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Whoever wrote this is right. Suitable lesson for all of us.

From David J Harris Jr. FB page:


A moderate Democrat shared this: It’s INCREDIBLE…

My liberal friends are completely oblivious about how radicalizing the last week has been for tens of millions of normal Americans. Zero clue.

I’m not talking about people who are “online”; I mean regular, everyday Americans. “Normies.” People who scroll through Facebook posts and Instagram reels from the Dutch Bros drive thru line. Political moderates who have water cooler chats about Mahomes touchdowns and Bon Jovi concerts, not Twitter threads or Rachel Maddow monologues.

Millions of them. Tens of millions. They’re logging on, they’re engaging, and they’re furious.

And I’ll be candid: They blame you guys. They blame the left.

Regardless of whether you believe it to be justified, they think you’re the bad guys here. And they are reacting accordingly.

I can already hear some of you racing toward the comments to start screeching in moral indignation, so I’m going to be blunt: Shut up and listen to what I’m telling you. Your movement will lose any semblance of relevance if you don’t develop some small measure of self-awareness, and—absent someone force-feeding you bitter medicine—you guys collectively lack the humility to do this on your own.

Here are the facts:

Fact 1. Tens of millions of Americans started the week seeing a 23-year-old blonde woman—a young woman in whom virtually every parent watching pictured their own daughter—stabbed in the neck by a career criminal. These people then found out the murderer had been released from jail 14 times over.

Fact 2. Two days later, tens of millions of Americans watched a video of Charlie Kirk get murdered speaking to college students. Millions of these people knew who Charlie was; millions of them didn’t. Upon seeing the video, however, these normal Americans from across the land and across the political spectrum agreed that he was the victim of a terrible, fundamentally unjustifiable crime, and their hearts broke in sympathy for his family. Good people who had never even heard the name Charlie Kirk before wept.

Fact 3. Immediately after seeing the footage of a peaceful young man get shot in the neck, these same people logged onto Facebook and Instagram (remember, we are talking about regular Americans, not perpetually online Twitter or Bluesky users) and saw some of their local nurses, school teachers, college administrators, and retail workers celebrating this horrific crime. Not just defending it, but cheering it.
These are all facts. You may not like the implications of these facts, and we can certainly debate the underlying causes thereof, but, indisputably, they are nevertheless factual statements.

Here’s what it means for you, the Democrats reading this:

These normal, middle-of-the-road, non-political citizens just become politically active. They realized that politics cares about them, even if they don’t particularly care about politics. After watching Iryna Zarutska and Charlie Kirk both bleed out from the neck, they think their lives and the physical safety of their families—the bedrock of human society, the foundation of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs—depend on political activation, whether they desire it or not.

These people are now sprinting—not jogging, not walking, but racing—to the right. Because they blame you guys for everything that just happened.

When they see footage of Decarlos Brown stabbing a Ukrainian refugee to death, they don’t see just one demon-possessed man. They picture every university administrator, HR bureaucrat, and DEI apparatchik that ever lectured them about systemic racism, the “carceral state,” or the need to release violent crime suspects without bail in the name of social justice.

They then think back to conversations they’ve had with their cop friends—their buddy from high school who quit the force after getting tired of being called a racist, their friend at the local YMCA who vents about having to release career criminals because Soros-funded prosecutors aren’t willing to file charges—and they realize everything the left has told them over the last five years has been utter bullshit.

And they blame you. Because, even if you count yourself as a moderate Democrat, your party supported the district attorneys, city council members, and mayors that let fictitious concerns about mental health and racial justice supersede very real concerns for their family’s safety.
When these Americans see blood erupt from the side of Charlie Kirk’s neck, they don’t see just a martyred political activist. They think of every extreme leftist they’ve ever met who (1) calls anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton a fascist and (2) constantly jokes—“jokes”—about punching Nazis and “bashing the fash.”

They realize that there really do exist people who wish to see them dead for their moderately conservative political beliefs, their Christian faith, and even the color of their skin. They ask themselves if the violence visited upon Charlie might one day show up on their own doorstep.

And they blame you. Because, even if you’re just a center-of-the-road liberal, you lacked the courage to police your own ranks. You let modern-day Maoist red guards run loose across every facet of society, and what started with social-media struggle sessions has now turned to 30-06 bullet holes.

When these Americans log onto social media and see their neighbors justifying, celebrating, glorifying murder, they realize that some who walk among them are soulless ghouls at best, literally demon-possessed at worst. These people—whether they faithfully attend church every Sunday or only attend with relatives once a year, on Christmas Eve—start talking about things like spiritual warfare. They implicitly understand that no normal human casually celebrates the mortal demise of a peaceful person.

And they blame you. Because, even if you condemned Charlie Kirk’s murder, they probably haven’t seen you condemn those in your own movement who cheered it on. They view you as complicit in allowing heartless fellow travelers to celebrate death, and it repulses them.
For all of these situations, what has your response been? Nothing but bullshit.

In response to Iryna Zarutska bleeding out on the floor of a train, you post bullshit statistics about reductions in reported crime, when everyone who’s ever been to a major urban center in the last decade knows that actual crime has skyrocketed, only for victims not to waste their time reporting it to cops that don’t have the manpower to respond and prosecutors that seek to downgrade as many felonies as possible to misdemeanor citations.
In response to a 31-year-old man taking a bullet to the neck in front of his family, you post nothing but bullshit whataboutism.

