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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Ignored post by jeffeosso posted 15 September 2025 00:49

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Ignored (disengaged) post by jeffeosso posted 15 September 2025 01:15

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Ignored (disengaged) post by jeffeosso posted 15 September 2025 01:15

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Originally posted by crbutler:
You can’t be that dumb.

You continually watch YouTube and google leftist point of view items and them repost them.

You continually check AI responses.

Sir, the algorithm is very solidl locked in on you and feeds you your self affirmation. It’s how google (who owns utube if you didnt know that) works and makes its money with targeted ads.

Frankly, I must look at non conservative content a fair amount given the amount of left wing spam google gives me.

Frankly, look at the comments on the media sources that allow them. Both sides extremes are well represented.

I don’t buy you are not seeing it, you are just not acknowledging it and claim ignorance by your “the liberals I know, read, and respect would never cheer this”

I agree that the more mainstream ones are not encouraging this, especially after the consequences of advocating it are out there (see Dowd).

Just like I clearly see some rightists posting desire to start violence on their side as a “response”.


QUOTE]Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

I dont know where you are not looking, But there are clips, videos and written posts all over twitter cheering his murder.

And they are being used to stoke people against the left by the worst of the right.
Hate breeds hate breeds hate breeds hate.

I avoid twitter, FB, etc.

I figure the algorithm out there in cyberspace must be filtering that crap out, since I don't go there. Or at least it's not filtering it in. I don't even like to do a search on that.

Of course your second paragraph is correct.

As I said, some of the rage is because of conflation of so-deemed cheering with criticism of ideas.

IMO, that's characteristic of Rightists since their self-ID is such. It's not just an idea but an ideology. Criticizing their ideas is the same as an attack on them personally.

The liberals I know, read and respect wouldn't cheer this tragedy, nor those as a consequence.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Did you shut your eyes agin?

Where's my hate and rage? Or is it you just dont like the truth.

Here's some more. On this forum 300shooter called Kirks wife a cunt last night. How's that discussing ideas?
Where's your condemnation?

Is that rage?

I don't read every post herein, so I didn't see that inappropriate name calling.

What if I criticized her worldview?

OH wait - I already did that in another thread.

Does that stir your rage?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by JTEX:


The only lens that the left uses for interpretation is ideology and hate.

That's why they loathe Charlie Kirk, he inspired thought through open debate.

They fear this!!!!!

The linked video posted below supersedes all interpretation, with one caveat. She uses the term "Evil Doers", instead of one, but plural. The implication is clear.

Did his death really expose the truth about what and who he inspired?

Was he really about thought and open debate?

Indirectly, Charlie Kirk and his legacy can be interpreted by actually seeing who he inspired, their passions and hate, etc. It's about what's behind and beyond his smile.

It all makes it clear that fear is not a loose thing, but real and intended, targeted, by by both sides. It's either a core or projected or inflicted. A tool or an ID.

We can make inferences of Charlie Kirk's worldview from those he inspired, through their interpretations, such as JTEX.

Good is inspirational. So is evil. But, can evil inspire good? It can in good people, but it's just affirmation in evil people.

https://youtu.be/G_vMPg8AsAA?s...sV800uc5pE_eVz&t=315 (started at 5:15)

'You have no idea what you have unleashed,' Erika Kirk says after husband's killing

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Then there's the question - can good inspire evil?

Let me answer that indirectly.

People, bunched up, riled up, cheering each other on, affirming each other's hate, while claiming God is on their side, well, we know how that works out.

But when the same bunch also knows that Trump is on their side, and inspired by that fact, well, that is still in motion.

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Just so you know, through example, of what I'm talking about:

Did the southern slave owners claim God is on our side?

AI Overview
Yes, Southern slave owners frequently claimed that God was on their side and used a twisted version of Christianity to justify slavery. They framed their cause as a righteous, God-ordained system that provided both moral and religious benefits. This ideology was heavily promoted by Southern preachers and theologians, who provided the religious and biblical arguments to support the practice.

Key religious justifications included:
The Curse of Ham:

Interpreters used a biblical story from Genesis about Noah cursing his son, Ham, and his descendants. They falsely claimed that this curse created a lineage of Black people who were divinely destined for servitude.

