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I can certainly be wrong, have been before and almost certainly will be again, but I do not think this election is nearly as close as the "pollsters" have maintained, and I expect in the next couple days we'll see many of them moving Harris' way as they "unweight" their analysis to avoid being starkly wrong.

My prediction is that Harris will win the Popular Vote by a large margin (I wouldn't be surprised at 10 million+), she will win most or all of the "swing" States despite the best efforts by the Republicans to suppress votes and she will likely pick up two or three States that Trump won comfortably in 2020.

Women will decide this election.

We'll know in a few days how close I was, or wasn't.


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Women will decide this election.



A good example. My wife voted for Trump, twice. Much to my dismay she even contributed to his campaign, twice. I respect her ability to think for herself. This election is a different kettle of fish. She worries about how the religious fringe in Texas have imposed an abortion ban that places our daughter’s health at risk should she have a troubled pregnancy. At first she said she would just not vote. Now she plans to vote against those that have pandered to the religious kooks and left young women that are the victims of rape and incest or young women that experience serious complications in pregnancy at risk. She is not alone either.


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Women will decide this election.



A good example. My wife voted for Trump, twice. Much to my dismay she even contributed to his campaign, twice. I respect her ability to think for herself. This election is a different kettle of fish. She worries about how the religious fringe in Texas have imposed an abortion ban that places our daughter’s health at risk should she have a troubled pregnancy. At first she said she would just not vote. Now she plans to vote against those that have pandered to the religious kooks and left young women that are the victims of rape and incest or young women that experience serious complications in pregnancy at risk. She is not alone either.


did you coach her on single issue voting, mikey? how did it go?


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Women will decide this election.



A good example. My wife voted for Trump, twice. Much to my dismay she even contributed to his campaign, twice. I respect her ability to think for herself. This election is a different kettle of fish. She worries about how the religious fringe in Texas have imposed an abortion ban that places our daughter’s health at risk should she have a troubled pregnancy. At first she said she would just not vote. Now she plans to vote against those that have pandered to the religious kooks and left young women that are the victims of rape and incest or young women that experience serious complications in pregnancy at risk. She is not alone either.


I think a lot of women who voted for Trump, or didn't vote in 2020, will be voting for Harris without telling anybody except maybe their daughters, certainly not pollsters or their fathers or MAGA husbands.


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I think a lot of women who voted for Trump, or didn't vote in 2020, will be voting for Harris without telling anybody except maybe their daughters, certainly not pollsters or their fathers or MAGA husbands.


I would hope they'd feel comfortable telling anyone and everyone. They shouldn't have anything to hide, I certainly plan on raising my kid that way.
 
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I think a lot of women who voted for Trump, or didn't vote in 2020, will be voting for Harris without telling anybody except maybe their daughters, certainly not pollsters or their fathers or MAGA husbands.


I would hope they'd feel comfortable telling anyone and everyone. They shouldn't have anything to hide, I certainly plan on raising my kid that way.


You haven't met many MAGAts, have you?

Many of them consider women to be property, and automatically expect them to vote as they are told.

These are not smart, evolved people.


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I can certainly be wrong, have been before and almost certainly will be again, but I do not think this election is nearly as close as the "pollsters" have maintained, and I expect in the next couple days we'll see many of them moving Harris' way as they "unweight" their analysis to avoid being starkly wrong.



My prediction is that Harris will win the Popular Vote by a large margin (I wouldn't be surprised at 10 million+), she will win most or all of the "swing" States despite the best efforts by the Republicans to suppress votes and she will likely pick up two or three States that Trump won comfortably in 2020.

Women will decide this election.

We'll know in a few days how close I was, or wasn't.


Ann Seltzer is a perfect warning shot.
 
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Many of them consider women to be property, and automatically expect them to vote as they are told.

These are not smart, evolved people.

Jeff,
Your so full of crap your eyes are brown.
 
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Many of them consider women to be property, and automatically expect them to vote as they are told.

These are not smart, evolved people.

Jeff,
Your so full of crap your eyes are brown.


Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion, it will receive exactly the consideration it deserves.


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Interesting new from Iowa

https://www.theguardian.com/us...ump-harris-iowa-poll


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Individuals paying politicians is the ultimate in STUPIDITY! rotflmo

Won't be long now.

Before we back to EXACTLY the same state we are in right now!

What a bloody system!

Created right from the start to be CORRUPT!

And the sheeple are being herded to go whichever way their masters say! jumping


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Individuals paying politicians is the ultimate in STUPIDITY! rotflmo

Won't be long now.

Before we back to EXACTLY the same state we are in right now!

What a bloody system!

Created right from the start to be CORRUPT!

And the sheeple are being herded to go whichever way their masters say! jumping


Well, we certainly yield to your superior knowledge and legacy when it comes to herding dumb animals...


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Saeed, why do you put up with this cunt?

yap yap yap yap. We get it, you love Harris and hate Trump and his supporters. You must be the saddest fucking individual I have ever come across. Always has to have some sort of snide remark.