> “What about January 6th?” (Honest answer: After you let Liz Cheney spend two years operating a star chamber in the House, combined with countless other failed attempts at “lawfare” against Trump, no one cares anymore.)

> “What about Mike Lee making a dumb joke on Twitter about some guy in a mask in Minnesota?” (No one outside of Utah, DC, or Twitter knows who Mike Lee even is.)

> “What about Paul Pelosi?” (That’s not comparable to Charlie Kirk getting shot, and we all know it. And, again, Paul who?)

> “What about regulations on assault rifles?” (That’s not going to get you very far when one of these killers used a knife and the other one used a common hunting rifle.)

In response to teachers, healthcare workers, and thousands of other liberals cheering on Charlie’s murder, it’s nothing but more bullshit and misdirection.

> “It’s not THAT many people celebrating!” (Yes, it is. Everyone has seen it on their Facebook and Instagram feeds.)

> “I thought you guys didn’t support cancel culture.” (We don’t cancel people over their opinions; we’re more than happy to see people lose their jobs—especially their taxpayer-funded jobs—for actively cheering on murder, though. If you can’t see the difference, that’s your own shortcoming.)

All bullshit. Not even smart bullshit, but stale, mid-grade, low-IQ bullshit. Ordinary Americans see right through it, and they don’t like how it smells.

You probably don’t like hearing this. But you need to hear it.

Because I’m right, and, as you reflect on this, you know I’m right. The ranks of my political movement gained millions of righteously angry new members this week. We have a mandate to ensure these crimes never happen again, and that’s exactly what we are now going to do.

If you want to keep a seat at the table as we do so, you’d better clean house and start policing your own.


~Ann


 
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I wonder if MK Ultra was to blame Ann?
 
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I wonder if MK Ultra was to blame Ann?


Not looking like that so far. Just typical spoiled leftist radicalization.


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And yet you were full of excuses for the MAGA supporting murderer who killed the MN politicians.

Par for the course.
 
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No, I wasn't. I have never condoned nor celebrated the murder of anyone.

Hey, how's those tariffs helping you?


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No, I wasn't. I have never condoned nor celebrated the murder of anyone.

Hey, how's those tariffs helping you?


How classy, gloating over someone's business troubles.

Typical MAGA.

Can you go lower?
 
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Because I’m right, and, as you reflect on this, you know I’m right. The ranks of my political movement gained millions of righteously angry new members this week. We have a mandate to ensure these crimes never happen again, and that’s exactly what we are now going to do.

If you want to keep a seat at the table as we do so, you’d better clean house and start policing your own.


I don't believe for a second that Ann's claim the author is a moderate liberal.

The author himself clears that up in his last two paragraphs.

However, I think he's right about something and wrong about something.

I think he's correct about liberals in general not getting it - not realizing the righteous rage and hate Kirk's shooting let loose, and also oblivious to the fact that Trump is inflaming it.

I think he's wrong about so many liberals cheering the death. I haven't seen that and can't imagine it. I don't know of any such depravity.

I tried to confirm the claim but didn't find confirmation. We certainly don't see it herein. I think what many radicalized Rightists are doing is conflating someone's criticism of Kirk's ideas and the radical reactions to those ideas and especially his death, as attacking Kirk personally. The radical Rightists take it personal, like they themselves are being attacked personally, when really it's criticism and expression of ideas.

I did find one credible article on the topic:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/0...cX1fD&smid=url-share

Right-Wing Activists Urge Followers to Expose Those Celebrating Kirk Killing
The widespread and fast-moving campaign has already resulted in lost jobs, suspensions and internal investigations, heightening tensions online between supporters and detractors of Charlie Kirk.

By Alan FeuerKen Bensinger and Pooja Salhotra
Sept. 12, 2025

In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, right-wing influencers and at least one Trump administration official have actively encouraged people to scour the internet for remarks celebrating the killing and to expose those who have posted them online.

The widespread and fast-moving campaign of naming-and-shaming has already resulted in countless lost jobs, professional suspensions and internal investigations, exacerbating the already fraught tensions over the shooting that exist online.

The killing of Mr. Kirk, a hugely popular activist closely aligned with President Trump, was immediately met on the right by a tidal wave of grief-stricken rage on Wednesday afternoon — one that quickly turned into a thirst for vengeance. Several online social media personalities, some with enormous followings, called almost in unison for “war” to be waged against those on the left they perceive to be their enemies.

Among those personalities have been far-right agitators like Laura Loomer and Chaya Raichik, who runs a large account on X called Libs of TikTok. Since the shooting, they and dozens of other online influencers have taken it upon themselves to recruit ordinary Americans to turn in fellow citizens for making comments about Mr. Kirk that may be nasty or disparaging, but are likely protected by the First Amendment.

But while the exposures may occur online, there have been consequences in the real world.

A Secret Service employee was placed on administrative leave after stating on Facebook that Mr. Kirk had “spewed hate and racism on his show,” said the agency’s spokesman, Anthony Guglielmi. The leaders of the Education Departments in Florida and Oklahoma both issued statements threatening to investigate and punish teachers who made any positive comments about the assassination, and some teachers in Texas and Iowa were either fired or placed on leave.

