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There is plenty of evidence that historically Democratic administration is good for the economy and for the vast majority of the people 1. See this - https://www.pewresearch.org/so...d-wealth-inequality/ 2. More evidence that the rich get richer in tough times https://www.politico.com/news/...ty-wealth-gap-409234 3. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9122750/ 4. This is a Global issue and not just the US - https://www.newstatesman.com/b...20of%20the%20economy. 5. More of the same - https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06...-richest-of-the-rich 6. In the last 35 years Democratic administrations created 40 times more jobs than Republican administrations. https://www.economist.com/grap...cans-on-job-creation The rich have no incentive to build a strong & stable economy when they make more money in tough times. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | ||
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I mean its not that hard to understand. Liberal govts allow larger immigration of poorer populace. They also increase the govt labour pool and spend up large which further creates jobs. Then comes the inflation from the poor planning and over expenditure which sees them lose power and the conservative govt has to reduce the economy and jobs to get the inflation under control before it does real harm. | |||
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Both Bushes left a mess for a democrat to clean up, particularly Bush 2. trump left an awful mess for Biden to clean up. Conversely, Bush 2 walked into a great setup & blew it, exploding the deficit, trump walked into a great setup, and blew it as well. And they just flat out lie about it, like Vance in the debate claiming trump saved Obamacare after trying to kill it off on day one, and repeating those efforts all the way to the Supreme court. It's why the GOP demanded no fact checking during the VP debate. The GOP has even stopped calling it Obamacare now. It's so successful and popular they want to falsely claim credit for it after railing against it for years. There isn't a single GOP governor who wants it to go away in favor of a "concept of a plan". | |||
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Maybe that's how it works in your country, but in the US the Republican so-called conservatives have been as big of spenders as the Democrats. And, with their tax cuts added to their profligate spending, they have been bigger deficit spenders. | |||
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Yeah You could be right. Our liberal govts are generally further left than yours. Though from what I see your democrats are heading more that way now, than say the clinton era. Il be in the US for the lead up too the election. AM looking forward to the first hand insight snd not the filter we see through our news. | |||
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That is EXACTLY what happens in NZ and all over the developed world. 1. In the Western world legal immigrants have skill threshold and also minimum income criteria to meet. Any claim that they are some sort of a drain on the economy is just plain xenophobic. 2. If not for legal immigrants, Western society will collapse. All stats show that legal immigrants occupy above average roles, jobs and income levels. 3. In the US, ILLEGAL immigration was at its LOWEST under Obama and at its worst under GOP admin. Again - official stats can prove this. 4. It is FALSE to claim that Conservative governments do the cleanup. They give tax cuts to the rich (like John Key & Luxon) and cut jobs in essential services like Health. Look at the lies they are spreading right now, claiming a huge deficit of $1 billion in health when the Right wing govt actually refused to fund the wage increase that was agreed and signed into law after negotiations with Doctors & Nurse's unions many years ago. NZ has some of the lowest salary levels for doctors & nurses in the developed world (including the Middle East). 5. GOP waged the wasted wars that led to overspending and economic crisis. The super rich oligarchs who own the military industry made a lot of money. Bill Clinton left a huge SURPLUS that GWB stole for the super rich. That was nothing short of theft. If that money had gone into US infrastructure projects, the 2008 GEC would never have happened.
