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If only 28% say the economy is good or great, that is a large number of dems saying it is not.
 
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Does anyone else see naki's contradiction?
On another thread, all he could talk about was how only the rich were doing well, middle and lower class failing. Two, three jobs to get by, blah, blah,blah.
Now he creates a new thread where no one should complain, they are all better off than they think.
It's only fake news that some people polled, said they have trouble buying groceries.
 
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Its because his arguments are insincere. Hes more interested in inflicting damage than truth.
 
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If only 28% say the economy is good or great, that is a large number of dems saying it is not.


The ones that say it isn't will probably say the same even if the ORANGE YAM gets elected.


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Bingo, shanks, you hit the nail on the head!
That is my point antelope. Niki is trying to say with dems in there, anyone who says the economy is going the wrong way is lying.
 
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Its because his arguments are insincere. Hes more interested in inflicting damage than truth.


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Forbes just came out, CPI inflation was worse than expected last month.
niki will have a chart to show it's not true, everyone is rich as hell.
 
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This is the typical Right wing BS. You guys cannot read properly or comprehend the information communicated. The less educated group I suppose.

1. I have already give you plenty of evidence. That will NEVER change the facts and figures.
2. the other thread you are referring to is about long term wealth distribution over several decades and not the current economic climate.
3. There is no contradiction. Currently the economy is doing well as per Fox news report Magine provided. Historically Republican administrations drove down the economy so that the rich can get richer through tax cuts, unnecessary wars etc. as already proved.

Very very smart people on the Right cannot refute this and hence they stir up the BS right wing talking points.

You guys are not close to that league. Your dumb responses and insults only confirm your blind MAGA character.



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Does anyone else see naki's contradiction?
On another thread, all he could talk about was how only the rich were doing well, middle and lower class failing. Two, three jobs to get by, blah, blah,blah.
Now he creates a new thread where no one should complain, they are all better off than they think.
It's only fake news that some people polled, said they have trouble buying groceries.


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Hey little naki.
How many hours, or days if that's too hard for you, have you spent in the us? Oh, speaking of wealth, why do you brag about yours? While mooching hunts of acquaintances?


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If Naki likes to check his home country, He will see broadly corresponding rises in inflation for left wing govts, and lowering inflation for right wing.
https://www.stats.govt.nz/news...tion-at-3-3-percent/

https://www.parliament.nz/en/v...-zealand-since-1856/

Even the Key govt handled the world financial crisis and brought inflation back under control by the end of his leadership.

And what hurts the poor and middle class more than anything. Cost of living.
 
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Ahhh, so that was the past, and everyone is doing well now. No more struggling people, niki said so!
 
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Just watched a clip of a Harris rally.
She was asked about high grocery prices.
She said, she knew they were high, and she would work on getting prices down.
She should have whipped out a niki chart and told them " quit bitching, the economy is great, you have plenty of money"
72% of people are wrong that the country is going in the wrong direction.
 
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Just watched a clip of a Harris rally.
She was asked about high grocery prices.
She said, she knew they were high, and she would work on getting prices down.
She should have whipped out a niki chart and told them " quit bitching, the economy is great, you have plenty of money"
72% of people are wrong that the country is going in the wrong direction.


Either that, or they fail(refuse?) to see the big pictured related to post-pandemic inflation.

My income has increased more than enough to offset inflation.
 
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So because you have, everyone has, Steve?
 
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So because you have, everyone has, Steve?


I did not say that, but many are in the same situation as I am.

Those of us with an education or highly developed skill sets are doing just fine, the unskilled/low skilled workers are taking a beating. It's a trend that has been going on for several decades, a change in administration will not change it.
 
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This inflation or price index argument has never made sense to me. I've tried discussing it with some far-right friends, but they are stuck on the belief.

Even if they do see prices going up, and less money in their pockets, I just don't get it that its legit to blame Biden. Prices have gone up in general for as long as I can remember.