After Michael Mann, a prominent climate scientist who works at the University of Pennsylvania, reposted a message referring to Mr. Kirk as the “head of Trump’s Hitler Youth,” Dave McCormick, the state’s Republican senator, called it “despicable” and urged the university to “take immediate, decisive action.”

“It is very disappointing that Senator McCormick has misportrayed me in this way, let alone made such inflammatory demands,” Mr. Mann wrote in an email. He said he had deleted the post and had publicly disavowed the negative comments about Mr. Kirk, which he had initially overlooked. “I was not criticizing Charlie Kirk,” Mr. Mann added. “I was criticizing those who were lionizing him as a paragon of free speech and good-faith discourse.”

Rose Pugliese, a Colorado state lawmaker who is a Republican, asked Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, on Thursday to fire a state employee who had accused Mr. Kirk online of being “a white man who spews horrid” words “against every marginalized community.”

Representative Clay Higgins, Republican of Louisiana, said that he planned to use “Congressional authority” to force tech companies to “ban for life” any person who “belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk.” And John C. Phelan, the secretary of the Navy, posted a message saying that sailors or Marines found to be “displaying contempt toward a fellow American who was assassinated” would be “dealt with swiftly and decisively.”

Leaders of other branches of the armed forces posted similar messages.

Tim Weninger, a professor at the University of Notre Dame who studies the ways social media is used to dehumanize people and incite violence, described the targeting campaign as a new front in online rhetoric.

“I haven’t seen something like this on social media in America, really ever — it’s a unique moment,” he said.

He characterized the purge as a kind of backlash to the escalating violent rhetoric online over the past several years.

“What we are seeing is that people say it’s enough of this, it has to stop,” Mr. Weninger said. “And if you lose your job because of comments you made celebrating the killing, that’s a consequence of your speech.”

The attention brought to those attacking Mr. Kirk has come not only from big social media accounts, but also from dozens of smaller ones that have joined in the effort with a kind of gleeful energy.


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

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2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

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3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

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"Turning the tide"

My first thought, reading the heading, was Red Tide.

I see the irony, but Ann wouldn't post about that.

How is Florida fighting red tide?

https://www.google.com/search?...DKWuW2D9hcRI&csuir=1

I see analogy and irony in the comparison.

The literal Red Tide is mitigated with some science, tech, and the nutrient sources.

The metaphorical Red Tide can maybe be mitigated likewise.


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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What's wrong with you? I made no claims to the author, I posted where it came from and who said it. Try to keep up. Do work on your reading comprehension too.


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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
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Because I’m right, and, as you reflect on this, you know I’m right. The ranks of my political movement gained millions of righteously angry new members this week. We have a mandate to ensure these crimes never happen again, and that’s exactly what we are now going to do.

If you want to keep a seat at the table as we do so, you’d better clean house and start policing your own.


I don't believe for a second that Ann's claim the author is a moderate liberal.

The author himself clears that up in his last two paragraphs.

However, I think he's right about something and wrong about something.

I think he's correct about liberals in general not getting it - not realizing the righteous rage and hate Kirk's shooting let loose, and also oblivious to the fact that Trump is inflaming it.

I think he's wrong about so many liberals cheering the death. I haven't seen that and can't imagine it. I don't know of any such depravity.

I tried to confirm the claim but didn't find confirmation. We certainly don't see it herein. I think what many radicalized Rightists are doing is conflating someone's criticism of Kirk's ideas and the radical reactions to those ideas and especially his death, as attacking Kirk personally. The radical Rightists take it personal, like they themselves are being attacked personally, when really it's criticism and expression of ideas.

I did find one credible article on the topic:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/0...cX1fD&smid=url-share

Right-Wing Activists Urge Followers to Expose Those Celebrating Kirk Killing
The widespread and fast-moving campaign has already resulted in lost jobs, suspensions and internal investigations, heightening tensions online between supporters and detractors of Charlie Kirk.

By Alan FeuerKen Bensinger and Pooja Salhotra
Sept. 12, 2025

In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, right-wing influencers and at least one Trump administration official have actively encouraged people to scour the internet for remarks celebrating the killing and to expose those who have posted them online.

The widespread and fast-moving campaign of naming-and-shaming has already resulted in countless lost jobs, professional suspensions and internal investigations, exacerbating the already fraught tensions over the shooting that exist online.

The killing of Mr. Kirk, a hugely popular activist closely aligned with President Trump, was immediately met on the right by a tidal wave of grief-stricken rage on Wednesday afternoon — one that quickly turned into a thirst for vengeance. Several online social media personalities, some with enormous followings, called almost in unison for “war” to be waged against those on the left they perceive to be their enemies.

Among those personalities have been far-right agitators like Laura Loomer and Chaya Raichik, who runs a large account on X called Libs of TikTok. Since the shooting, they and dozens of other online influencers have taken it upon themselves to recruit ordinary Americans to turn in fellow citizens for making comments about Mr. Kirk that may be nasty or disparaging, but are likely protected by the First Amendment.

But while the exposures may occur online, there have been consequences in the real world.

A Secret Service employee was placed on administrative leave after stating on Facebook that Mr. Kirk had “spewed hate and racism on his show,” said the agency’s spokesman, Anthony Guglielmi. The leaders of the Education Departments in Florida and Oklahoma both issued statements threatening to investigate and punish teachers who made any positive comments about the assassination, and some teachers in Texas and Iowa were either fired or placed on leave.

