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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . you gotta be quite the homophobe to boycott a beer brand based on the fact the beer company tries to market to homosexuals. Some of you guys must think you are going to “catch queer” if you get too close to “one”.

It is bizarre.

I saw an interesting discussion on NPR last evening regarding how trans issues have replaced abortion in the hearts and minds of those who must keep all of us safe from such things.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . you gotta be quite the homophobe to boycott a beer brand based on the fact the beer company tries to market to homosexuals. Some of you guys must think you are going to “catch queer” if you get too close to “one”.

It is bizarre.

I saw an interesting discussion on NPR last evening regarding how trans issues have replaced abortion in the hearts and minds of those who must keep all of us safe from such things.

It's not bizarre at all.
We (Conservatives) don't need a Boogeyman or a cause célèbre to rally around.
I have no need for group think and I don't need to be convinced or coerced into agreeing to falsehoods.
What is plain to see is that the Left - in this case the transgender movement - is peddling a lie to the public and is using the broad acceptance of the lie as a tool to attack and punish those who do not agree with the lie.
It's been noted that if one accepts homosexuality as normal, and gender dysphoria (and subsequent gender fluidity) as normal, then pedophilia normalization is not far behind.
That is not just supposition either...

I don't think I'm being an alarmist in wondering why some of these transgender men have a strong desire to introduce their sexuality to such young children or, in the case of Dylan Mulvaney, to pretend that he is a woman in such an overt and public arena.
Well, OK, in his case it's mostly for money...

I'm just fine being labeled whatever it is you want to label me if it is for believing or expressing the truth.

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We (Conservatives) don't need a Boogeyman or a cause célèbre to rally around.

That seems to be SOP in the GOP.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . you gotta be quite the homophobe to boycott a beer brand based on the fact the beer company tries to market to homosexuals. Some of you guys must think you are going to “catch queer” if you get too close to “one”.

It is bizarre.

I saw an interesting discussion on NPR last evening regarding how trans issues have replaced abortion in the hearts and minds of those who must keep all of us safe from such things.

It's not bizarre at all.
We (Conservatives) don't need a Boogeyman or a cause célèbre to rally around.
I have no need for group think and I don't need to be convinced or coerced into agreeing to falsehoods.
What is plain to see is that the Left - in this case the transgender movement - is peddling a lie to the public and is using the broad acceptance of the lie as a tool to attack and punish those who do not agree with the lie.
It's been noted that if one accepts homosexuality as normal, and gender dysphoria (and subsequent gender fluidity) as normal, then pedophilia normalization is not far behind.
That is not just supposition either...

I don't think I'm being an alarmist in wondering why some of these transgender men have a strong desire to introduce their sexuality to such young children or, in the case of Dylan Mulvaney, to pretend that he is a woman in such an overt and public arena.
Well, OK, in his case it's mostly for money...

I'm just fine being labeled whatever it is you want to label me if it is for believing or expressing the truth.

Well written!

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I don't think I'm being an alarmist in wondering why some of these transgender men have a strong desire to introduce their sexuality to such young children

And millions of "normal" men project their sexuality on young women. Something like 75% of all women admit to having been sexually abused, half of them by relatives. You choose to worry about a problem that is pretty much non existent. I'm willing to say that if you ask 100 kids if they even know somebody who is transgender 99 will admit they don't. I'm 74 and I know one, only because I was told so. I don't even know the guys name.

Thats a false argument though. Men projecting thier sexuality on young woman happens, but its not condoned. And it has not been allowed into schools or places frequented by children.
Rarity dose not mean when it does happen that its acceptable.
Now personally I dont have an issue with a trans person working or helping out at school. But thier attire and attitude must be respectable and professional. Like any other person who enters such a place.
What we see happening now, no matter how limited, is akin to allowing strippers have access to the class room. Id be just against that happening as this.
I think rather than calling people homophobes, sit back and realise that its more about the over sexualisation and confusion of adolescents.
Childern at some point need to learn about reproduction and safety and treating others with respect in a sexual context. I Was in the first year class in our country where sexual education was introduced too the curriculum. Not once did we have a teacher interact us while wearing a bikini, codpiece,fishnet stockings or anything else. Not ince in my entire schooling did we ever have a teacher or adult in the school environment feel the need to tell us about thier gender or sexual preferences. And yes I had a homosexual teacher. Everyone knew he was gay because it was a small town and he was quite comfortable attending events in school or the community with his partner in exactly the same manor as any other teacher with a partner. He was a good teacher and thats all that mattered.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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I don't think I'm being an alarmist in wondering why some of these transgender men have a strong desire to introduce their sexuality to such young children

And millions of "normal" men project their sexuality on young women. Something like 75% of all women admit to having been sexually abused, half of them by relatives. You choose to worry about a problem that is pretty much non existent. I'm willing to say that if you ask 100 kids if they even know somebody who is transgender 99 will admit they don't. I'm 74 and I know one, only because I was told so. I don't even know the guys name.