The stupid part is they somehow really believe Trump can fix it for them and that things were better when he was in office. I don't remember it that way, except the price of trucks and vans used and new went up beyond what I could afford. And shop prices went up too for mechanics. And even if purchasing power, to buy groceries for example, was somehow better when Trump waws in office it was despite him.

And most importantly, the price on a world scale that WILL be paid if Trump gets in office again will make a nickel more for a can of beans minuscule.

I never understood why people would vote for a man of Trump's character for perhaps the most powerful office, yet wouldn't buy a used car from him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/busine...of-living-rcna174740

Inflation cools to lowest level since February 2021
The average U.S. household has been out-earning inflation for the last two years, though many are still adjusting to prices that have climbed more than 21% altogether since early 2020.

Also:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2...ss/cpi-inflation-fed

Here's an article that shows: Inflation Rate: A Global Comparison

https://gfmag.com/data/economi...est-inflation-rates/


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Steve, your cliental is in the upper income level, dont you think that has bearing?
Lets see. Beef and dairy, including goat milk and organic, are about flat from Trump years. Except all costs to grow and produce have gone up.
Hardwood logs, the good money in forestry products is down 30%. Maple syrup could have been a bright spot for US producers during covid lock down..... except Biden gave Canadian trucks a pass to bring it down to the states and kept the price depressed.
I will not vote for trump, but you can bet your ass my vote will not go to a dem.
As no-one gives a shit about any but themselves in the economy, so shall it be for me.
Obo was the worst president for agriculture and those who make a living from the land. trump reversed the worst of obo's policies. Biden at least did not reenact them. I will not chance kamala with a vote. Even she doesnt know what her policy is yet.
 
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Steve, your cliental is in the upper income level, dont you think that has bearing?
Lets see. Beef and dairy, including goat milk and organic, are about flat from Trump years. Except all costs to grow and produce have gone up.
Hardwood logs, the good money in forestry products is down 30%. Maple syrup could have been a bright spot for US producers during covid lock down..... except Biden gave Canadian trucks a pass to bring it down to the states and kept the price depressed.
I will not vote for trump, but you can bet your ass my vote will not go to a dem.
As no-one gives a shit about any but themselves in the economy, so shall it be for me.
Obo was the worst president for agriculture and those who make a living from the land. trump reversed the worst of obo's policies. Biden at least did not reenact them. I will not chance kamala with a vote. Even she doesnt know what her policy is yet.


Of course the fact that my clients are in the upper income brackets helps, I intentionally tailored my business in that direction for a reason. When the bottom fell out after the 2008 economic crisis the blue collar clients that I once had simply stopped calling. I was faced with a choice, better quality work and charge more targeting wealthy folks or more volume and less dollars per transaction going after the average Joe doing work I did not want to do. It was an easy choice for me and one I'm glad I made.

Sure, basics cost more, that is true throughout the world though. I'm not sure that is the fault of any politician; I'm more inclined to believe that the cause was mostly supply chain disruptions, I just lost another supplier last week.

I can't vote for Trump due to his behavior after his loss to Biden. That man cannot be trusted.

Harris? As I said before, one redeeming quality that I see so far, she is not Trump.
 
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In your first reply you said the 72% are lying about the economy or fail to see the big picture.
Then you said the lower skilled people are taking a beating. That working for the top tier is the way to go.
Which is it Steve? It cant be both. Some of those 72% are blue collar people that are doing fine, or taking a beating. I dont care about the D or R's. I want to know why people think everyone is doing well, and they are lying about grocery and heating costs.
 
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In your first reply you said the 72% are lying about the economy or fail to see the big picture.
Then you said the lower skilled people are taking a beating. That working for the top tier is the way to go.
Which is it Steve? It cant be both. Some of those 72% are blue collar people that are doing fine, or taking a beating. I dont care about the D or R's. I want to know why people think everyone is doing well, and they are lying about grocery and heating costs.


Why is it? It could be that people tend to flock to news sources that tell them what they want to hear. Conservatives have been praying for the economy to fail since Biden got elected.