After Michael Mann, a prominent climate scientist who works at the University of Pennsylvania, reposted a message referring to Mr. Kirk as the “head of Trump’s Hitler Youth,” Dave McCormick, the state’s Republican senator, called it “despicable” and urged the university to “take immediate, decisive action.”

“It is very disappointing that Senator McCormick has misportrayed me in this way, let alone made such inflammatory demands,” Mr. Mann wrote in an email. He said he had deleted the post and had publicly disavowed the negative comments about Mr. Kirk, which he had initially overlooked. “I was not criticizing Charlie Kirk,” Mr. Mann added. “I was criticizing those who were lionizing him as a paragon of free speech and good-faith discourse.”

Rose Pugliese, a Colorado state lawmaker who is a Republican, asked Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, on Thursday to fire a state employee who had accused Mr. Kirk online of being “a white man who spews horrid” words “against every marginalized community.”

Representative Clay Higgins, Republican of Louisiana, said that he planned to use “Congressional authority” to force tech companies to “ban for life” any person who “belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk.” And John C. Phelan, the secretary of the Navy, posted a message saying that sailors or Marines found to be “displaying contempt toward a fellow American who was assassinated” would be “dealt with swiftly and decisively.”

Leaders of other branches of the armed forces posted similar messages.

Tim Weninger, a professor at the University of Notre Dame who studies the ways social media is used to dehumanize people and incite violence, described the targeting campaign as a new front in online rhetoric.

“I haven’t seen something like this on social media in America, really ever — it’s a unique moment,” he said.

He characterized the purge as a kind of backlash to the escalating violent rhetoric online over the past several years.

“What we are seeing is that people say it’s enough of this, it has to stop,” Mr. Weninger said. “And if you lose your job because of comments you made celebrating the killing, that’s a consequence of your speech.”

The attention brought to those attacking Mr. Kirk has come not only from big social media accounts, but also from dozens of smaller ones that have joined in the effort with a kind of gleeful energy.


~Ann


 
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Just as classy as the crap you claim I say. Bet your bluesky account gushes with joy over the situation.


Be a prick, expect to be treated like one. While I doubt it, I hope you get the point.


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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
No, I wasn't. I have never condoned nor celebrated the murder of anyone.

Hey, how's those tariffs helping you?


How classy, gloating over someone's business troubles.

Typical MAGA.

Can you go lower?


~Ann


 
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The chances that you are present on "X" or "Truth" are much greater than those that I am on "Bluesky".

I'm not overjoyed in the least that Charlie Kirk was murdered, nobody deserves that for political views. I have stated that several times.

I'm not seeing Charlie as a hero or a martyr though, just another "influencer" who got rich over his divisive viewpoints, no better or worse than Maddow, just different.

You know all about being a prick Ann, a remarkable accomplishment for a lady such as yourself. Pun intended.

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Because I’m right, and, as you reflect on this, you know I’m right. The ranks of my political movement gained millions of righteously angry new members this week. We have a mandate to ensure these crimes never happen again, and that’s exactly what we are now going to do.

If you want to keep a seat at the table as we do so, you’d better clean house and start policing your own.


I don't believe for a second that Ann's claim the author is a moderate liberal.

The author himself clears that up in his last two paragraphs.

However, I think he's right about something and wrong about something.

I think he's correct about liberals in general not getting it - not realizing the righteous rage and hate Kirk's shooting let loose, and also oblivious to the fact that Trump is inflaming it.

I think he's wrong about so many liberals cheering the death. I haven't seen that and can't imagine it. I don't know of any such depravity.

I tried to confirm the claim but didn't find confirmation. We certainly don't see it herein. I think what many radicalized Rightists are doing is conflating someone's criticism of Kirk's ideas and the radical reactions to those ideas and especially his death, as attacking Kirk personally. The radical Rightists take it personal, like they themselves are being attacked personally, when really it's criticism and expression of ideas.

I did find one credible article on the topic:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/0...cX1fD&smid=url-share

Right-Wing Activists Urge Followers to Expose Those Celebrating Kirk Killing
The widespread and fast-moving campaign has already resulted in lost jobs, suspensions and internal investigations, heightening tensions online between supporters and detractors of Charlie Kirk.

By Alan FeuerKen Bensinger and Pooja Salhotra
Sept. 12, 2025

In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, right-wing influencers and at least one Trump administration official have actively encouraged people to scour the internet for remarks celebrating the killing and to expose those who have posted them online.

The widespread and fast-moving campaign of naming-and-shaming has already resulted in countless lost jobs, professional suspensions and internal investigations, exacerbating the already fraught tensions over the shooting that exist online.

The killing of Mr. Kirk, a hugely popular activist closely aligned with President Trump, was immediately met on the right by a tidal wave of grief-stricken rage on Wednesday afternoon — one that quickly turned into a thirst for vengeance. Several online social media personalities, some with enormous followings, called almost in unison for “war” to be waged against those on the left they perceive to be their enemies.

Among those personalities have been far-right agitators like Laura Loomer and Chaya Raichik, who runs a large account on X called Libs of TikTok. Since the shooting, they and dozens of other online influencers have taken it upon themselves to recruit ordinary Americans to turn in fellow citizens for making comments about Mr. Kirk that may be nasty or disparaging, but are likely protected by the First Amendment.