It’s not a guy, it’s a girl, remember??

70 million people voted for trump in spite of Katie Johnson, so somebody is apparently OK with it.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Thats a false argument though. Men projecting thier sexuality on young woman happens, but its not condoned. And it has not been allowed into schools or places frequented by children.
Rarity dose not mean when it does happen that its acceptable.
Now personally I dont have an issue with a trans person working or helping out at school. But thier attire and attitude must be respectable and professional. Like any other person who enters such a place.
What we see happening now, no matter how limited, is akin to allowing strippers have access to the class room. Id be just against that happening as this.
I think rather than calling people homophobes, sit back and realise that its more about the over sexualisation and confusion of adolescents.
Childern at some point need to learn about reproduction and safety and treating others with respect in a sexual context. I Was in the first year class in our country where sexual education was introduced too the curriculum. Not once did we have a teacher interact us while wearing a bikini, codpiece,fishnet stockings or anything else. Not ince in my entire schooling did we ever have a teacher or adult in the school environment feel the need to tell us about thier gender or sexual preferences. And yes I had a homosexual teacher. Everyone knew he was gay because it was a small town and he was quite comfortable attending events in school or the community with his partner in exactly the same manor as any other teacher with a partner. He was a good teacher and thats all that mattered.

Don’t interject too much common sense.

But I wonder how we people managed to survive when we had absolutely zero sex-education. I graduated high school in 1982 and we had none.

But we were raised breeding farm animals and birthing them.

Yep probably is more an urban issue. However I guess we survived by making mistakes, ( An oxymoron I know.) and Id hazard that quite a few young women found themselves with a much more difficult life through experimentation.

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You choose to worry about a problem that is pretty much non existent. I'm willing to say that if you ask 100 kids if they even know somebody who is transgender 99 will admit they don't.

You are completely in the dark then.
My 14yo daughter is a freshman in High School and she says that about 20% of the kids at school claim to be gender fluid, homosexual or present as transgender.
I think that's high, but it is a noticeable percentage.

The point is that young kids are very impressionable as they navigate their youth and how they interact with the opposite sex.
All barriers and norms concerning sexuality have been disrupted which, I believe, only adds to the awkwardness and confusion these kids would experience in a normal adolescent and pre pubescent atmosphere.
The statistics regarding detrimental side effects of this trend are more than obvious but the worst of it won't be apparent for about 10-15 years.
There will be innumerable ruined lives in the wake of this transgender movement.

So what. That is the providence of those kids and those parents.

It is not a trans person sexually abusing them.

Of course, if you think being gay is a moral evil, then I see the problem.

The issue is, it takes more turn your moral, religious view point to legislate.

Gay people are no less and no more evil than you.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
So what. That is the providence of those kids and those parents.

It is not a trans person sexually abusing them.

Of course, if you think being gay is a moral evil, then I see the problem.

The issue is, it takes more turn your moral, religious view point to legislate.

Gay people are no less and no more evil than you.

And we all know you are god and what you say/think goes.

Back to the OP.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
So what. That is the providence of those kids and those parents.

It is not a trans person sexually abusing them.

Of course, if you think being gay is a moral evil, then I see the problem.

The issue is, it takes more turn your moral, religious view point to legislate.

Gay people are no less and no more evil than you.

And we all know you are god and what you say/think goes.

We all know you want to impose your religious views through law.
I am not God and do not pretend to speak for him. I speak for the civil law.

We all know you believe to know God above all. You do not.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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You choose to worry about a problem that is pretty much non existent. I'm willing to say that if you ask 100 kids if they even know somebody who is transgender 99 will admit they don't.

You are completely in the dark then.
My 14yo daughter is a freshman in High School and she says that about 20% of the kids at school claim to be gender fluid, homosexual or present as transgender.
I think that's high, but it is a noticeable percentage.

The point is that young kids are very impressionable as they navigate their youth and how they interact with the opposite sex.
All barriers and norms concerning sexuality have been disrupted which, I believe, only adds to the awkwardness and confusion these kids would experience in a normal adolescent and pre pubescent atmosphere.
The statistics regarding detrimental side effects of this trend are more than obvious but the worst of it won't be apparent for about 10-15 years.
There will be innumerable ruined lives in the wake of this transgender movement.

100%. They are trying their best to make mental illness fashionable.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
So what. That is the providence of those kids and those parents.

It is not a trans person sexually abusing them.

Of course, if you think being gay is a moral evil, then I see the problem.

The issue is, it takes more turn your moral, religious view point to legislate.

Gay people are no less and no more evil than you.

