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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
The “leeway” is what gets you in trouble. Someone has to decide where the leeway is. Who decides? You? The pregnant lady in Montana who has been raped?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Some leeway? So, we agree God allows for culture.

I don’t agree on the word culture…at least by the general definition…as a basis for His leeway. God allowed for development but on His foundation based on erudition.

In the face of no direct prohibition against homosexuality found in the New Testament, you are comfortable arguing a “Scripture based” objection to Marriage Equality based on an Old Testament prohibition.

When the cultural reasons for what you continue to call an abomination no longer exist.

If God wanted to continue the Prohibition against homosexual relationships, he would have expressed so as he did in the Old Testament. At least, he has allowed culture to define the gaps in what he did not spell out.

See Schrodinger’s two response directly above this post. They are spot on.

Who decides the leeway? When your objection is based on your reading of Scripture, the person does and not the State.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

Not arguing in regards to rape.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
I used a particularly heinous example to dramatically make the point that you are making subjective assessments and wanting to foist those on others.

Another example of the subjective nature of God’s dictates is one of the bedrocks of your beliefs is that commandment: “Thou shall not kill.”

Clearly, you find exceptions to this edict. You support defending your house against an invader, defending one’s country and capital punishment. I understand that you “interpret” certain passages in the Bible allowing for certain exceptions, but that Commandment sounds perfectly clear. Only four words. And, by the way, it doesn’t state “thou shall not murder’ as you stated above.

It’s tough standing in a bowl of grape jello, particularly when a wind picks up, isn’t it?

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So line drawing is okay so long as it is your line that is the one everyone else has to use?

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
Lane, I feel that I should say that I’m not challenging your right to believe as you will or even Christianity. Truth is that I don’t really have any answers to these fundamental questions.

Maybe we are looking at a single multifaceted die: One face may be Islam, another Christianity and so on.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I have read similar to Lane’s article before.

This actually makes abortion more within the permissible range under biblical law.

You can argue relative position with regards to the fetus and the mother’s rights and remove murder from the equation.

I tend to hold towards if the conception was not a willing act on the part of the parents, then an argument can be made for abortion.

If the mother’s life is at stake, it’s self defense and not murder.

But a willing relationship (ie consensual sex) where the parties knowingly refused to use birth control is not acceptable.

How to write the law to reflect that… well, that’s a problem.

Time frames, etc are more about viability in my opinion from a medical end, but also speak about consensual nature.

It’s a difficult area, morally. I can certainly see where folks object to public funding for use as an on demand birth control option.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
The question is: Where does the moral code that you live by, come from?.

For Lane, it is the Bible. I think that it has been shown is this thread, that Christians modify that code to accommodate the particular time they live in.

I don’t necessarily agree to that. There were things in the Bible that were guidelines and foundations laid and there are unmodifiable hardlines. It takes study to sort them out and I suspect that too was by design.

For others, they live by a more humanistic code. The problem with this is that there is no ultimate moral authority, just what a particular individual in a particular culture elects to believe.

Both approaches are unsettling and less than satisfactory.

Maybe there is no moral authority, but these rules we choose to live by are merely dictates constructed by a culture to protect the culture. If one follows the Ten Commandments it protects the members of the culture. Yet it has to be modified to protect the culture, for example if you have a neighboring tribe that is invading.

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
Someone on here would say love they neighbor as thyself-------unless your neighbor is a democrat.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
The “leeway” is what gets you in trouble. Someone has to decide where the leeway is. Who decides? You? The pregnant lady in Montana who has been raped?

Not arguing in regards to rape.

The vast majority of of the ~40 million per year have zero to do with rape or the health of the mother.

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Makes a huge difference. Since, murder is a legal term

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You do not get to decide who is a true follower of Jesus.

I don’t want to and have never tried nor will I.

However it is established fact that Jesus taught to bad/evil. A Christian (in the purest sense) is a believer/follower/student of Christ. No bad can become of that in itself.

A true follower of Jesus is still human, sinful as any sinner,

Agreed

and the person (natural human) will have no place in Heaven.

You lost me here.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
You don’t seem to understand that goi g to church on most sundays and claiming to be a Christian, makes a Christian.

Hopefully a typo here^^^

It’s not exactly like joining a union.

I have a good understanding of the how-to

Most so-called Christian’s are phony sons of bitches that are too damn dumb to walk the walk.

Do you have a hangover this morning?

It’s absolutely mind boggling to see one that claims to be a follower of Jesus yet votes for Donald Trump. It doesn’t mesh.

If you studied the Bible and had a decent understanding of it…it would not be hard to understand.

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It’s absolutely mind boggling to see one that claims to be a follower of Jesus yet votes for Donald Trump. It doesn’t mesh.

If you studied the Bible and had a decent understanding of it…it would not be hard to understand.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You do not get to decide who is a true follower of Jesus.

I don’t want to and have never tried nor will I.

However it is established fact that Jesus taught to bad/evil. A Christian (in the purest sense) is a believer/follower/student of Christ. No bad can become of that in itself.

A true follower of Jesus is still human, sinful as any sinner,

Agreed

and the person (natural human) will have no place in Heaven.

You lost me here.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You do not get to decide who is a true follower of Jesus.

I don’t want to and have never tried nor will I.

However it is established fact that Jesus taught to bad/evil. A Christian (in the purest sense) is a believer/follower/student of Christ. No bad can become of that in itself.

A true follower of Jesus is still human, sinful as any sinner,

Agreed

and the person (natural human) will have no place in Heaven.

You lost me here.

It is simple. God is a spirit. The part of humanity that is part of Hod is the soul. This Earth, this flesh is not going to Heaven.

I thought that might be where you were going and you are correct.

There is nothing of Earth that will be there. We are not going to Heaven to see dad and mom, hunt hundredweight pound elephants, or whatever earthly fantasy you think you will get to enjoy.

Suffice it to say you have no idea.

I don’t know either…nor anyone else — part of the mystery of faith.

But, God did make man in his own image.

We are going to to engage in perfect communion with God.

This part is true.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
What does that have to do with this conversation.

You can stop talking to me as a child.

I do have an idea. I have state it. Jesus said no women, man, husband, wife, in Heaven.

This earth and the things of it are going away.

This body is going to be transformed into a perfect being as stated on the New Testament.

This earth is not going to Heaven.

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:
perhaps-
just perhaps-
IF you could begin to write as an comprehensible adult--

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Heaven sounds like a boring place. No sex, hunting, or flyfishing?

I bet most of the interesting people are in the other place.