But while the exposures may occur online, there have been consequences in the real world.

A Secret Service employee was placed on administrative leave after stating on Facebook that Mr. Kirk had “spewed hate and racism on his show,” said the agency’s spokesman, Anthony Guglielmi. The leaders of the Education Departments in Florida and Oklahoma both issued statements threatening to investigate and punish teachers who made any positive comments about the assassination, and some teachers in Texas and Iowa were either fired or placed on leave.

After Michael Mann, a prominent climate scientist who works at the University of Pennsylvania, reposted a message referring to Mr. Kirk as the “head of Trump’s Hitler Youth,” Dave McCormick, the state’s Republican senator, called it “despicable” and urged the university to “take immediate, decisive action.”

“It is very disappointing that Senator McCormick has misportrayed me in this way, let alone made such inflammatory demands,” Mr. Mann wrote in an email. He said he had deleted the post and had publicly disavowed the negative comments about Mr. Kirk, which he had initially overlooked. “I was not criticizing Charlie Kirk,” Mr. Mann added. “I was criticizing those who were lionizing him as a paragon of free speech and good-faith discourse.”

Rose Pugliese, a Colorado state lawmaker who is a Republican, asked Gov. Jared Polis, a Democrat, on Thursday to fire a state employee who had accused Mr. Kirk online of being “a white man who spews horrid” words “against every marginalized community.”

Representative Clay Higgins, Republican of Louisiana, said that he planned to use “Congressional authority” to force tech companies to “ban for life” any person who “belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk.” And John C. Phelan, the secretary of the Navy, posted a message saying that sailors or Marines found to be “displaying contempt toward a fellow American who was assassinated” would be “dealt with swiftly and decisively.”

Leaders of other branches of the armed forces posted similar messages.

Tim Weninger, a professor at the University of Notre Dame who studies the ways social media is used to dehumanize people and incite violence, described the targeting campaign as a new front in online rhetoric.

“I haven’t seen something like this on social media in America, really ever — it’s a unique moment,” he said.

He characterized the purge as a kind of backlash to the escalating violent rhetoric online over the past several years.

“What we are seeing is that people say it’s enough of this, it has to stop,” Mr. Weninger said. “And if you lose your job because of comments you made celebrating the killing, that’s a consequence of your speech.”

The attention brought to those attacking Mr. Kirk has come not only from big social media accounts, but also from dozens of smaller ones that have joined in the effort with a kind of gleeful energy.



I dont know where you are not looking, But there are clips, videos and written posts all over twitter cheering his murder.

And they are being used to stoke people against the left by the worst of the right.
Hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate.
 
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I think he's wrong about so many liberals cheering the death. I haven't seen that and can't imagine it. I don't know of any such depravity.

I tried to confirm the claim but didn't find confirmation.


then you are COLLOSAL idiot -- utterly incapable of even entering a simple web search

with you profound bias, i am SHCKED that your algorithm isn't feeding you this crap non-stop

"we got charlie in the neck" being sung by liberals
10s of people being fired over atrocious comments about this, especially in media, government, and education

the "#trumpnext" trending

who ties your shoes?


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I said on another thread.
CNN showed social media posts of who should be next.
Trump of course.
Joe Walsh
Joe Rogan
Others, I dont remember.
I asked and no-one answered, What has Joe Rogan done that the left thinks he should be murdered?
 
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Platformed people from the right.
 
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Bertram,

I stopped feeling sorry for your business troubles let's say, as of today. Your constant attacks every time I participate on the ARPF have been far too many. You've earned my dislike. Go to hell.


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The chances that you are present on "X" or "Truth" are much greater than those that I am on "Bluesky".

I'm not overjoyed in the least that Charlie Kirk was murdered, nobody deserves that for political views. I have stated that several times.

I'm not seeing Charlie as a hero or a martyr though, just another "influencer" who got rich over his divisive viewpoints, no better or worse than Maddow, just different.

You know all about being a prick Ann, a remarkable accomplishment for a lady such as yourself. Pun intended.

Steve


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I dont know where you are not looking, But there are clips, videos and written posts all over twitter cheering his murder.

And they are being used to stoke people against the left by the worst of the right.
Hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate.


I avoid twitter, FB, etc.

I figure the algorithm out there in cyberspace must be filtering that crap out, since I don't go there. Or at least it's not filtering it in. I don't even like to do a search on that.

Of course your second paragraph is correct.

As I said, some of the rage is because of conflation of so-deemed cheering with criticism of ideas.

IMO, that's characteristic of Rightists since their self-ID is such. It's not just an idea but an ideology. Criticizing their ideas is the same as an attack on them personally.

The liberals I know, read and respect wouldn't cheer this tragedy, nor those as a consequence.


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Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

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After Kirk's killing a growing chorus of conservatives wants his critics ostracized or fired
Story by JOSH BOAK and NICHOLAS RICCARDI • 21m • 5 min read


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https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Jeffe,

He sees them. Clearly doesn't want to admit its happening.


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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

I think he's wrong about so many liberals cheering the death. I haven't seen that and can't imagine it. I don't know of any such depravity.

