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Originally posted by Rick R:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Rick R:
Trump is saying you have to break eggs to make an omelette. Considering the mess the Democrats have made of the kitchen the last few years he may need to break a lot of eggs.

If you get the vapors thinking that laws may be bruised to correct the bullshit path we’re on then you probably approved of the stuff O’Bumbles, Schumer and Pelosi pushed thru.

Remember that the Founding Fathers broke a law or two to get the US started. Hopefully we can get back on track without stacking quite as many bodies.

No Rick, Trump is seeking immunity squared and no Rick just because you disagree with a "ruler" doesn't mean you support the opposition. I think it's actually very wise, very healthy and patriotic to question and hold accountable our "rulers" unless their name is Khomeini or Hussein or Putin.

The Founding Fathers were guilty of treason against the Crown and of course most of us here think that was the right thing to do. That you think there's a parallel between our Revolutionary War and Trump's social media rants makes me wonder about your loyalty.

Rick, is there a size of stacked bodies of your fellow Americans you'd accept and would you be willing to elaborate on which american laws you think should be broken?

Thanks in advance.

First off Trump isn’t a “ruler” he’s an elected official. The “king/ruler/dictater/NAZI” slurs are just getting old and petty.

The current climate has made it evident that we as a country are divided and the Left has used the courts to impede Trump’s (and the millions who voted for him) agenda to move back to a more conservative stature.

Trump & Company aren’t so much “breaking laws” as defying the current interpretation of laws by leftist judges.

I really don’t give a rat’s ass where you think my loyalties lie. I’ve sworn to defend the Constitution several times in my life and as far as I can see you’re just some liberal tard on social media.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Rick R:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Rick R:
Trump is saying you have to break eggs to make an omelette. Considering the mess the Democrats have made of the kitchen the last few years he may need to break a lot of eggs.

If you get the vapors thinking that laws may be bruised to correct the bullshit path we’re on then you probably approved of the stuff O’Bumbles, Schumer and Pelosi pushed thru.

Remember that the Founding Fathers broke a law or two to get the US started. Hopefully we can get back on track without stacking quite as many bodies.

No Rick, Trump is seeking immunity squared and no Rick just because you disagree with a "ruler" doesn't mean you support the opposition. I think it's actually very wise, very healthy and patriotic to question and hold accountable our "rulers" unless their name is Khomeini or Hussein or Putin.

The Founding Fathers were guilty of treason against the Crown and of course most of us here think that was the right thing to do. That you think there's a parallel between our Revolutionary War and Trump's social media rants makes me wonder about your loyalty.

Rick, is there a size of stacked bodies of your fellow Americans you'd accept and would you be willing to elaborate on which american laws you think should be broken?

Thanks in advance.

First off Trump isn’t a “ruler” he’s an elected official. The “king/ruler/dictater/NAZI” slurs are just getting old and petty.

The current climate has made it evident that we as a country are divided and the Left has used the courts to impede Trump’s (and the millions who voted for him) agenda to move back to a more conservative stature.

Trump & Company aren’t so much “breaking laws” as defying the current interpretation of laws by leftist judges.

I really don’t give a rat’s ass where you think my loyalties lie. I’ve sworn to defend the Constitution several times in my life and as far as I can see you’re just some liberal tard on social media.

"Ruler" has been a bit of a standing joke around here for a while, Saeed has referred to our elected officials as such for decades. I think it's funny so I go along.

I'm not an attorney or a judge, but I think if you are "defying the current interpretation of the laws by leftist judges" that is actually breaking the law. I'm starting to get the impression that you might think the Capital Police were "leftist police", so it wasn't really a crime to assault them on January 6th.

Rick, I hope I can look forward to your resounding defeat.

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Originally posted by Rick R:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Rick R:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Rick R:
Trump is saying you have to break eggs to make an omelette. Considering the mess the Democrats have made of the kitchen the last few years he may need to break a lot of eggs.

If you get the vapors thinking that laws may be bruised to correct the bullshit path we’re on then you probably approved of the stuff O’Bumbles, Schumer and Pelosi pushed thru.

Remember that the Founding Fathers broke a law or two to get the US started. Hopefully we can get back on track without stacking quite as many bodies.

