quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

LOL. What a load of hogwash. I am not surprised coming from you.

“”

Jesus' teaching about loving your neighbour INCLUDES race / ethnicity.

All people are God’s children Naki…that is a given.

I know that your Traditional America as it used to be "Christian" values did not include Blacks as humans, equals or neighbours.

Not in my lifetime. And as already stated and agreed upon by you…Jesus never condemned slavery…not that I am advocating for slavery. Just saying, this has little to do with Christianity. Jesus never rebuked masters for owning slaves.

Your teachings in Church even claimed that Blacks were the decendents of the murderer Cain.

I am not sure where you are coming up with this as my teaching is based solely on Scripture.

Look at what the Souther Baptist church is today - they have expelled Saddleback church because they appointed a woman pastor!

I know nothing of the Southern Baptist Church.

You claim that you hate sin and yet you consider Trump as superior to Biden, Obama etc! How can you claim that a serial philanderer, fraudster and rapist is superior to anyone else?

Let he withOUT sin cast the first stone.

Your response only confirms that you are NOT a man of FAITH but purely of Far Right POLITICAL CULTURE

Your continued attack on my faith tells me you do not even understand what it means to be of Christian faith. Maybe consider checking your eye for a plank.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

Jesus actually asked SLAVES to serve their master and MASTERS to treat slaves fairly / kindly.

Exactly as I said.

Race = ethnicity & the Good Samaritan story is my point.

The parable of the good Samaritan had nothing to do with race or ethnicity. It was about treating one’s neighbor as one would wish to be treated.

Your claims to being a Christian are purely CULTURAL and not of FAITH.

For you to even suggest such is certainly proof you don’t even understand what it means to be a Christian.

Your absolute HATRED of anything that is not Far Right is evidence.

I do not hate people. I do hate sin.


There is NO TEACHING in the Bible that supports the Far Right and its strategy of spreading falsehood to brain wash the masses.

This is a hair brain statement in itself.

You were blindly supporting Trump.

I support him as superior to the alternative.

then you defended him despite his immoral criminality. Now you are again prepared to vote for him!

And still do.

Those are NOT CHRISTIAN VALUES.

One of my points in my initial response. Jesus devolves himself almost completely of politics altogether and especially of politicians. Policy of life though He has an opinion on. He rarely chose the most saintly in man’s eye to do his work either.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Naki,
I am going to break my rule and respond to you. I have never read anything Jesus even mentioned about race except that everyone is a child of God and He loves all.

Christ does speak of servants in His words often. Never does He even rebuke the system of having servants other than to tell masters to treat their servants well.

This brings the point that God is not really worried about your position on earth. Our lives amount to milliseconds in the scheme of eternity.

Life is not meant to be easy but a test. A test in which He wants to see your work…not just the answer.

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane
You need to understand that being a Christian is spiritual experience.

Exactly

You are using your political and cultural experience to claim you are a man of faith.

Don’t know how you ever got that idea.


You say let the person who is without sin cast the first stones but you hate (hate? No) and condemn (they condemn themselves) honest Democrats (I am sure there are some…just not in politics) while defending criminal Republicans (defend the policy). Go figure. Instead of figuring…read: Luke 7:36-50

I've posted this article many times before and challenged you many times but you always duck and hide.

https://www.politicalorphans.c...icalism-is-so-cruel/

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

LOL. What a load of hogwash. I am not surprised coming from you.

“”

Jesus' teaching about loving your neighbour INCLUDES race / ethnicity.

All people are God’s children Naki…that is a given.

I know that your Traditional America as it used to be "Christian" values did not include Blacks as humans, equals or neighbours.

Not in my lifetime. And as already stated and agreed upon by you…Jesus never condemned slavery…not that I am advocating for slavery. Just saying, this has little to do with Christianity. Jesus never rebuked masters for owning slaves.

Your teachings in Church even claimed that Blacks were the decendents of the murderer Cain.