I tried to confirm the claim but didn't find confirmation.


then you are COLLOSAL idiot -- utterly incapable of even entering a simple web search

with you profound bias, i am SHCKED that your algorithm isn't feeding you this crap non-stop

"we got charlie in the neck" being sung by liberals
10s of people being fired over atrocious comments about this, especially in media, government, and education

the "#trumpnext" trending

who ties your shoes?


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"she" - ask her about her toy collection - and ideation of violating people with them -


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Jeffe,

He sees them. Clearly doesn't want to admit its happening.



As I said, I don't SEE them.

But I indirectly acknowledged them by posting the article from NYT, for example.

The NYT didn't get obnoxious about it, in my face, they just reported it and the reactions.

I think my saying if it's happening, it's wrong, that's enough.

I also think the hate and rage filled reactions are wrong.

What I SEE is a lot of companies, orgs, etc. pushing back on anything from some people deemed "cheering".

I also SEE pushing, back and forward, from the Right to include their hate and rage, in the National Face, and exclude moderation.


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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I dont know where you are not looking, But there are clips, videos and written posts all over twitter cheering his murder.

And they are being used to stoke people against the left by the worst of the right.
Hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate.


I avoid twitter, FB, etc.

I figure the algorithm out there in cyberspace must be filtering that crap out, since I don't go there. Or at least it's not filtering it in. I don't even like to do a search on that.

Of course your second paragraph is correct.

As I said, some of the rage is because of conflation of so-deemed cheering with criticism of ideas.

IMO, that's characteristic of Rightists since their self-ID is such. It's not just an idea but an ideology. Criticizing their ideas is the same as an attack on them personally.

The liberals I know, read and respect wouldn't cheer this tragedy, nor those as a consequence.



Im kind of sick of the excuses.

You said.

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I tried to confirm the claim but didn't find confirmation. We certainly don't see it herein. I think what many radicalized Rightists are doing is conflating someone's criticism of Kirk's ideas and the radical reactions to those ideas and especially his death, as attacking Kirk personally. The radical Rightists take it personal, like they themselves are being attacked personally, when really it's criticism and expression of ideas.


Now you are saying you avoid searching for the information.

So you decided to deny a claim by closing your eyes and pronouncing it untrue.

And then doubled down on the character of rightists, when the subject is the extreme left doing exactly that too a guy who discussed ideas.
 
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Jeffe,

He sees them. Clearly doesn't want to admit its happening.



As I said, I don't SEE them.

But I indirectly acknowledged them by posting the article from NYT, for example.

The NYT didn't get obnoxious about it, in my face, they just reported it and the reactions.

I think my saying if it's happening, it's wrong, that's enough.

I also think the hate and rage filled reactions are wrong.

What I SEE is a lot of companies, orgs, etc. pushing back on anything from some people deemed "cheering".

I also SEE pushing, back and forward, from the Right to include their hate and rage, in the National Face, and exclude moderation.


so, thanks for clearing that up, maggie - you are a venal liar, incapable of telling any story with facts, but full of spin, and ignoring the actual truth -

you don't "see" them, and are trying to be all slick willie about the definition - -

you are SCUM .. incapable of telling the truth, and a highly untrustable source --

thanks for clearing all that up


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I did a search, as I recall; Is the left cheering Kirk's death?

I shared my results, and chose the NYT article, as explained above.

BTW, your hate and rage is showing, and blinding you.


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https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Did you shut your eyes agin?

Where's my hate and rage? Or is it you just dont like the truth.

Here's some more. On this forum 300shooter called Kirks wife a cunt last night. How's that discussing ideas?
Where's your condemnation?

Is that rage?
 
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I did a search, as I recall; Is the left cheering Kirk's death?

I shared my results, and chose the NYT article, as explained above.

BTW, your hate and rage is showing.


yes, i can't stand a biased liar - thanks for noticing you have grossly crossed lines...

watched any SNL lately?


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oh, honey, i caught your posted before you edited it

if you cover your eyes, you can't see the bad man .. it's okay, baby ... go play with your toys


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https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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but you didn't maggie -- you read them, posted, then revised your post to pretend you didn't see it, but read it enough to know it was "rage and hate" --

as i said
venal liar and scum


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https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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sure thing, David Parker Ray




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Did you shut your eyes agin?

Where's my hate and rage? Or is it you just dont like the truth.

Here's some more. On this forum 300shooter called Kirks wife a cunt last night. How's that discussing ideas?
Where's your condemnation?

Is that rage?


I don't read every post herein, so I didn't see that inappropriate name calling.

What if I criticized her worldview?

OH wait - I already did that in another thread.

Does that stir your rage?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
quote:
Originally posted by JTEX:


The only lens that the left uses for interpretation is ideology and hate.

That's why they loathe Charlie Kirk, he inspired thought through open debate.

They fear this!!!!!



The linked video posted below supersedes all interpretation, with one caveat. She uses the term "Evil Doers", instead of one, but plural. The implication is clear.

Did his death really expose the truth about what and who he inspired?

Was he really about thought and open debate?

Indirectly, Charlie Kirk and his legacy can be interpreted by actually seeing who he inspired, their passions and hate, etc. It's about what's behind and beyond his smile.

It all makes it clear that fear is not a loose thing, but real and intended, targeted, by by both sides. It's either a core or projected or inflicted. A tool or an ID.

