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Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m inclined to think it wasn’t asphyxiation but rather prolonged carotid artery occlusion which invariably leads to loss of consciousness. Death follows if the occlusion continues. He was choked out, then died when blood flow to the brain was blocked for another 2-3 minutes.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m inclined to think it wasn’t asphyxiation but rather prolonged carotid artery occlusion which invariably leads to loss of consciousness. Death follows if the occlusion continues. He was choked out, then died when blood flow to the brain was blocked for another 2-3 minutes.

Well, a doctor opines and let me just ask you Doc Dollar. Do you have an opinion about whether Mr. Floyd would have just dropped dead during his police detention in the absence of a cop standing on his neck for ten minutes?

I get it if you don't have an opinion you want to express. But, it sounds like you have.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m inclined to think it wasn’t asphyxiation but rather prolonged carotid artery occlusion which invariably leads to loss of consciousness. Death follows if the occlusion continues. He was choked out, then died when blood flow to the brain was blocked for another 2-3 minutes.

Well, a doctor opines and let me just ask you Doc Dollar. Do you have an opinion about whether Mr. Floyd would have just dropped dead during his police detention in the absence of a cop standing on his neck for ten minutes?

I get it if you don't have an opinion you want to express. But, it sounds like you have.

No, I seriously doubt he would have dropped dead. I think carotid artery occlusion for a prolonged time did him in, no doubt exacerbated by his underlying hypertensive cardiac disease and drugs in his system. Choke holds generally don’t leave much in the way of autopsy findings as the person is not choked with anterior and posterior pressure with resulting hyoid bone fracture. The carotids are located on the side of the neck, about where Chauvin’s knee was placed. If you shut off cerebral blood flow from one side, as with a knee on the neck, it’s going to take a while to affect cerebral circulation because of collateral blood flow from the other carotid and from the vertebral arteries. That’s probably why he didn’t lose consciousness right away. The end result though is sudden, partial carotid occlusion is likely to kill someone with an already compromised heart condition. I do agree that if Floyd had complied, he would probably still be alive- until the next drug deal went bad.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
And I’m still trying to figure out how Lane called a Carlson Twitter monologue an interview.An interview requires 2 people.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
And I’m still trying to figure out how Lane called a Carlson Twitter monologue an interview.An interview requires 2 people.

Im surprised that anyone would take it as anything other than National Enquirer style entertainment, it certainly isn't journalism.

Twitter has become the home of fake news.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
And I’m still trying to figure out how Lane called a Carlson Twitter monologue an interview.An interview requires 2 people.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I’m inclined to think it wasn’t asphyxiation but rather prolonged carotid artery occlusion which invariably leads to loss of consciousness. Death follows if the occlusion continues. He was choked out, then died when blood flow to the brain was blocked for another 2-3 minutes.

Well, a doctor opines and let me just ask you Doc Dollar. Do you have an opinion about whether Mr. Floyd would have just dropped dead during his police detention in the absence of a cop standing on his neck for ten minutes?

I get it if you don't have an opinion you want to express. But, it sounds like you have.

No, I seriously doubt he would have dropped dead. I think carotid artery occlusion for a prolonged time did him in, no doubt exacerbated by his underlying hypertensive cardiac disease and drugs in his system. Choke holds generally don’t leave much in the way of autopsy findings as the person is not choked with anterior and posterior pressure with resulting hyoid bone fracture. The carotids are located on the side of the neck, about where Chauvin’s knee was placed. If you shut off cerebral blood flow from one side, as with a knee on the neck, it’s going to take a while to affect cerebral circulation because of collateral blood flow from the other carotid and from the vertebral arteries. That’s probably why he didn’t lose consciousness right away. The end result though is sudden, partial carotid occlusion is likely to kill someone with an already compromised heart condition. I do agree that if Floyd had complied, he would probably still be alive- until the next drug deal went bad.

Fair enough. Complied in what way? Not having a cop leaning on him for ten minutes?

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Originally posted by skb:
Murder is not part of the job description of a LEO.

Get a clue Lane, Floyd was not a threat.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
And I’m still trying to figure out how Lane called a Carlson Twitter monologue an interview.An interview requires 2 people.