Bible passages on servitude:
Pro-slavery advocates cited several verses from both the Old and New Testaments that appeared to condone or regulate slavery. For instance, they pointed to passages in Ephesians and Colossians where Paul instructs slaves to "obey your earthly masters". However, this interpretation ignored the historical context of Roman-era servitude, which was not the same as the race-based chattel slavery of the American South.

"Benevolent" paternalism:
Some slave owners viewed themselves as benevolent stewards, asserting that it was their Christian duty to care for a supposedly inferior race. They argued that slavery removed Africans from "pagan" lands and introduced them to the gospel. Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens declared in his "Cornerstone Speech" that the Confederacy was built on the "great truth" that Black people were not equal to white people and that slavery was their natural and moral condition.

Profit as divine blessing:
Some Southern clergy argued that God was blessing the region with prosperity through cash crops like cotton, and they connected this wealth directly to divine favor. This helped slaveholders justify their economic system and ignore its brutally exploitative nature.

Institutional alignment: The religious establishment in the South lent its full support to this narrative. The Southern Baptist Convention, for example, was founded in 1845 specifically after breaking away from northern Baptists over the issue of slavery.

This religious rhetoric was a central part of Southern secessionist ideology and continued even after the Civil War to justify white supremacy and segregation.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Did the KKK claim God was on their side?

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

AI Overview
Yes, the Ku Klux Klan has repeatedly and explicitly claimed that God is on its side and has used religious rhetoric to justify its racist agenda. The Klan has long framed its white supremacist and nationalist goals as a "holy crusade" or a divine mission ordained by God.

Key facts about the KKK's use of religious claims include:

"Holy Crusade": The Klan has historically framed its efforts as a "holy crusade" to "regenerate the white race," presenting itself as a religious entity dedicated to God's will.

Divine Racial Distinction: Klan ideology asserted that racial differences were not accidental but "designed" by God, justifying their quest to preserve what they considered to be a divine racial and social order.

Selective Biblical Interpretation: The Klan used a practice called "racial exegesis" to interpret the Bible through a lens of racial discrimination and hate. For example, some leaders taught that the Bible was the family history of the white race and that white Christians were morally and spiritually superior to others.
1920s Religious Nationalism: During the rise of the second KKK in the 1920s, the organization successfully promoted a brand of religious nationalism that combined white supremacy with a narrow, exclusionary view of Protestant Christianity.

Preaching Hate: The Klan has historically recruited and used pastors to spread its message, using religious venues and symbols, including the burning cross, to convey its ideology of hate.

Continued Rhetoric: This religious rhetoric is not confined to the past. As recently as 2018, a white supremacist group with links to the Klan asserted in a newspaper that "Our King and leader is God Almighty, and our doctrine is the Holy Bible. God is on our side".

And here's a post by 300shooter, quoting me:

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Originally posted by 300shooter:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

These are results for did Charlie Kirk claim there should be no distinction between church and state

AI Overview
Yes, Charlie Kirk did claim there should be no distinction between church and state, stating in 2022 that the separation of church and state was a "fabrication". His views on the matter have evolved, with his earlier stance supporting the separation.

Earlier view (2018)
In 2018, Kirk stated that "we do have a separation of church and state" and that "we should support that".

During this time, he advocated for a "secular worldview" in politics, criticizing attempts by the evangelical right to impose Christian morality through government policy.

Shift in position (post-2019)
Kirk's views shifted dramatically starting in late 2019, influenced by his increasing involvement with religious leaders and the embrace of Christian nationalist ideology.

By 2022, he openly reversed his position, declaring on his podcast, "There is no separation of church and state... It's a fabrication. It's a fiction. It's not in the Constitution. It's made up by secular humanists".

Connection to Christian nationalism
Kirk's current position is aligned with Christian nationalism, the belief that Christians should dominate government and other areas of American life.

He is known for promoting the "Seven Mountain Mandate," a dominionist theology that encourages Christians to take control of key societal spheres, including government, media, and education.

In 2021, he founded TPUSA Faith to "eliminate wokeism from the American pulpit" and galvanize Christian political activism.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...tionalism-rcna156565

Charlie Kirk once pushed a 'secular worldview.' Now he's fighting to make America Christian again.
In 2018, Kirk urged conservative Christians to respect the separation of church and state. Today, he calls that foundational principle “a fabrication.”

June 12, 2024, 5:00 AM EDT / Updated June 12, 2024, 1:33 PM EDT
By Mike Hixenbaugh and Allan Smith

While amassing a $100 million fortune....

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