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Individuals paying politicians is the ultimate in STUPIDITY! rotflmo

Won't be long now.

Before we back to EXACTLY the same state we are in right now!

What a bloody system!

Created right from the start to be CORRUPT!

And the sheeple are being herded to go whichever way their masters say! jumping


Well, we certainly yield to your superior knowledge and legacy when it comes to herding dumb animals...


No.

We are not even close!

Over 300 million brainless two legged zombies choosing their rulers beat anything on this earth! clap


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Saeed, why do you put up with this cunt?

yap yap yap yap. We get it, you love Harris and hate Trump and his supporters. You must be the saddest fucking individual I have ever come across. Always has to have some sort of snide remark.



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Well said. Couldn’t agree with you more tu2
Jeffive is the most pig headed, obnoxious, full of himself , faggot , I have ever come across on the World Wide Web.
Your yap yap yap yap analogy of this prick is spot on. He’s a manic depressive with obviously a very sad resemblance of a life.
I too question why Saeed allows him a presence on here.
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Saeed, why do you put up with this cunt?

yap yap yap yap. We get it, you love Harris and hate Trump and his supporters. You must be the saddest fucking individual I have ever come across. Always has to have some sort of snide remark.



Snav-
Well said. Couldn’t agree with you more tu2
Jeffive is the most pig headed, obnoxious, full of himself , faggot , I have ever come across on the World Wide Web.
Your yap yap yap yap analogy of this prick is spot on. He’s a manic depressive with obviously a very sad resemblance of a life.
I too question why Saeed allows him a presence on here.
4WD


You two are just upset because you can't refute his arguments.

I suspect Saeed might not like it much when he's instructed on whom to allow in his forum.
 
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Unlike America, we do have FREE SPEECH here.

And unlike other hunting and shooting sites, we do have free speech.

Enjoy clobbering each other, just like the rest of the country.

Where common sense and tolerance does not exists! rotflmo


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Roland - I am not upset. Got no skin in the game, just a spectator. We have our own problems.
Also didn't instruct Saeed to do anything. Its his forum and he has a hell of a lot more patience than I do.
I just can't tolerate rude, disrespectful turds. Don't say something to people on the net you wouldn't say to their faces.


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I just can't tolerate rude, disrespectful turds.



You're doing a pretty good job of slinging insults yourself.
 
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Jeffive is the most pig headed, obnoxious, full of himself , faggot , I have ever come across on the World Wide Web.
Your yap yap yap yap analogy of this prick is spot on. He’s a manic depressive with obviously a very sad resemblance of a life.
I too question why Saeed allows him a presence on here.
4WD


Your use of "faggot" as a pejorative shows you're homophobic. We're well into the 21st century, dude.
 
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Is it fair (or accurate) to call the duly elected legislature and executive of Texas “religious fringe”? … especially the “fringe” designation. Is 50%+ the governor a “fringe”?


Anyway, what about this? And doesn’t Texas have a “life” exception?

Perhaps the folks with their panties in a wad should read this:

https://www.kff.org/womens-hea...-gestational-limits/

If you’re still all in a twitter, more power to you, but the life of the mother is an exception in every state in the U.S.

Legality of morning after pills in Texas:
https://www.usatoday.com/story...lained/73104521007/#

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

Women will decide this election.



A good example. My wife voted for Trump, twice. Much to my dismay she even contributed to his campaign, twice. I respect her ability to think for herself. This election is a different kettle of fish. She worries about how the religious fringe in Texas have imposed an abortion ban that places our daughter’s health at risk should she have a troubled pregnancy. At first she said she would just not vote. Now she plans to vote against those that have pandered to the religious kooks and left young women that are the victims of rape and incest or young women that experience serious complications in pregnancy at risk. She is not alone either.


JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
 
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Texas has approximately 400,000 live births a year.

Approximately 10 to 15% of confirmed pregnancies spontaneously abort, and over 80% of spontaneous abortions occur in the first trimester.

And your point is (other than hyperbole)?

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My point is women with troubled pregnancy's are being denied health care, sometimes resulting in death, due to the anti-abortion laws in place. Your claim that the life of the mother is an exception is not true in Texas. In other words, you are full of

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I think jeffi is trying to convince himself.
Just think snav, how much fun you can have rubbing his nose in it if he's wrong.
I thought a faggot was a bundle of wood??
 
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I suggest you read the statutes.

BTW, the info I provided is from Kaiser, hardly a religious fringe institution.
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My point is women with troubled pregnancy's are being denied health care, sometimes resulting in death, due to the anti-abortion laws in place. Your claim that the life of the mother is an exception is not true in Texas. In other words, you are full of

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Or you could read the links I posted documenting the refused care and the death of a teen girl.

But you have a religion to impose upon others, far more important than the lives of some young women.

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I certainly don’t have a vote in Texas giving me any ability to impose anything, religious or otherwise. I’m just bemused by folks who take statistical anomalies to bizarre extremes to justify baseless opinions that folks who wish to control have successfully terrorized voters into believing.