We can make inferences of Charlie Kirk's worldview from those he inspired, through their interpretations, such as JTEX.

Good is inspirational. So is evil. But, can evil inspire good? It can in good people, but it's just affirmation in evil people.

https://youtu.be/G_vMPg8AsAA?s...sV800uc5pE_eVz&t=315 (started at 5:15)

'You have no idea what you have unleashed,' Erika Kirk says after husband's killing

==================================================

Then there's the question - can good inspire evil?

Let me answer that indirectly.

People, bunched up, riled up, cheering each other on, affirming each other's hate, while claiming God is on their side, well, we know how that works out.

But when the same bunch also knows that Trump is on their side, and inspired by that fact, well, that is still in motion.

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Just so you know, through example, of what I'm talking about:

Did the southern slave owners claim God is on our side?

AI Overview
Yes, Southern slave owners frequently claimed that God was on their side and used a twisted version of Christianity to justify slavery. They framed their cause as a righteous, God-ordained system that provided both moral and religious benefits. This ideology was heavily promoted by Southern preachers and theologians, who provided the religious and biblical arguments to support the practice.

Key religious justifications included:
The Curse of Ham:

Interpreters used a biblical story from Genesis about Noah cursing his son, Ham, and his descendants. They falsely claimed that this curse created a lineage of Black people who were divinely destined for servitude.

Bible passages on servitude:
Pro-slavery advocates cited several verses from both the Old and New Testaments that appeared to condone or regulate slavery. For instance, they pointed to passages in Ephesians and Colossians where Paul instructs slaves to "obey your earthly masters". However, this interpretation ignored the historical context of Roman-era servitude, which was not the same as the race-based chattel slavery of the American South.

"Benevolent" paternalism:
Some slave owners viewed themselves as benevolent stewards, asserting that it was their Christian duty to care for a supposedly inferior race. They argued that slavery removed Africans from "pagan" lands and introduced them to the gospel. Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens declared in his "Cornerstone Speech" that the Confederacy was built on the "great truth" that Black people were not equal to white people and that slavery was their natural and moral condition.

Profit as divine blessing:
Some Southern clergy argued that God was blessing the region with prosperity through cash crops like cotton, and they connected this wealth directly to divine favor. This helped slaveholders justify their economic system and ignore its brutally exploitative nature.

Institutional alignment: The religious establishment in the South lent its full support to this narrative. The Southern Baptist Convention, for example, was founded in 1845 specifically after breaking away from northern Baptists over the issue of slavery.

This religious rhetoric was a central part of Southern secessionist ideology and continued even after the Civil War to justify white supremacy and segregation.


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Did the KKK claim God was on their side?

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

AI Overview
Yes, the Ku Klux Klan has repeatedly and explicitly claimed that God is on its side and has used religious rhetoric to justify its racist agenda. The Klan has long framed its white supremacist and nationalist goals as a "holy crusade" or a divine mission ordained by God.

Key facts about the KKK's use of religious claims include:

"Holy Crusade": The Klan has historically framed its efforts as a "holy crusade" to "regenerate the white race," presenting itself as a religious entity dedicated to God's will.

Divine Racial Distinction: Klan ideology asserted that racial differences were not accidental but "designed" by God, justifying their quest to preserve what they considered to be a divine racial and social order.

Selective Biblical Interpretation: The Klan used a practice called "racial exegesis" to interpret the Bible through a lens of racial discrimination and hate. For example, some leaders taught that the Bible was the family history of the white race and that white Christians were morally and spiritually superior to others.
1920s Religious Nationalism: During the rise of the second KKK in the 1920s, the organization successfully promoted a brand of religious nationalism that combined white supremacy with a narrow, exclusionary view of Protestant Christianity.

Preaching Hate: The Klan has historically recruited and used pastors to spread its message, using religious venues and symbols, including the burning cross, to convey its ideology of hate.

Continued Rhetoric: This religious rhetoric is not confined to the past. As recently as 2018, a white supremacist group with links to the Klan asserted in a newspaper that "Our King and leader is God Almighty, and our doctrine is the Holy Bible. God is on our side".


And here's a post by 300shooter, quoting me:

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Originally posted by 300shooter:
quote:
Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

These are results for did Charlie Kirk claim there should be no distinction between church and state

AI Overview
Yes, Charlie Kirk did claim there should be no distinction between church and state, stating in 2022 that the separation of church and state was a "fabrication". His views on the matter have evolved, with his earlier stance supporting the separation.

Earlier view (2018)
In 2018, Kirk stated that "we do have a separation of church and state" and that "we should support that".

During this time, he advocated for a "secular worldview" in politics, criticizing attempts by the evangelical right to impose Christian morality through government policy.

Shift in position (post-2019)
Kirk's views shifted dramatically starting in late 2019, influenced by his increasing involvement with religious leaders and the embrace of Christian nationalist ideology.

By 2022, he openly reversed his position, declaring on his podcast, "There is no separation of church and state... It's a fabrication. It's a fiction. It's not in the Constitution. It's made up by secular humanists".

Connection to Christian nationalism
Kirk's current position is aligned with Christian nationalism, the belief that Christians should dominate government and other areas of American life.

He is known for promoting the "Seven Mountain Mandate," a dominionist theology that encourages Christians to take control of key societal spheres, including government, media, and education.