And we all know you are god and what you say/think goes.

God junior!

How would you treat gender dysphoria?

Feel free to consult with our veterinarian.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
So what. That is the providence of those kids and those parents.

It is not a trans person sexually abusing them.

Of course, if you think being gay is a moral evil, then I see the problem.

The issue is, it takes more turn your moral, religious view point to legislate.

Gay people are no less and no more evil than you.

And we all know you are god and what you say/think goes.

We all know you want to impose your religious views through law.
I am not God and do not pretend to speak for him. I speak for the civil law.

We all know you believe to know God above all. You do not.

One thing 100% for sure is that “you” do not know. And all of your profound statements (like they are chiseled on Moses’s tablet) are nothing more than your opinions.

My statements are no more profound than yours. You do not know God treats all abortions as murder. The New Testament says nothing about gay people.

However, you cast a lot of stones for someone who has been married twice. What did Jesus tell the woman at the well? Have as many marriages as you need/ desire. I do not believe in forcing some people’s religious views in divorce upon all of us.

You want to make your religious opinions the governing principles of our civil government.

Unlike you, I have provided scripture to back up my opinions.

I forgot. You agree scripture is dependent upon the culture it is placed in. You just think you should define those limits.

Show me in the New Testament where Jesus or the Apostle books continue to Old Testament condemnation on gay marriage/union.

The same Old Testament that sanctioned sec outside of monogamous marriage. It can’t be done, but cause no such scripture exist.

As Jesus told Peter, “ What I have called clean, let no man call unclean.”

They are God’s to say. God can, you do not get to.

Go vote due a man who tried to keep power when he was legitimately beaten. You think that is the Lord’s work too.

We have a saying in KY about people like you, “ More holier then the Pope.”

Have you been researching me?

Plenty of scripture to back “my opinion” and plenty has been quoted. I err on the side of life. How, when, or where a person was conceived does not change the value of the soul to God.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
How would you treat gender dysphoria?

Feel free to consult with our veterinarian.

As previously mentioned several times, the Vet has a fairly good handle on biology and physiology, but anyway,....

Were it me in my house with my two step kids and daughter, I would "treat" gender dysphoria with love and compassion, truck loads of caution and so to speak conservatism, with generous helpings of education and sought out wisdom.

Meaning, immediate should be obviously continued care for the child. Consideration and recognition of their feelings with some accomodations like wardrobe and activities, i.e., if they now think their a boy I'm not going to force pink skirts, if they think they're now a girl I'm not going to force boys sports teams. If switching bathrooms and lockerrooms is suddenly an issue I know a couple meetings with school staff could make for accomodations like unisex or their own bathroom, private dressing rooms and the like. It would be outrageous for me or any other family of a 12 year old boy to suddenly insist he be called Shirley and he's the new girls volleyball team star player.

I would advise mine or any kid that just because they feel it's now time for this 180 reversal of any kind doesn't necessarily mean the rest of the world is and so all their change will have to come incrementally, slowly, in baby steps. If you want to grow your hair out, that's fine, no, we're not scheduling sex change surgery this summer before school starts.

Finally, yeah, for now Daddy does know best. I take full responsibility for my kids, their triumphs are my fault, their failures are entirely my fault. I bear sole responsibility for my offsprings travels down the path to adulthood and it's my job to keep them on that path and minimize the stubbed toes so they can make progress on the path. On the way to adulthood exploration off the path is limited.

Especially considering our history, modern parents should see plainly that children need guidelines, parameters, boundaries. "Youth" isn't a meadow of endless pleasures and distractions to prance thru and the two adults that made that kid should be, can be best suited to guide on the "Straight and Narrow".

physiology?

Yeap, being a Ver is sufficient to override the consensus of Human Medicine in the issue.

Dr. Easter is a very well trained and practiced vet. He is not an authority on human sexuality nor gender dysphoria.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

And we all know you are god and what you say/think goes.

Pot, meet kettle.

Says the guy who wants to bring you Jesus, whether you want him or not.

There is no “consensus” in the medical community.

Organizations who put out White Papers on topics like Gender Dysphoria do not poll their membership for majority. It is usually done by select committee appointed by the executive committee.

I know a lot of human doctors. I know none who believe it to be anything other than a type of mental illness.

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Says the guy who wants to bring you Jesus, whether you want him or not

True story.

Back to the OP.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
physiology?

Yeap, being a Ver is sufficient to override the consensus of Human Medicine in the issue.

Dr. Easter is a very well trained and practiced vet. He is not an authority on human sexuality nor gender dysphoria.

Didn't say override did I?
He is an educated medical professional and his thoughts should carry weight.

As a reminder, Doc expressed early skepticism regarding corona avoidance and face masks, was roundly condemned here, and in the end was correct.