"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Everyone love legal immigration Now, since you say offical stats can prove this, illegal immigration, not deportation, please find a source.. Here are some that say you "misremembered" https://www.pewresearch.org/sh...ts-living-in-the-us/ https://cis.org/Report/Estimat...nt-Population-Survey The real question, little naki, is WHY are people coming to this evil, racist, repressive, and then choosing to largely live in the most red areas of the country? Oh, that's right, your side of the story is balderdash, from 8,000 miles away, without meaningful experience here. Naki, honey, there's more illegals coming in under quemala the border czar than in your entire country of refuge. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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What the original links actually showed was the middle class decreasing. More were climbing up into the wealthy category. This will likely be the established middle class. But also the low income population was increasing too. Much of that will come from immigration. The standard is you immigrate up to a country with better standard of living. But that means you come in at the bottom of the new society. I dont think its a complete coincidence that Immigrant population of the US is currently near 14%, while low income population has risen by 9% Im not saying in al that that legal immigration is a bad thing. Its just that it has to be done in a sustainable manor. | |||
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Regions with long term Democratic control have the greatest wealth inequality in the USA. Middle and lower class employment of native citizens has increased, while the unemployment rate has decreased. California openly has illegal aliens on its police forces and carrying weapons. Legal immigration is welcomed, not illegal. | |||
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If you left it at A democrat admin is good for (some) people, I would agree. I did much better under Trump than Obo. Biden did not replace the Obo administration sweeping policies Trump canceled. But higher fuel and goods prices meant I still was ahead under Trump. If only he would have shut his mouth, I could have liked his admin. | |||
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It’s simply impossible for a narcissistic egomaniac to keep his mouth shut since he’s convinced he’s the smartest person in the room…   Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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You guys should really get tired of the bald faced lying. There are NO illegals on police forces anywhere. It can only be done if you are LEGAL. | |||
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Uh huh. And suddenly you are an expert in Cali practices. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Well let us just look it up: The California law permits legal non-citizens to be employed as police officers. Tge law does not allow undocumented persons in California to be employed as police. When one is a legal resident and can legally work, that person may be hired as police. I see nothing wrong w that. The citizens of California in the majority see nothing wrong w that. https://www.cbs8.com/article/n...5e-a6cf-eba00c5337f7 The state law, SB 960, makes applicants with federal work authorization eligible to become officers. Supporters said the new law would make an effective recruiting tool at a time of persistent patrol officer shortages and declining staff levels. They said if immigrants were encouraged to apply, law enforcement agencies could gain more diverse, multilingual officers. Wymple is correct. Illegals cannot be employed as police in California. | |||
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Prove it or STFU. It's a lie. | |||
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I just proved you were right. I get the frustration. | |||
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A Democrat admin is far better for the whole of America and MOST Americans 1. As already posted above with evidence - US economy does better under Democrats and they create more jobs 2. The super rich will not get freebee entitlements 3. The average wage earner will do far better 4. Banks, Pharma, fossil fuel industries will be better controlled and pay this fair share 5. Infrastructure will be renovated 6. Ecofriendly policies will benefit the environment 7. White collar criminals will go into hiding 8. All women will get their full right back 9. The whole world will heave a BIG sigh of relief  Much more .....
"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I mean, this is the ignorance of the self assured. Lets take Reagan and a reasonable summary. Yep he increased debt, but he did so while playing a part in breaking the soviet union. https://millercenter.org/presi...an/impact-and-legacy | |||
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All of this neglects that a lot of acts and consequences occur a bit away from who did what. As an example, wasn't it Clinton who placed a lot of the subprime issues (trying to get the working poor into owning houses) that ended up collapsing under Bush Jr? Both side play a lot of crony capitalism. Trump was a big democrat supporter when most of his empire was in what are termed "blue states" now. As to illegal immigration, I think it probably was its worst under Biden, but its hard to verify those numbers as they are by nature not documented... Also, if leftist (OK, center-left) policies are so superior for an economy, why are the European and other socialist states always lagging behind the US? By the way, Bill Clinton's surplus? Wasn't that mainly due to the GOP led congress and Clinton's tactic of "triangulation" where he took the positions that his opponents claimed? BTW, there is no national negotiation with the Federal government regarding health services. In the US, most health care is still private insurance. The republicans are certainly no angels or examples of fiscal responsibility, although they do at least talk about it. The closest the democrats get is demanding the rich pay more, regardless of the fact that they do not have enough money to pay for the debt. Also, there is the little factoid that lowering tax rates has historically increased federal revenue... Taxes are supposed to fund the government, not be some sort of social leveling procedure. | |||
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All that sound good until you ask the question "why has the middle class declined in the last 50 years and wealth distribution so skewed?". Why are the super rich getting richer AT a faster rate during recessions? Do the super rich not have a vested interest in suppressing the economy? "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Why are the European economies lagging behind the US? Isn't it obvious? The US is controlled by the biggest oligarchs. Military, fossil fuel, pharma, agrichemical industries. BTW Europe is not lagging behind on all metrics. The US is lagging far behind on many metrics such as violent crime, white collar crime, health, suicide, education, and most importantly Human Rights. The US is also behind on ecological indices. The US seems to be very good at starting, selling and extending wars, spreading expensive drugs, agrichemicals and other pollutants. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/n...e-officers-rcna93493 | |||
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Government policicies control who gets rich in much of the world today. Those that support the Crown get richer. Suppressing the economy suppresses the wealth of the rich and poor alike. Only the misinformed would believe otherwise. | |||
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According to your claim, the US statistics are MISINFORMED!  Did you really look at the links I posted and really look at the details? There is UNEQUIVOCAL evidence that the super rich get richer at a faster rate when the economy is down. Therefore they have no incentive to build a good economy. They will sit back when a democratic government comes in and rebuilds the economy. Once the GOP is back in power they will crash the economy with wars and tax cuts for the rich. This is an old playbook.