Nobody likes inflation but you do have to deal with it, how you deal with it is your call, I made my choices long ago and am pleased with them. I pursued a business model of extremely low overhead and catering to the wealthy, it works for me.

I still do not feel that the economy is bad, challenging at times, but very strong overall. You are free to disagree with me, I have no problem with that. I can only say that things have not been this good for me since Clinton was President.
 
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Then why have other Western Nations with a tighter monetary policy experienced similar levels of inflation as we have post pandemic?
 
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You didnt answer my question Steve.
Why in your first reply did you say people were lying about the economy. Meaning it was good for everyone.
In another post after that, you said lower wage people were taking a hit.
It cant be both, which is it? you said both things, only one can be right.
I have done better under Republican admin as president. Mixed bag when it comes to governors, but they have less power than the feds sweeping policies.
 
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Are you sure that the economy can't be strong overall and at the same time those who are unskilled struggle? The economy has been heading this way for decades. People may feel the economy poor, that does not mean that it is. I remember gas being less than 75 cents a gallon growing up, that does not mean that paying 3$ a gallon today is outrageous, though it may seem that way at times.

I don't doubt that the economy under the Biden admin has been difficult for you. My feelings are that global issues, principally supply chain disruption but also the Ukraine war, contributed to inflation far more than domestic monetary policy.


You are free to disagree.
 
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The economy can be strong overall, but it does not mean for the people it is not, are lying. That is what your first post inferred. Just wanted to clear it up what you were saying.
 
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Why can you not stay on topic and present fact.

Instead you misquote, misinterpret and abuse.

Typical Trump play book

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Ahhh, so that was the past, and everyone is doing well now. No more struggling people, niki said so!


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Brilliant response with facts.

This just proves why the less educated vote Republican.

Look at the poverty in West Texas with over 150 years of Conservatism. No republican admin cares about those people who are a generational vote bank.

If the region was more developed, more educated and enlightened, it would vote Democrat

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So because you have, everyone has, Steve?


I did not say that, but many are in the same situation as I am.

Those of us with an education or highly developed skill sets are doing just fine, the unskilled/low skilled workers are taking a beating. It's a trend that has been going on for several decades, a change in administration will not change it.


"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick."
 
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Brilliant response with facts.

This just proves why the less educated vote Republican.

Look at the poverty in West Texas with over 150 years of Conservatism. No republican admin cares about those people who are a generational vote bank.

If the region was more developed, more educated and enlightened, it would vote Democrat

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So because you have, everyone has, Steve?


I did not say that, but many are in the same situation as I am.

Those of us with an education or highly developed skill sets are doing just fine, the unskilled/low skilled workers are taking a beating. It's a trend that has been going on for several decades, a change in administration will not change it.



TB40 posts up poll results and thats not facts.

Steve post up his personnel observations and according to Naki, thats facts.

Thats not a shot at your observations Steve, its a recognition of the bias Naki is bringing too the subject.
 
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Back to the topic and the first researched fact as a reminder to stay on topic.

https://www.pewresearch.org/so...d-wealth-inequality/

Why cannot the Right wing just be honest with the truth?
Why all this convoluted efforts to misinterpret, misquote, manipulate, wiggle, whine, whinge, abuse etc.

Just read the facts. And admit it.

Be honest and admit your Right wing agenda and values do not care about people, does not care about human rights, doesn't care about the sick, the poor, etc.


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BTW Lane's Twitter clip is BS.

Wars cause economic crisis and inflation. Tax cuts cause economic crisis.

When the Republicsn admin forces the economy down, people stop spending. They use up savings to survive. Distress sales are common. The rich buy up bargains and get richer.

That is NOT the case now.


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We have millions that have come into the US. Many politicians want to make them all citizens.
Steve said the blue collar workers are the ones who are and will struggle. If we add millions of unskilled workers, and they are the ones the economy is not working for...... then what?
You just cannot say the economy is doing great for everyone.
I know how to budget, in a business just as Shanks knows. Not everyone who doesnt run a business knows how, they are the ones who will suffer. Sometimes it means laying off or getting rid of full or part time help to make it through.
 
