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Since ME has a thread expounding the evilness of Christians…I thought maybe we could make a list of the evil things Jesus teaches. Maybe ME will go first. For the life of me…I can’t think of a single one!  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | ||
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I'll go first and goodness! Where to begin? "Evil" I'm not sure I have a handle on, but disagreed with in modern culture i think I can see several. The Golden Rule. Today the point is, the victory seems to be found in demonizing others, villianizing your neighbor. "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you." The parable of the speck and the log. And not directly from Jesus, but,..... The Fruits of the Spirit, Love, Peace, Joy, Kindness,...... again very unpopular in modern times. | |||
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The biggest evil that Christians commit, and they do it with some regularity is through hubris demanding that people do as they say cloaked by the authority of Christ (while not actually following his word.) Hypocrisy is common in the higher levels of the churches. True, the evil is not true Christianity, but the folks doing it SAY they are. Look up some of the multimillionare megachurch pastors/evangelists. | |||
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And note that when called on it, many resort to claiming "I am not perfect, and God loves me anyway!" while making no attempt to correct the fault. | |||
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The OP asks^^^ Meaning what evil, bad, or harmful things does Jesus teach man to do? So far the things listed are man’s imperfection of following Christ. Let’s say man followed Christ’s teachings to the letter. How would these hypothetic perfect followers hurt others or do harm? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I agree the teachings are not the problem. I’m not anti Christian or anti religious, but I can see some who I think embarrass me to be around. Note your definition includes “one who professes”, ie the followers. Yes, that is a problem. Now, God isn’t the problem, but man is imperfect, and religion is a creature of man… so demanding people follow something is somewhat perilous if you claim that God ordains it when it’s actually your faulty understanding. I try and do as best I can, but I’m not going to say I lead a divinely inspired life… I see waay too many issues within myself to say “act like me!” | |||
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I think we can safely say that the absolute pursuance of the teachings of Jesus is not bad. Yes, man can bastardize anything but men following the true teachings of Jesus leads only to good. This^^^is what I am driving at. Dispute??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I expounded on the social and cultural issues that are a consequence of and directly derived from Christianity. I did not presume or claim that Christianity is evil. Same for those whom I accused. I did not measure such deviant against the teachings of Jesus. Just like I wouldn't second guess God's Will. HTF do I know, and how arrogant? I just looked at human behavior - period. I just know that the consequence of Trumpism, for example, and nationalisms based in religious belief, and attributed to Jesus, for example, are a strong indicator that man is not just flawed, but something else. IMO, the pure teachings of Jesus is an abstract because it's subjective and no one can actually do it in a pure way. No one. If it were so, then only good would ensue, and we know that's not the case throughout history. At the least, we would have examples of pure good, directly attributable to following the teachings of Jesus. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I just looked at human behavior - period. You should know that I associate the word "evil" with the concept of the devil. I'm agnostic about the devil too. Prove there is or isn't a devil. I'm not going to argue with you about your beliefs specifically. They are what they are. Just like I wouldn't argue with the concept of God's Will. I will argue with human interpretation of it, and consequenses. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Whatever it was that Jesus said that leads Christian nationalists to interfere in the lives of others. | |||
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Jesus did not teach a political philosophy or ideology. Jesus did not concern himself with the Civil Government. It is not what Jesus taught that is bad. It is what Political Evangelicals wish to manipulate those teachings into a civil moral code enforced by the Government that is bad. | |||
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Jesus said to spread the gospel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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By force? | |||
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So, can we all agree that Jesus taught only good. Thus, studying and following the teachings of Christ cannot be a bad thing. And therefore the label Christian itself “should” carry the connotation of good but in least it is not bad. Agreed??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Of course not. No argument for that from me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Except for abortion. | |||
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Abortion is killing another human without giving them a voice. I would think even a compassionate atheist could understand how that is not just. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You ought to understand that there are people who just as passionately believe a fetus is not a person. Personally, I'm not one of them. I'm on the fence as to the moral aspects of abortion. But I don't believe the law should be the morality police, as if we were Iran. | |||