I am not sure where you are coming up with this as my teaching is based solely on Scripture.

Look at what the Souther Baptist church is today - they have expelled Saddleback church because they appointed a woman pastor!

I know nothing of the Southern Baptist Church.

You claim that you hate sin and yet you consider Trump as superior to Biden, Obama etc! How can you claim that a serial philanderer, fraudster and rapist is superior to anyone else?

Let he withOUT sin cast the first stone.

Your response only confirms that you are NOT a man of FAITH but purely of Far Right POLITICAL CULTURE

Your continued attack on my faith tells me you do not even understand what it means to be of Christian faith. Maybe consider checking your eye for a plank.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

Jesus actually asked SLAVES to serve their master and MASTERS to treat slaves fairly / kindly.

Exactly as I said.

Race = ethnicity & the Good Samaritan story is my point.

The parable of the good Samaritan had nothing to do with race or ethnicity. It was about treating one’s neighbor as one would wish to be treated.

Your claims to being a Christian are purely CULTURAL and not of FAITH.

For you to even suggest such is certainly proof you don’t even understand what it means to be a Christian.

Your absolute HATRED of anything that is not Far Right is evidence.

I do not hate people. I do hate sin.


There is NO TEACHING in the Bible that supports the Far Right and its strategy of spreading falsehood to brain wash the masses.

This is a hair brain statement in itself.

You were blindly supporting Trump.

I support him as superior to the alternative.

then you defended him despite his immoral criminality. Now you are again prepared to vote for him!

And still do.

Those are NOT CHRISTIAN VALUES.

One of my points in my initial response. Jesus devolves himself almost completely of politics altogether and especially of politicians. Policy of life though He has an opinion on. He rarely chose the most saintly in man’s eye to do his work either.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Naki,
I am going to break my rule and respond to you. I have never read anything Jesus even mentioned about race except that everyone is a child of God and He loves all.

Christ does speak of servants in His words often. Never does He even rebuke the system of having servants other than to tell masters to treat their servants well.

This brings the point that God is not really worried about your position on earth. Our lives amount to milliseconds in the scheme of eternity.

Life is not meant to be easy but a test. A test in which He wants to see your work…not just the answer.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane
You need to understand that being a Christian is spiritual experience.

Exactly

You are using your political and cultural experience to claim you are a man of faith.

Don’t know how you ever got that idea.


You say let the person who is without sin cast the first stones but you hate (hate? No) and condemn (they condemn themselves) honest Democrats (I am sure there are some…just not in politics) while defending criminal Republicans (defend the policy). Go figure. Instead of figuring…read: Luke 7:36-50

I've posted this article many times before and challenged you many times but you always duck and hide.

https://www.politicalorphans.c...icalism-is-so-cruel/

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

LOL. What a load of hogwash. I am not surprised coming from you.

“”

Jesus' teaching about loving your neighbour INCLUDES race / ethnicity.

All people are God’s children Naki…that is a given.

I know that your Traditional America as it used to be "Christian" values did not include Blacks as humans, equals or neighbours.

Not in my lifetime. And as already stated and agreed upon by you…Jesus never condemned slavery…not that I am advocating for slavery. Just saying, this has little to do with Christianity. Jesus never rebuked masters for owning slaves.

Your teachings in Church even claimed that Blacks were the decendents of the murderer Cain.

I am not sure where you are coming up with this as my teaching is based solely on Scripture.

Look at what the Souther Baptist church is today - they have expelled Saddleback church because they appointed a woman pastor!

I know nothing of the Southern Baptist Church.

You claim that you hate sin and yet you consider Trump as superior to Biden, Obama etc! How can you claim that a serial philanderer, fraudster and rapist is superior to anyone else?

Let he withOUT sin cast the first stone.

Your response only confirms that you are NOT a man of FAITH but purely of Far Right POLITICAL CULTURE

Your continued attack on my faith tells me you do not even understand what it means to be of Christian faith. Maybe consider checking your eye for a plank.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

Jesus actually asked SLAVES to serve their master and MASTERS to treat slaves fairly / kindly.