I have read the links and thy raise more questions than provide answers.

Here’s another example:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03...ranscript/index.html

Where’s the crime herein?
Multiple times here posters claim bizarre contents. It’s just not there but millions of sheep believe differently.


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I certainly don’t have a vote in Texas giving me any ability to impose anything, religious or otherwise. I’m just bemused by folks who take statistical anomalies to bizarre extremes to justify baseless opinions that folks who a wish to control have successfully terrorized voters into believing.

I have read the links and thy raise more questions than provide answers.

Here’s another example:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03...ranscript/index.html

Where’s the crime herein?
Multiple times here posters claim bizarre contents. It’s just not there but millions of sheep believe differently.


Are you in full control of your mental faculties?

That transcript is enough to make any patriotic American puke.

Texas has most certainly been denying health care to pregnant women in need, as spelled out in the article.

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There are some very bad decisions being made in medicine. Right here there is the wording where doctors could have saved these women yet they did not:

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But Texas’ new abortion ban had just gone into effect. It required physicians to confirm the absence of a fetal heartbeat before intervening unless there was a “medical emergency,” which the law did not define. It required doctors to make written notes on the patient’s condition and the reason abortion was necessary.


Those women never should have suffered and died. Their medical teams did not follow what was written.


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There are some very bad decisions being made in medicine. Right here there is the wording where doctors could have saved these women yet they did not:

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But Texas’ new abortion ban had just gone into effect. It required physicians to confirm the absence of a fetal heartbeat before intervening unless there was a “medical emergency,” which the law did not define. It required doctors to make written notes on the patient’s condition and the reason abortion was necessary.


Those women never should have suffered and died. Their medical teams did not follow what was written.


The law should not have been written at all, and those women should not have suffered and died.

The medical teams, per their own words, are afraid of prosecution.

It is the law that is flawed, not those seeking to avoid the laws penalties.
 
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Not only is the Texas law impacting the healthcare of pregnant women currently, longer term it is impacting access to care by encouraging OB/GYNs to practice elsewhere. Texas has seen this before. At one point malpractice litigation was resulting in a shortage of doctors in some areas and some practice disciplines. Texas adopted tort reform restrictions to help stem the flight of physicians elsewhere. The law is a stupid law. I can completely understand why so many women are outraged.



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The law should not have been written at all, and those women should not have suffered and died.

The medical teams, per their own words, are afraid of prosecution.

It is the law that is flawed, not those seeking to avoid the laws penalties.


On this second point, Steve, you are wrong.
The doctors that contributed, or failed to contribute, to patient care are not quoted at all in any of these articles.
What their motives were is complete conjecture.
I am also 100% certain that their counsel is telling them to keep their mouth's shut over this.

One doesn't need to jump all the way to "the law is flawed" when simple malpractice is the more obvious answer here.
 
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. . . for a group that generally has nothing but disdain for lawyers, you would think that folks here would view a law with penalties that essentially force hospitals and physicians to include lawyers in the decision making process for a woman's healthcare as something to be condemned not embraced. The penalties are simply too extreme for hospitals and doctors to do otherwise. Under the law in Texas, doctors who perform abortions risk life in prison, fines of up to $100,000 and revocation of their state medical licenses.


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I disagree and so do Texas doctors.

https://www.texastribune.org/2...etter-abortion-laws/

https://fox59.com/news/nationa...-miscarriage-report/

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/...i-v-texas-rcna176807


The law is completely flawed and causing irreparable harm.

What an outrageous way of forcing "Christianity" upon the masses.


As I have pointed out before, you can't stop abortion, you can only stop safe abortions. The rate has barely budged since Rowe was overturned.

https://apnews.com/article/abo...0345ec5c8fe23ab43a60

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tex...akers-220344586.html
 
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The law is completely flawed and causing irreparable harm.


Misunderstanding the law is causing irreparable harm as well, more in fact.

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a law with penalties that essentially force hospitals and physicians to include lawyers in the decision making process for a woman's healthcare as something to be condemned


It should not surprise you that lawyers are involved in the decision making process for everybody's healthcare at every level.
 
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Less than 24 hours to go.

Then the truth will be revealed! rotflmo


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The law is completely flawed and causing irreparable harm.


Misunderstanding the law is causing irreparable harm as well, more in fact.

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a law with penalties that essentially force hospitals and physicians to include lawyers in the decision making process for a woman's healthcare as something to be condemned


It should not surprise you that lawyers are involved in the decision making process for everybody's healthcare at every level.


The only reason for lawyers to be involved is the liability doctors are exposed to under the asinine Texas law.

The law is flawed, that is the problem.
 
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I disagree and so do Texas doctors.


You can disagree all you want but it is FACT that the caregivers in question have yet to make any statements of their own on the record.
It's not hard to see that the only possible defense of their failure to render care to their patient could be to claim that the "law" prevented it.
 
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