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Lays hands on agents. I am aware he is also running for mayor NYC Comptroller Brad Lander detained by ICE agents https://share.google/zwa60DdluYpUHZSAP opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | ||
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Here ya go, spin doctor. He was on his way out & had done nothing. He did ask for the warrant https://www.msnbc.com/top-stor...-new-york-rcna213573 | |||
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He isn't a party in the situation and not the guys lawyer, "spin doctor" and being uninvolved he put his hands on LEO and interfered with offical duties. The video is obvious opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Hey, close enough, if this had been a GOP guy during obamas reign, would you have the same story? Of course not, hypocrite opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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He didn't touch anybody until they went after him 1st. Why not just admit you are a nazi brown shirt ass kisser, or close enough? | |||
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The courts have not been kind to law enforcement who arrest third parties who speak displeasure alone to arrest or law enforcement presence. | |||
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He just needed his face on TV.....pathetic stunt! He should have a margarita with a gang banger too! | |||
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A) He ain’t winning the mayor’s race. B) Had and if he used force or touched ICE acting within the scope of authority, he gone. And C) If all he did was be present and yelled some stuff, including profanity, the S. Ct., has said that is insufficient to make an arrest. Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971); Lewis v. City of New Orleans, 415 U.S. 130 (1974); and Gregory v. City of Chicago, 394 U.S. 111 (1969). The appellate courts have carved out true threat exception. Meaning when someone makes a declaration of a true, non-conditional, threat or incitement to lawlessness. More likely than not he can film ICE arrest and interactions. The S. Ct., has never overruled that holding from Glik v. Cunniffe, 655 F.3d 78 (1st Cir. 2011). Most Fed Circuits have adopted this rule. The lack of Circuit division is one reason it has never went to the Supreme Court. Thus, he being present for ICE law enforcement actions and yelling at them is not a crime. There is recent caselaw that makes it somewhat easier to sue law enforcement who violate your rights. | |||
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Joshua, did you watch the video? You might, it will clear things up for you. The arrested is clinging to the illegal, pushing ice hands away, refusing to follow lawful orders, demanding to see a "judical" warrant, refusing to comply, and absolutely inferring with ice lawful duties. Less than a minute of video opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I clicked on your hyperlink. The video is of headlines they did not include video of this incident. There was a photo of that man in custody. Again, if all he is doing is telling dnd refusing to leave, that is going to have a hard time surviving judicial scrutiny based on the S. Ct., and Fed Cir. Ct., law above. If he touched an officer, he gone. | |||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_cT0GQln1w brad thinks obstruction is an authority question for his made up scenario oh, and apparently "brad" has been doing it for weeks opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Yep, in a just world legal consequences. In KY, that would be Obstructing governmental operations. (1) A person is guilty of obstructing government… c) The obstruction, impairment or hindrance of an arrest. I’m sure the Feds have a similar charge. | |||
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He asked if they had a warrant. They jumped him like the piece of shit nazi thugs Trump wants Welcome to the new Trump America where American citizens are not safe | |||
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No, he is actively holding on, pulling the guy they are trying to arrest. No. The cases above do not protect, recognize as protected speech, this behavior. Had he just stood there and asked to see a warrant, the law would agree with you. He did not. The law does not so permit. | |||
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And shouldering into officers, refusing legal orders, still not allowing officers to do their job, and clear obstruction charges, and NO Standing to demand a warrant Had a gop dude done the same for anyone, there would be riots opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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You can stand and yell just about all you want. The law protects that. It does not allow, permit, nor protect physical actions. He has a hold of the guy. He is pulling along. He is refusing orders (not dispositive). It is very crowded. He is physically holding on to the detainee. Again, a very close, tight crowd. He is pulling the detainee while bumping LE. He needs to be treated like everyone else and feel the stick. My biggest issue is he is physically holding the guy they are trying to remove from this tight crowd. Clear violation of our state statute. Sorry, the law is just not in this guys side. If someone wants to make a policy, morality argument. Okay, but there are better examples to use. I mean John Brown is a folk hero now. His actions were wrong, but he was lionized on his tone. He also suffered the legal consequences as this man should. | |||
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