... as of today you are celebrating deaths in iran without knowning who they are and again it cannot be done if you were not an idiot ... | |||
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just to prove your point about poor civilians in iran showing first your bad taste and second how biaised you are but nothing new ... i kept that for posterity as you might edit your post. | |||
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Whats your address? I want to send you a dictionary. I keep asking you to show me where Ive said these things you prescribe to me. And you never do, just add more Bull shit too the pile. So go on, show me a quote where I have celebrated deaths in Iran. Now wander off and type some shit about Maga and Naki That you think is relevant to me, but has nothing to do with this thread. | |||
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on another do not tell me where i should go you re not my mom nor my dad ... there you are: Nice try. 224 people of whom it doesn't specify their links too the regime. I 254 now. Israel hit an underground bunker last night and eliminated 30 high ranked military leaders. You know, Those poor civilians. Edit to add, | |||
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No edit needed, and have you, or indeed anyone else here ever seen me edit something to change its meaning afterwards? No you havnt, because what I do is apologise if I have said or got something wrong. That post was sarcasm directed at yourself. But my bad, I should have included a emoji for you to understand. ![]() | |||
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I am sure there are collateral damage targets from the Israeli attacks. However, this certainly isn't like the WWII bombings of cities to destroy production and weapons development. Given the amount of bombing, short of 300 people killed seems pretty small overall. However, I also doubt that the Iranian people are feeling great about Israel right now. They may well lack the deep racial hatred of several nations towards Israel, but their government has been pretty strong on the propaganda and they have been international pariahs for a while. I would think that the thought that Iranians who were born before the revolution are the majority in the country anymore are able to pass on the idea that we were once a much more secular place and how free we were is likely a bit of a stretch. Heck, where I work over half of the folks were born after Regan left office and have no memory of the hostage situation there... and that's in the US where we haven't had a major war like the Iran-Iraq war that killed a bunch of folks who were born and educated before the theocracy. There has been enough mutual saber rattling between the west and Iran that I kind of doubt there is much room for contemplation there. My only hope is that Trump keeps his campaign promise and doesn't attack Iran and get us into another Middle Eastern war. Good on Israel for disrupting their nuclear weapons program, but there is only so much that can happen with killing a few scientists and military leaders. I do think its time to wind down the attacks as I doubt there is much left that bombs are going to be effective on from a weapons program standpoint unless they are willing to go to general strategic bombing. And doing that would be the end of the state of Israel in the intermediate future. | |||
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Will the “Crown Prince” (Shaw’s son) become the new leader? He is certainly making the case for it. Seems a few special birds are in the air getting close to Iran. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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he might be not welcome there as he thought ... | |||
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for those that do not believe in bad reactions from locals it might interesting to see how it went in lybia, iraq, syria or afghanistan to name a few and the 3 bombings of today will not help ... | |||
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Now it gets interesting. The reason for attacking Iran looks to be completed. Its up too the mullahs now. Retaliate against the US, Keep firing missiles at Israel. Or back down. The only excuse Israel has to continue attacking Iranian targets is continued Missile attacks on Israel. I dont think the US wishes to be any more involved than it has been, so They will only do something more if US bases or such is attacked. | |||
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Agree completely, as if I penned it myself. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Apparently the US is at war with Iran now. B2s dropped some spicey projectiles on nuke sites. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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The whiney furriners and lefties conveniently leave that little factoid out. Ilhan omar? Anyone????? | |||
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Amen! | |||
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