"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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By the way, any claim that the middleclass moved to rich category reflects an inability to read the stats and the charts. Those stats are percentile and therefore the rich percentile stays the same but their wealth goes up 10 or 20 fold compared to the others. That is PROOF that my (and most others') hard earned money moves up to this tiny minority who pull the strings. The corrupt Conservatives keep spinning their lies so that they are either in the rich or near the rich category while 95% are in the struggling category. Out of that 95%, 45% are dumb enough to buy into the BS propaganda of the Right. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Im not reading the stats and charts. Im reading what the researchers themselves said.
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uhm Naki, my cohort, techies, which includes Indians and others, have ALL moved up on the income scale- same for plumbers, carpenters, etc etc etc that you want to play game with math, as you don't define and keep to a definition, about moving into the rich scale .. MOST of US billionaires reach this status in the 20 years ... what do you define as rich? let's keep it to actual income, not unrealized investments opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Meanwhile in nz, we have had a conservative govt for less than a year and already we are seeing inflation decrease, Interest rates falling, our export commodity prices rising. Expected decrease in foreign based exchange investment which does alot for our housing prices and in country returns. As well as further commodity price increases... Ok well that exchange rate thing can wait until I return from the states. I want to buy some shit. | |||
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As of now, 28% of the people say the economy is good or great. Who is in charge, the Dems. No matter how you spin the charts, it comes down to how people are feeling themselves. | |||
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Back40 is correct. | |||
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That 28% of Americans think the dem lead economy is good? Barely more than an quarter of Americans? Where the vast majority disagree? I am sure you meant something on this, but it's not clear opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I see the betting sites are predicting a trump victory. How accurate have they been in the past? | |||
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First of all, there is no need to SPIN the charts. You just need to understand them and read them correctly rather than look for ways to interpret it according to your preferences, like someone tried to do earlier. Facts are facts. They do not change. It goes for survey polls as well. The fact that only 28% of the people SAY or THINK that they are better off is the reflection of the propaganda and all the noise in the media / social media / political climate.
"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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So the people who say they have cut back on groceries, are actually better off than they think??? OK, got it. | |||
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This is a fact. Indisputable. Naki can suck eggs! | |||
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And then if you aren't a complete moron......like naki..... You must ask yourself why are the " super rich" mostly leftists... | |||
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Naki is an idiot.....why do you even respond to him? Its kind of like trying to reason with mangina? | |||
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Don't confused naki with facts. He's impervious to them opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I thought I had you on ignore but it looks like I let you out after the last ass kicking I gave you. So The Heritage Foundation and the Project 2025 funders are leftists? Go figure. BTW - There are no leftists in the US.
"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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People say anything they want and often based on feelings. Like the MAGA crowd. Stats are based on facts and not on feelings, opinions & "people say". The original heading of the thread deliberately kept a key point open. With all the evidence indicating that Democrats help a vast majority of the population, it makes you wonder how DUMB Republicans really are. Oh, yes - they are the less educated! Like Jtits.
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