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No one is arguing a fetus is not alive. The argument is when should the fetus trump the agency and chose of the carrier. Most around the club agree that six weeks and no exceptions are not reasonable. Jesus also said nothing about it while affirming the law of Moses on Divorce, rejecting marriage, and generally not carrying what the civil government was. Because he did not care. His goals were much bigger. The folks like you crucified him over it. If he had been the Jesus then that you want now, the Jewish hierarchy would not have delivered him. He rejected them and the idea of a new David creating the kingdom on Earth. | |||
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You do not get through the endorsement nor force of Government to tell or make other people study, follow, or live by your reading of your Holly Book. Just like Muslims could not hear, if they were the majority. You can stand in your yard and scream your version of yeti all you want. The state e and should not endorse or compel it. School prayers lead by teachers during instruction would violate the prohibition on compelled speech. Another bench made improvement not spelled out in the Constitution. The freedom of speech includes the freedom to not speak. Again, this is based on English Common law. It is the civil version of Right to Remain Silent as it applies to Government being able to force us. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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 Totally off topic for this thread (as was Roland’s). I believe you are wrong and happy to debate it in another thread. The question on the table is:
Is there anyone who disagrees with the that^^^statement? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It is not Jesus or his teachings that are off putting, it is the behavior of the "religious". Why the church is declining in America: "One of the top answers was church members seem to be judgmental or hypocritical" https://www.theguardian.com/us...n-covid-christianity You might read through your own posts to get an idea as to how these folks who have recently departed the church have formed their opinions. I doubt you will as that would be uncomfortable and you would not have the Left to blame. | |||
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I thought the question on the table is to list the bad that Jesus teaches people to do. A broad topic in itself, but maybe there isn't much of a list so the topic is wandering. Jesus taught much that is good. But he refrained from expressing opinions on things he didn't care about. Like abortion. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Except he never mentions abortion, and in some situations the Old Testament does not treat it as prohibited. Yet, you maintain that you know more about Old Testament, Mosaic Law than the words and Orthodox Jews. | |||
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That Judgemental thing keeps popping up. | |||
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Jesus is the judge. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That is not true. Of any religion. Basically religions started with a good deed, all of them. Then humans decided to INTERPRET those teachings, and convert them to suit themselves. In other words, THEY have become the religion themselves! | |||
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I maintain that I have read and studied the Old Testament. As a person who has thrived on the ability to learn and apply in depth knowledge…I trust “my” ability to read, study, and comprehend. While this is not the topic of this thread…I am more than happy to defend the stance that God does not look favorable upon abortion and no passage in the Bible condones it. Please feel free to start the thread…I will be there with bells on. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I agree, so it makes me wonder why the religious cannot leave that part to Jesus instead of taking it upon themselves. It seems like many who have recently left the church are wondering the same thing that I am. | |||
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You see! Your interpretation! Nothing else. | |||
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Jesus tells us to not remain silent about Him and the path to redemption. Telling someone that there is “no way to the Father except through Jesus” (paraphrased but accurate), which is basically telling someone that they are going to hell if they don’t accept Jesus, is not passing judgement…although many (including you) count it as such. It is spreading the Word as Jesus commanded. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I think that part is a bit open to interpretation as to what it really means. Offering an example and discussing your belief to those who ask vs. pure prosthelytizing (such as the Mormons or Jehovahs witnesses do) is debatable as to what Jesus meant. | |||
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One thing we can say for sure is that He didn’t say remain mum on the subject of He and I would offer He didn’t want believers to wait to be asked before they shared the Good News. Certainly He did not instruct the disciples to behave in that manner. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Put it this way- I agree that Jesus’ teachings were good, and not a problem, but we’ve just shown the human element of it. Is living a good godly life and being an example (since you will be doing things that why you do it is obvious) as opposed to going up and saying, “you are going to hell unless you listen to me and do this!” following his instruction? This is the interpretive part that gets folks worked up. I’ve been told that my baptism didn’t count by a baptist as it was in childhood… don’t tell me that guy was following Jesus’ example… | |||
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You are a creep! You have crossed the line with that statement boy! Finally showing your true colors???? . . | |||
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Of course not. Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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