Exactly as I said.

Race = ethnicity & the Good Samaritan story is my point.

The parable of the good Samaritan had nothing to do with race or ethnicity. It was about treating one’s neighbor as one would wish to be treated.

Your claims to being a Christian are purely CULTURAL and not of FAITH.

For you to even suggest such is certainly proof you don’t even understand what it means to be a Christian.

Your absolute HATRED of anything that is not Far Right is evidence.

I do not hate people. I do hate sin.


There is NO TEACHING in the Bible that supports the Far Right and its strategy of spreading falsehood to brain wash the masses.

This is a hair brain statement in itself.

You were blindly supporting Trump.

I support him as superior to the alternative.

then you defended him despite his immoral criminality. Now you are again prepared to vote for him!

And still do.

Those are NOT CHRISTIAN VALUES.

One of my points in my initial response. Jesus devolves himself almost completely of politics altogether and especially of politicians. Policy of life though He has an opinion on. He rarely chose the most saintly in man’s eye to do his work either.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Naki,
I am going to break my rule and respond to you. I have never read anything Jesus even mentioned about race except that everyone is a child of God and He loves all.

Christ does speak of servants in His words often. Never does He even rebuke the system of having servants other than to tell masters to treat their servants well.

This brings the point that God is not really worried about your position on earth. Our lives amount to milliseconds in the scheme of eternity.

Life is not meant to be easy but a test. A test in which He wants to see your work…not just the answer.

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane you are full of BS. Ydont even understand the Bible.

More evidence you do not understand what it means to be Christian…judging others in their faith.

But alas, I have learned a valuable lesson again…refrain from arguing with a fool.

Luke 7 scripture only affirms that Democrats are redeemed by Jesus.

“”

So called white Christian evangelicals are the Pharisees who condemn liberals but are self righteous.

“”

Trump claimed that he never found the need to ask God for forgiveness.

If he said that…that was foolish. I ask God for forgiveness multiple times per day.

And you think his policies are good.

Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and give unto God what is Gods. Trump’s governmental policies were excellent and and a breath of fresh air. But that and Jesus’s teachings are separate contexts. Don’t know why you keep uniting. Jesus was uninterested in politics.

The man is known by the company he keeps. Lane you definitely e yourself by upholding and spreading the hateful (No “hate” on my part or of those whom I support.) policies of the Far Right.

I am very proud of my company (solid Christian men like JTEX and GWB among them) and my positions…thank you very much! Have a Merry Christmas Naki and rejoice in the birth of our Lord.

I am going back to my time tested proper position of ignoring you.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane
You need to understand that being a Christian is spiritual experience.

Exactly

You are using your political and cultural experience to claim you are a man of faith.

Don’t know how you ever got that idea.


You say let the person who is without sin cast the first stones but you hate (hate? No) and condemn (they condemn themselves) honest Democrats (I am sure there are some…just not in politics) while defending criminal Republicans (defend the policy). Go figure. Instead of figuring…read: Luke 7:36-50

I've posted this article many times before and challenged you many times but you always duck and hide.

https://www.politicalorphans.c...icalism-is-so-cruel/

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

LOL. What a load of hogwash. I am not surprised coming from you.

“”

Jesus' teaching about loving your neighbour INCLUDES race / ethnicity.

All people are God’s children Naki…that is a given.

I know that your Traditional America as it used to be "Christian" values did not include Blacks as humans, equals or neighbours.

Not in my lifetime. And as already stated and agreed upon by you…Jesus never condemned slavery…not that I am advocating for slavery. Just saying, this has little to do with Christianity. Jesus never rebuked masters for owning slaves.

Your teachings in Church even claimed that Blacks were the decendents of the murderer Cain.

I am not sure where you are coming up with this as my teaching is based solely on Scripture.