In 2021, he founded TPUSA Faith to "eliminate wokeism from the American pulpit" and galvanize Christian political activism.

===============================================================

https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...tionalism-rcna156565

Charlie Kirk once pushed a 'secular worldview.' Now he's fighting to make America Christian again.
In 2018, Kirk urged conservative Christians to respect the separation of church and state. Today, he calls that foundational principle “a fabrication.”

June 12, 2024, 5:00 AM EDT / Updated June 12, 2024, 1:33 PM EDT
By Mike Hixenbaugh and Allan Smith


While amassing a $100 million fortune....


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“Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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You can’t be that dumb.

You continually watch YouTube and google leftist point of view items and them repost them.

You continually check AI responses.

Sir, the algorithm is very solidl locked in on you and feeds you your self affirmation. It’s how google (who owns utube if you didnt know that) works and makes its money with targeted ads.

Frankly, I must look at non conservative content a fair amount given the amount of left wing spam google gives me.

Frankly, look at the comments on the media sources that allow them. Both sides extremes are well represented.

I don’t buy you are not seeing it, you are just not acknowledging it and claim ignorance by your “the liberals I know, read, and respect would never cheer this”

I agree that the more mainstream ones are not encouraging this, especially after the consequences of advocating it are out there (see Dowd).

Just like I clearly see some rightists posting desire to start violence on their side as a “response”.


QUOTE]Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
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Originally posted by shankspony:

I dont know where you are not looking, But there are clips, videos and written posts all over twitter cheering his murder.

And they are being used to stoke people against the left by the worst of the right.
Hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate.


I avoid twitter, FB, etc.

I figure the algorithm out there in cyberspace must be filtering that crap out, since I don't go there. Or at least it's not filtering it in. I don't even like to do a search on that.

Of course your second paragraph is correct.

As I said, some of the rage is because of conflation of so-deemed cheering with criticism of ideas.

IMO, that's characteristic of Rightists since their self-ID is such. It's not just an idea but an ideology. Criticizing their ideas is the same as an attack on them personally.

The liberals I know, read and respect wouldn't cheer this tragedy, nor those as a consequence.[/QUOTE]
 
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Doc, I simply look for truth.

Deciphering truth from BS is fun to me, or at least satisfying.

Call it affirmation if you wish.


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Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

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Bertram,

I stopped feeling sorry for your business troubles let's say, as of today. Your constant attacks every time I participate on the ARPF have been far too many. You've earned my dislike. Go to hell.


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The chances that you are present on "X" or "Truth" are much greater than those that I am on "Bluesky".

I'm not overjoyed in the least that Charlie Kirk was murdered, nobody deserves that for political views. I have stated that several times.

I'm not seeing Charlie as a hero or a martyr though, just another "influencer" who got rich over his divisive viewpoints, no better or worse than Maddow, just different.

You know all about being a prick Ann, a remarkable accomplishment for a lady such as yourself. Pun intended.

Steve


You were not attacked, your viewpoint was challenged though.

Tough out there in the adult world.

Keep it Classy.....
 
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You can’t be that dumb.

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Frankly, look at the comments on the media sources that allow them. Both sides extremes are well represented.

I don’t buy you are not seeing it, you are just not acknowledging it and claim ignorance by your “the liberals I know, read, and respect would never cheer this”

I agree that the more mainstream ones are not encouraging this, especially after the consequences of advocating it are out there (see Dowd).

Just like I clearly see some rightists posting desire to start violence on their side as a “response”.



As I said, I don't intentionally look at the media sources that allow them.

I acknowledged it indirectly by posting the two articles, one being the NYT.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but IMO the mainstream sources I frequent seem to have changed their presentations a bit. They have adopted a more fair and balanced tone and encouraged Rightists' voice. I think that's good.

Of course I can't say whether it's because of past consequences, or realizing the potential for future consequences, or just simply trying to honor ethical, truthful journalism. Likely, it's all.

To understand and see what I mean, see the clipped video above of Erica Kirks message. Note the hosts of the broadcast didn't critique her vows or interpret as I did. They left that up to the audience. And they didn't censor or hype Mrs. Kirk's comments.


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Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Originally posted by crbutler:
You can’t be that dumb.

...

Frankly, look at the comments on the media sources that allow them. Both sides extremes are well represented.

I don’t buy you are not seeing it, you are just not acknowledging it and claim ignorance by your “the liberals I know, read, and respect would never cheer this”

I agree that the more mainstream ones are not encouraging this, especially after the consequences of advocating it are out there (see Dowd).

Just like I clearly see some rightists posting desire to start violence on their side as a “response”.



As I said, I don't intentionally look at the media sources that allow them.

I acknowledged it indirectly by posting the two articles, one being the NYT.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but IMO the mainstream sources I frequent seem to have changed their presentations a bit. They have adopted a more fair and balanced tone and encouraged reasonable Rightists' voice. I think that's good.

Of course I can't say whether it's because of past consequences, or realizing the potential for future consequences, or just simply trying to honor ethical, truthful journalism. Likely, it's all.

To understand and see what I mean, see the clipped video above of Erica Kirks message. Note the hosts of the broadcast didn't critique her vows or interpret as I did. They left that up to the audience. And they didn't censor Mrs. Kirk's comments.


oh, honey, you cite youtube and wikipedia and msnbc all the time - don't be coy, cowardly scum


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https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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