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Is your business model outdated? Is your technology outdated? My business technology is outdated by 20 years and still surviving in a niche. It pays the bills but not my wages/ returns. The 2008 GEC hit us 2 years after I bought the business. We lost 30% sales as US exports tanked. I made big losses for 3 years. So I also work a full time job.

I blame Bush Jr and how his administration ruined millions all over the world while Dick Chaney and other oligarch became exponentially richer.

Another point to remember is that political views do not always match career choices. An organic farmer may be Right wing and a Venture capitalist may be a liberal.

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We have millions that have come into the US. Many politicians want to make them all citizens.
Steve said the blue collar workers are the ones who are and will struggle. If we add millions of unskilled workers, and they are the ones the economy is not working for...... then what?
You just cannot say the economy is doing great for everyone.
I know how to budget, in a business just as Shanks knows. Not everyone who doesnt run a business knows how, they are the ones who will suffer. Sometimes it means laying off or getting rid of full or part time help to make it through.


"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick."
 
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you are not in the US niki, so dont give a rats ass about your business model.
You are trying to tell people in the US how they are doing, not me telling you in yours.
 
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And as hard as it is. You have to know when to get out of a business.

I halved my debt and doubled my income by getting out of organics and selling land that became worth more for other purposes due to political situations.

Naki says right wing. I was never right wing. I was always more socialist on principle in action. But recognised the right allowed me freedom to be so.
 
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Why can you not stay on topic and present fact.

Instead you misquote, misinterpret and abuse.


yes, poor little naki, you do -- you really should get some help about that projection issue -- it's pretty obvious to everyone else

poor little naki, had to take a job, didn't reinvest in his company to update systems, and blames someone 8-9 thousand miles away --

but you go, little man, blame everyone for your failures and blame everyone who treats you in the same energy --

still mooching hunts off "Friends" and drinking?


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We have millions that have come into the US. Many politicians want to make them all citizens.
Steve said the blue collar workers are the ones who are and will struggle. If we add millions of unskilled workers, and they are the ones the economy is not working for...... then what? You are 100% correct that the current economy does not work for everyone. In my opinion, this is directly related to offshoring manufacturing and globalization. We do not currently have enough jobs that pay a living wage for our unskilled/low skilled workers. Then what is a good question, I sure don't have the answer but I did see the writing on the wall and developed marketable skills myself.
You just cannot say the economy is doing great for everyone.
I know how to budget, in a business just as Shanks knows. Not everyone who doesnt run a business knows how, they are the ones who will suffer. Sometimes it means laying off or getting rid of full or part time help to make it through.
 
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Then bloody get out of this international forum. Piss off.

If you want to debate here, then behave yourself and show some respect.

No body cares if you are American. The whole world knows the kind of bullies and that many Americans can be. There are a few here.

You have no f@#*g right to come on an international forum and tell people what to do.

I have every right to give my opinions and analysis about America on this forum.


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you are not in the US niki, so dont give a rats ass about your business model.
You are trying to tell people in the US how they are doing, not me telling you in yours.


"When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick."
 
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Then bloody get out of this international forum. Piss off.

If you want to debate here, then behave yourself and show some respect.

No body cares if you are American. The whole world knows the kind of bullies and that many Americans can be. There are a few here.

You have no f@#*g right to come on an international forum and tell people what to do.

I have every right to give my opinions and analysis about America on this forum.


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you are not in the US niki, so dont give a rats ass about your business model.
You are trying to tell people in the US how they are doing, not me telling you in yours.


Where did he tell you what to do?

He simply said he doesn't give a rats arse if you fail or not. In fact he states hes not telling you what to do, and that you are telling his nation what to do.

So how do you get to then tell him to pass off from this forum?

Wymple, surely you can see that? 1x1 is still only 1 by the way.
 
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