Look at what the Souther Baptist church is today - they have expelled Saddleback church because they appointed a woman pastor!

I know nothing of the Southern Baptist Church.

You claim that you hate sin and yet you consider Trump as superior to Biden, Obama etc! How can you claim that a serial philanderer, fraudster and rapist is superior to anyone else?

Let he withOUT sin cast the first stone.

Your response only confirms that you are NOT a man of FAITH but purely of Far Right POLITICAL CULTURE

Your continued attack on my faith tells me you do not even understand what it means to be of Christian faith. Maybe consider checking your eye for a plank.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

Jesus actually asked SLAVES to serve their master and MASTERS to treat slaves fairly / kindly.

Exactly as I said.

Race = ethnicity & the Good Samaritan story is my point.

The parable of the good Samaritan had nothing to do with race or ethnicity. It was about treating one’s neighbor as one would wish to be treated.

Your claims to being a Christian are purely CULTURAL and not of FAITH.

For you to even suggest such is certainly proof you don’t even understand what it means to be a Christian.

Your absolute HATRED of anything that is not Far Right is evidence.

I do not hate people. I do hate sin.


There is NO TEACHING in the Bible that supports the Far Right and its strategy of spreading falsehood to brain wash the masses.

This is a hair brain statement in itself.

You were blindly supporting Trump.

I support him as superior to the alternative.

then you defended him despite his immoral criminality. Now you are again prepared to vote for him!

And still do.

Those are NOT CHRISTIAN VALUES.

One of my points in my initial response. Jesus devolves himself almost completely of politics altogether and especially of politicians. Policy of life though He has an opinion on. He rarely chose the most saintly in man’s eye to do his work either.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Naki,
I am going to break my rule and respond to you. I have never read anything Jesus even mentioned about race except that everyone is a child of God and He loves all.

Christ does speak of servants in His words often. Never does He even rebuke the system of having servants other than to tell masters to treat their servants well.

This brings the point that God is not really worried about your position on earth. Our lives amount to milliseconds in the scheme of eternity.

Life is not meant to be easy but a test. A test in which He wants to see your work…not just the answer.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
This is all fascinating but to just cut to the chase....does anybody really think that Jesus would vote for trump?

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
This is all fascinating but to just cut to the chase....does anybody really think that Jesus would vote for trump?

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

ME says I am a Christian Nationalist…so I must be.

I am Christian.

quote:

na·tion·al·ist
/ˈnaSH(ə)nələst/
noun
a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

And by definition I am a Nationalist.

So I guess I agree with him.

Therefore, by definition, I am not a traitor or seditionist.

But anyone who can support Democratic Party executive control does hate Traditional America. Thus I question who the traitors are.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Repeat.

Anyone who doesn’t take every possible action to keep executive control out of the hands of the Democratic Party is the dumbest son of a bitch in the USA. Plumb stupid as they say in Texas.

quote:

Freedom from religion - to me that implies that the people are guaranteed the right to not be ‘exposed’ to religion in common public areas…

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

More than half of Republicans support Christian nationalism, according to a new survey

FEBRUARY 14, 20235:00 AM ET

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

More than half of Republicans support Christian nationalism, according to a new survey

FEBRUARY 14, 20235:00 AM ET

Let's be honest - more than half of Americans are some form of Christian - and even some dems, too

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Freedom from religion - to me that implies that the people are guaranteed the right to not be ‘exposed’ to religion in common public areas…

That, IMO, is not accurate.

"Exposed" is such a benign word, when we're talking about Christian Nationalists. "Forced" is the correct word.

The problem is, as I see it, give the zealots an inch and they want a mile.

Where is the line drawn?

The religious zealots definitely draw it in a different place than those who appreciate that the govt. and the institutions thereof are secular, or ought to be. I don't have a problem with the 10 commandments, in context. I do have a problem with them when they are substituted for or conflated with the Constitution.