Did you watch it? There were 2 people.

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I was outraged. I don’t think anyone can view the video and objectively come to any other conclusion but that it was an act of murder. And I felt that initially, as everyone did and it’s so disturbing. And, you know, the underlying issues beneath that are something that the country is now struggling with. And I think it’s something we have to look at very soberly and with a lot of empathy. And I’m glad to see that’s happening around the country.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
America still a free country Mike. You can see it how you want.

My intellect can stand on it own feet. Not worried about how a born-again liberal views me.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

What about your moral compass?

You posted on "evil" and yet you support the evil of trump and the MAGA crowd.

You do not follow the teachings of Jesus and refuse to accept that he was a radical Liberal.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
America still a free country Mike. You can see it how you want.

My intellect can stand on it own feet. Not worried about how a born-again liberal views me.

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Originally posted by Bivoj:
I can’t believe we defend stupid criminals who won stupid prizes

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by Bivoj:
I can’t believe we defend stupid criminals who won stupid prizes

And yet here we are, watching you and Lane defend a convicted murderer

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
It is not true that Jesus did not care about the ways of man. The Gospels are nothing but Jesus rebuking the pharisees and sadducees for their ways and corruption. Corruption at the expense of souls, the Kingdom of Heaven (Not Israel), and non-Jews.

Poor choice of words on my part. I should have used "conform."

Jesus was God made flesh, but it is clear Jesus was able to insect God’s Will perfectly. Jesus was an independent being from God, begotten solely of God.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
It is not true that Jesus did not care about the ways of man. The Gospels are nothing but Jesus rebuking the pharisees and sadducees for their ways and corruption. Corruption at the expense of souls, the Kingdom of Heaven (Not Israel), and non-Jews.

Poor choice of words on my part. I should have used "conform."

Jesus was God made flesh, but it is clear Jesus was able to insect God’s Will perfectly. Jesus was an independent being from God, begotten solely of God.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Naki,
Jesus was God’s Spirit in human form on earth. He was neither radical liberal or far-right conservative…He was correct. He was God imparting to man as to how man should interact with one another. He revealed His commitment through death and His authenticity through resurrection.

Jesus was humble and simple. He worried not about the ways of man but tried to lead man by example. Nothing radical through His simplicity. For the most part He was soft spoken, reserved, and thoughtful when He did speak. As to liberalism…He walked a narrow down the middle. He spoke of turning the other cheek, yet confirmed He was not here to change the old laws but fulfill them. He advocated generosity to the poor but also taught his disciples that if you don’t work you don’t eat.

Thus, my reading teaches me that Jesus was a simple quiet conservative man (actually the living Spirit of God) that advocated grace, generosity, and forgiveness to others.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

What about your moral compass?

You posted on "evil" and yet you support the evil of trump and the MAGA crowd.

You do not follow the teachings of Jesus and refuse to accept that he was a radical Liberal.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
America still a free country Mike. You can see it how you want.

My intellect can stand on it own feet. Not worried about how a born-again liberal views me.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Lane

That is blasphemy.

Do you not believe in the Trinity. One God, 3 in 1?

Jesus is both man and God. So also the Holy Spurit is both Spirit and God.

You cannot go to the Father without the Son.

That^^^is exactly what I said. Yes, I believe in the Holy Trinity.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
It is not true that Jesus did not care about the ways of man. The Gospels are nothing but Jesus rebuking the pharisees and sadducees for their ways and corruption. Corruption at the expense of souls, the Kingdom of Heaven (Not Israel), and non-Jews.

Poor choice of words on my part. I should have used "conform."

Jesus was God made flesh, but it is clear Jesus was able to insect God’s Will perfectly. Jesus was an independent being from God, begotten solely of God.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
And I’m still trying to figure out how Lane called a Carlson Twitter monologue an interview.An interview requires 2 people.

Did you watch it? There were 2 people.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
And I’m still trying to figure out how Lane called a Carlson Twitter monologue an interview.An interview requires 2 people.

Did you watch it? There were 2 people.

I watched the first 4 minutes of Carlson spouting unsubstantiated bullshit, then quit. You originally said he spoke very little, just asked questions. I guess that happened later…