No Rick, Trump is seeking immunity squared and no Rick just because you disagree with a "ruler" doesn't mean you support the opposition. I think it's actually very wise, very healthy and patriotic to question and hold accountable our "rulers" unless their name is Khomeini or Hussein or Putin.

The Founding Fathers were guilty of treason against the Crown and of course most of us here think that was the right thing to do. That you think there's a parallel between our Revolutionary War and Trump's social media rants makes me wonder about your loyalty.

Rick, is there a size of stacked bodies of your fellow Americans you'd accept and would you be willing to elaborate on which american laws you think should be broken?

Thanks in advance.

First off Trump isn’t a “ruler” he’s an elected official. The “king/ruler/dictater/NAZI” slurs are just getting old and petty.

The current climate has made it evident that we as a country are divided and the Left has used the courts to impede Trump’s (and the millions who voted for him) agenda to move back to a more conservative stature.

Trump & Company aren’t so much “breaking laws” as defying the current interpretation of laws by leftist judges.

I really don’t give a rat’s ass where you think my loyalties lie. I’ve sworn to defend the Constitution several times in my life and as far as I can see you’re just some liberal tard on social media.

"Ruler" has been a bit of a standing joke around here for a while, Saeed has referred to our elected officials as such for decades. I think it's funny so I go along.

I'm not an attorney or a judge, but I think if you are "defying the current interpretation of the laws by leftist judges" that is actually breaking the law. I'm starting to get the impression that you might think the Capital Police were "leftist police", so it wasn't really a crime to assault them on January 6th.

Rick, I hope I can look forward to your resounding defeat.

Scott,
We aren’t discussing the actions of any of the parties culpable for January 6th. You can fuck right off and start another thread about that fiasco.

Mike,

Judges and attorneys take ages to sort out what is “constitutional” in the end the side that writes the history books (online blogs?) will decide if Trump’s actions were right or wrong and probably after we’re both worm food.

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Originally posted by Rick R:
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Scott,
We aren’t discussing the actions of any of the parties culpable for January 6th. You can fuck right off and start another thread about that fiasco.

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Originally posted by Rick R:
Trump is saying you have to break eggs to make an omelette. Considering the mess the Democrats have made of the kitchen the last few years he may need to break a lot of eggs.

If you get the vapors thinking that laws may be bruised to correct the bullshit path we’re on then you probably approved of the stuff O’Bumbles, Schumer and Pelosi pushed thru.

Remember that the Founding Fathers broke a law or two to get the US started. Hopefully we can get back on track without stacking quite as many bodies.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Rick, is there a size of stacked bodies of your fellow Americans you'd accept and would you be willing to elaborate on which american laws you think should be broken?

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Originally posted by Rick R:
The current climate has made it evident that we as a country are divided and the Left has used the courts to impede Trump’s (and the millions who voted for him) agenda to move back to a more conservative stature.

Trump & Company aren’t so much “breaking laws” as defying the current interpretation of laws by leftist judges.

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Originally posted by Rick R:

Mike,

Judges and attorneys take ages to sort out what is “constitutional” in the end the side that writes the history books (online blogs?) will decide if Trump’s actions were right or wrong and probably after we’re both worm food.

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Originally posted by Rick R:
No, you need to come to grips with the fact that the Clinton, Bush, Obama, O’Bumbles era is over...

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Rick, I hope I can look forward to your resounding defeat.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

The rational of Trumptards like Rick boggle the mind. My side can commit crimes, its fine, we are saving America, the laws don't apply to us, it's fine I have sworn to uphold the constitution several times in my life so I know what's best for the leftists.

A perfect example of what is wrong with politics in America today. Thanks for contributing Rick.

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Originally posted by Rick R:
...and the less than eloquent but quite popular orange dude is going to play Wreck It Ralph through the 50 year plan to Make America Behave.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . like roaches when the light comes on.

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . like roaches when the light comes on.

A lawyer using a cockroach as a comparison, now there is irony.

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Originally posted by MJines:
I think that is right Joshua. They realize that if they say anything in defense of the statement it exposes them as not being the Constitutional law and order patriots they like to tout themselves as being. So they keep their mouths shut while silently cheering the statement. Sort of chickenshit but that’s just how they roll. Every once in a while a dumb one like Rick will come along though.