No, I wouldn't take Docs advice regarding human sexuality or gender dysphoria as Biblical, but it's likely worth consideration.

Ledvm's judgment is skewed by his religion and politics.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Ledvm's judgment is skewed by his religion and politics.

. . . in spades.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Ledvm's judgment is skewed by his religion and politics.

Was he wrong about the masks r.e. Corona?

Not saying I didn't wear em, I did since that seemed the conventional wisdom and only recently threw the last of them away, but you probably read the Lilliputian Jines and Schrodinger hump Docs leg relentlessly and it turns out, "Horse Doc" and all, Doc was right.

No, he's not right on the masks. Otherwise they wouldn't still wear them at doctors' offices and hospitals.

Dude,

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/10...ree-experts-weigh-in

Scott, did you read that article you cite? Excerpts:

"Older persons, people of any age who have a serious underlying illness, heart disease, lung disease, diabetes, if you're immune compromised," Schaffner said, "keep wearing that mask."

"I have come to calibrate my mask wearing based on my best educated guess as to the possibility that someone has COVID and also how important is it for me to do the thing without a mask," Wachter says.

While he's no longer concerned about dying or serious illness, the virus can still knock you out. Wachter watched firsthand as his wife recovered from a bout of long COVID-19. He evaluates it case by case. A small gathering where everyone is vaccinated and windows open may not require one. But sitting on an airplane or in a large, crowded theater might be a good idea to do one.

"Those places, I'm wearing a mask now, and I suspect I will wear a mask forever," Wachter said.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Says the guy who wants to bring you Jesus, whether you want him or not

True story.

And a sad one at that.....

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Ledvm's judgment is skewed by his religion and politics.

. . . in spades.

Everyones judgement is skewed by their beliefs and politics.
We shouldn't make that the detriment of others without first recognising our own.

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Ledvm's judgment is skewed by his religion and politics.

. . . in spades.

Everyones judgement is skewed by their beliefs and politics.
We shouldn't make that the detriment of others without first recognising our own.

But most of us believe in keeping our beliefs at home and allowing others to live a life consistent with their own beliefs, not Lane though, he knows what is best for everyone.

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Ledvm's judgment is skewed by his religion and politics.

. . . in spades.

Everyones judgement is skewed by their beliefs and politics.
We shouldn't make that the detriment of others without first recognising our own.

I'm wondering if you read my remark in context.

I wasn't the one giving opinions outside my area of expertise.

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Show me in the New Testament where Jesus or the Apostle books continue to Old Testament condemnation on gay marriage/union.

Here's four.

Romans 1:26–27:

"For this reason [viz. idolatry], God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10:

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

1 Timothy 1:9-10:

"Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine"

JUde 1:7:

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

Now, since you brought religion into the conversation, you make the common mistake that Jesus and the New Testament, discarded the Old Testament.
This isn't at all true. They built upon the Jewish Law and traditions.

You seem to uphold the validity of transgenderism based on establishing truth through consensus.
Enough people believe it's OK so everybody has to accept it as OK. (?)
I'd submit that more Americans believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and the Son of God than believe that a man can attain female status just by desire or through body modification.
So, where does that leave us? The majority wins?
Of course, you guys would have none of that.

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Originally posted by Huvius:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . you gotta be quite the homophobe to boycott a beer brand based on the fact the beer company tries to market to homosexuals. Some of you guys must think you are going to “catch queer” if you get too close to “one”.

It is bizarre.

I saw an interesting discussion on NPR last evening regarding how trans issues have replaced abortion in the hearts and minds of those who must keep all of us safe from such things.

It's not bizarre at all.
We (Conservatives) don't need a Boogeyman or a cause célèbre to rally around.
I have no need for group think and I don't need to be convinced or coerced into agreeing to falsehoods.
What is plain to see is that the Left - in this case the transgender movement - is peddling a lie to the public and is using the broad acceptance of the lie as a tool to attack and punish those who do not agree with the lie.
It's been noted that if one accepts homosexuality as normal, and gender dysphoria (and subsequent gender fluidity) as normal, then pedophilia normalization is not far behind.
That is not just supposition either...

I don't think I'm being an alarmist in wondering why some of these transgender men have a strong desire to introduce their sexuality to such young children or, in the case of Dylan Mulvaney, to pretend that he is a woman in such an overt and public arena.
Well, OK, in his case it's mostly for money...

I'm just fine being labeled whatever it is you want to label me if it is for believing or expressing the truth.

Bull fucking shit.

"It's been noted that if one accepts homosexuality as normal, and gender dysphoria (and subsequent gender fluidity) as normal, then pedophilia normalization is not far behind.
That is not just supposition either..."

Show me one peer-reviewed accepted piece of scientific research that supports this utterly nonsensical statement.