What's the point of displaying the 10 commandments in a govt facility other than putting religion in the face of others who don't want that?

There is some good information in the 10 Commandments. I think a courthouse is an excellent spot to distribute that info. To know not only the law watches could sink in and be preventive…much better than retribution occurring after the fact at the courthouse.

They are historical in nature and a basis for modern law.

Now I ask…what do they hurt? The answer of course is not a darn thing! Are they different than “in God we trust” on currency? An angel atop a public Christmas tree?

That's not the exercise of "freedom of religion", but instead it's tromping on the freedom from religion, especially in the context of a secular government, and appreciation thereof.

There was NO freedom from religion intended. One has the right to walk by and not read which is freedom of religion. There presence caused no harm. If they helped one person not do more crimes…seems worth it to me.

"Freedom of Religion" is NOT the right to impose religion, nationally, at your will. Likewise, secularists have no right to expect or impose "free from religion" nationally.

That's the way the Founders intended it.

Respect it. That's all.

These last 4 lines…I basically agree with.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

The religious zealots definitely draw it in a different place than those who appreciate that the govt. and the institutions thereof are secular, or ought to be. I don't have a problem with the 10 commandments, in context. I do have a problem with them when they are substituted for or conflated with the Constitution.

What's the point of displaying the 10 commandments in a govt facility other than putting religion in the face of others who don't want that?

There is some good information in the 10 Commandments. I think a courthouse is an excellent spot to distribute that info. To know not only the law watches could sink in and be preventive…much better than retribution occurring after the fact at the courthouse.

They are historical in nature and a basis for modern law.

Now I ask…what do they hurt? The answer of course is not a darn thing! Are they different than “in God we trust” on currency? An angel atop a public Christmas tree?

That's not the exercise of "freedom of religion", but instead it's tromping on the freedom from religion, especially in the context of a secular government, and appreciation thereof.

There was NO freedom from religion intended. One has the right to walk by and not read which is freedom of religion. There presence caused no harm. If they helped one person not do more crimes…seems worth it to me.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

The religious zealots definitely draw it in a different place than those who appreciate that the govt. and the institutions thereof are secular, or ought to be. I don't have a problem with the 10 commandments, in context. I do have a problem with them when they are substituted for or conflated with the Constitution.

What's the point of displaying the 10 commandments in a govt facility other than putting religion in the face of others who don't want that?

There is some good information in the 10 Commandments. I think a courthouse is an excellent spot to distribute that info. To know not only the law watches could sink in and be preventive…much better than retribution occurring after the fact at the courthouse.

They are historical in nature and a basis for modern law.

Now I ask…what do they hurt? The answer of course is not a darn thing! Are they different than “in God we trust” on currency? An angel atop a public Christmas tree?

That's not the exercise of "freedom of religion", but instead it's tromping on the freedom from religion, especially in the context of a secular government, and appreciation thereof.

There was NO freedom from religion intended. One has the right to walk by and not read which is freedom of religion. There presence caused no harm. If they helped one person not do more crimes…seems worth it to me.

The courthouse is a place for administering the secular rule of law. The Founders saw the necessity of separation of church and state which is why the Constitution is secular. The ten commandments are not secular. The intent in displaying them in a secular court is to conflate church and state. It is not an innocent intent nor stand alone.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

More than half of Republicans support Christian nationalism, according to a new survey

FEBRUARY 14, 20235:00 AM ET

Let's be honest - more than half of Americans are some form of Christian - and even some dems, too

quote:

Seven in ten Americans (70%) identify as Christian, including more than four in ten who identify as white Christian and more than one-quarter who identify as Christian of color. Nearly one in four Americans (23%) are religiously unaffiliated, and 5% identify with non-Christian religions.[1]

quote:

I am very proud of my company (solid Christian men like JTEX and GWB among them) and my positions…thank you very much! Have a Merry Christmas Naki and rejoice in the birth of our Lord. Smiler

I am going back to my time tested proper position of ignoring you. Wink