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Originally posted by ismith:
How many lawyers can dance on the head of a pin?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Someone in another thread used the Allegory of the Cave. It may have been jeffee, but he used it wrong as I recall.

The thing I find most disturbing and perhaps disappointing is that even when presented a convincing argument, hard core MAGAdites don't learn. They just retreat to argue basically the same worldview again later.

It really is beyond sad. That's because it shows the rabbit hole of polarization, the affliction upon the nation.

This affliction has a long history in human nature:

AI Overview

"The hidden message of Plato's Cave is an escape from ignorance."

"Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" describes a group of prisoners chained in a cave, only able to see shadows cast on the wall from objects carried behind them, believing these shadows to be reality; when one prisoner escapes and ascends to the outside world, he is initially blinded by the sunlight but eventually sees the true world, only to return to the cave and struggle to convince the other prisoners of the true reality, who are resistant to believing him due to their limited perspective; this represents the idea that our senses can deceive us, and true knowledge lies in the realm of ideas, not just physical perception."

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I think ideology taints the perceptions of the prisoners of it, just like the cave, perhaps more so. The evidence of that idea is clear.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . Constitution be damned. Didn’t your oath like the Orange Jesus oath include a commitment to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution? Of course it did. But it is just an inconvenience.

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Originally posted by MJines:
If Trump wants to emulate Napoleon hopefully we get to the exile stage before too long.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and all the while Lane ducks and dodges the question of whether he agrees with the statement Trump posted. Run, quick.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
On his own shitty social media site and Elon Musk's increasingly shitty Twitter Trump posted:

"He who saves his Country does not violate any Law."

As some have noted that's likely the most Un-American thing any President has ever said, apparently a paraphrase of a fake quote from Napolean.

Can we go straight to the exile on a remote island part now?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The OP was about a quote originally made by Niccolo Machiavelli. Nothing to do Napoleon.

Just because our resident DNC troll used the term emperor…doesn’t excuse historical incorrectness.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
And Trump’s statement is an adaptation of a historical false Napoleon quote.
I see you have not answered the first question. That is common for you.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and all the while Lane ducks and dodges the question of whether he agrees with the statement Trump posted. Run, quick.

I could care less that he said it. Bothers me not in the least. I will leave that conversation to you gossipy old hens at your knitting party.

What I am happy about is the fact that maybe we can clean up and utilize the structures on the south Texas ranch as human traffic has ceased.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

I could care less that he said it. Bothers me not in the least.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is an actual quote of Niccolo Machiavelli.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Except that FDR did violate established law and precedent in many places. His view was very much like what Trump said.

The big difference being that a lot more folks agreed with him than with Trump now.

You pointed out the SCOTUS packing... getting your own partisans into the supreme court and then changing bedrock precedent seems to be very Rooseveltian.

Then there was the wholesale violations of established international law with the lend lease act. Again, most everyone agrees he did the right thing, but it was a violation of law...

So Trump's behavior is neither unprecedented nor wholly out of the national character... its just that he's doing it with much less popular support than happened in the past.

You can also debate his comparative morality, but that's not a question of law...

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Except FSR never said anything like that.

He ran against historical, but not legal precedent. As soon as the politics permitted the Constitution was amended to enshrine the two term tradition as part of our government.

Oh, and despite what most history books say, FDR won the court packing debate. Folks resigned, he was able to appoint a majority that agreed w his view of the federal government which was obtained through Congress passing laws.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
It is an actual quote of Niccolo Machiavelli.

I think you're correct, attributing the quote to Machiavelli. But that's all you're correct about.

Napolean said something similar in one of his books, supposedly.

But the OP is correct. He used the word "Fake".

Machiavelli did spend the latter part of his life in exile.

I can see why you are fixated on Machiavellianism.

The point is that Trump said it and meant it or to get attention or both.

https://youtu.be/xKTGvkSq4Sc?si=MHnNxEEncNyCteWa

Power is the Ultimate Pivot | Machiavellianism EXPLAINED

https://youtu.be/I4hWF_KcYAc?si=MSbG-nrZx5GPqg2R

7 Signs of Machiavellianism: The Unexplained Dark Triad Trait

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Machiavelli is often criticized for advocating a pragmatic, sometimes ruthless approach to politics.