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 Hey SMACK! I'm not doubting your ability or your brother's, whomever made the shot. Since you feel the need to post your "credentials" to prove you knew what you were doing, I have some too. PM me if you feel like it and I'll fill you in. Let's just say I've done well with shotguns and rifles in competition. I shoot more rounds in a week than most "wanna-bees" do in their life. 493 yards is a chipshot for anyone who shoots as much as you. My suggestion was about caliber/ballistics choice. I would have no issue at all with the shot if it was made with an adequate caliber/velocity and there's plenty of 6.5's that fit the bill. I know sometimes happen a way you don't plan, and that's fine. I've been there. I'm glad it worked out. I hope you didn't "plan" on taking such a long shot with a round that barely delivers enough energy for a kill on that sized GAME ANIMAL. Varmints are another issue. Post some antler pics! He looks nice! | |||
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There were several long range rifles there when my brother took the shot that were more than capable of leveling that buck at that distance. My brother built the rifle and shot it to accomplish what he did, take a mulie at distance and prove his point that I don't need some super cannon of a caliber to do what he just did, Point well taken bro! SHOT PLACEMENT! Holes kill things. Thanks JWP475! In a discussion with you I realized that velocity wasn't everything and my theory of the bullet needed to stop in the animal so that every bit of energy was soaked up by it was not correct, Holes kills stuff and a hole in and a hole out is better than just one hole in. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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I guess Mark Larue, owner of "Larue Tactical" and a guy definatly in the "Know how" is as crazy as my brother. He took a Elk through and through at 405 yards with one shot using the 6.5 Grendel.I from experience consider a mature bull elk much stouter than a mature Mulie. Here is a link to Marks post on AR-15.com http://www.ar15.com/forums/top...=219&t=164444&page=2 -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Yes you do. Nice hunting, and shooting BTW. | |||
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Nothing new in this thread. Guy makes a good shot, everything works like it's supposed to, and folks who can't believe such a shot can't be done tell us it's irresponsible. Only if you are not practiced enough. My experience favors bullet construction and placement more than ME. After an 18 year affair with numerous magnums, I have sold the last one and am now shooting a .270. Shots on elk, with favorable conditions, to 600 yards are fine with me. I do practice though, at ranges well beyond this. Now everyone knows  you can't kill elk with a lowly .270, except we've been using them around here since the round was invented and it has long been a favorite. So to you sir, Good Job, Good Shooting, and thanks for a good story. | |||
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Yeah, I guess the Grendel was overkill for the muley. Your next ballistics experiment should be with the .17 HMR. Someone on the small calibers forum smoked a Bison at 296....huge exit! | |||
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I figure if a 5.56 Nato cartridge is good enough for a terrorist at any given distance then a 6.5 Grendel and a 120gr Ballistic Tip is sure good enough for a Mulie at 493 yards but then again most in their right minds have more respect for the Mulie. Im very impressed with the Buffalo being taken with the 17 HMR, he must have accounted for spin drift and the rotation of the earth during the bullets flight time to target.  -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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You know, the guy going round-n-round in this thread and calling the chosen round -- the round that killed the muley, by the way -- inadequate is the same person who elected to take a shot on a coyote at a range where his 70 grain bullet was traveling just over 1300 fps, a velocity at which I can assure you the projectile did not expand. He muffed the shot, hit the coyote in the arse and wounded it. And now he's on the pulpit preaching about someone else's shot -- a shot that resulted in a clean kill, I might add. Hmmm...  Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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I knew you'd show up bt! Hahahaha! Coyotes at 934 yards are like terrorists and steel plates; it doesn't matter where you hit 'em, it counts as a kill. You know the story well enough not to leave out the details like the coyote was anchored and finished anyway. Hardly "muffed"! Convenient for you huh? It seems one of the seafires shot one at around 700 with a .223 as well. Honorable mention at least? BTW SMACK! Thanks for your service! | |||
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With a 120 grain bullet at 2200 fps the energy (at least according to my ballistics calculator) is about 435 ft-lb and with a 200 yard sight-in the hold over would be about 90" or about 8'....FWIW /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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_____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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The Deer was taken cleanly and the bullet exited. It is rather obvious to most that the round was certanly capable and plenty. A 338 Laupa would not have killed him any DEADER, now would it? _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Exactly hes has no room to be talking. Double standard extreme he is _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Wow! I didn't realize I had a pulpit! | |||
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So anything that does the job is "adequate"? | |||
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If it does the job, then it is obviously adequate. That's a no brainer _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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IMO it's the 4th standard deviation occurrence. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Take a look at Nosler's site to see what "the non-expanding" bullet would look like!  http://www.nosler.com/Bullets/...tic-Tip-Varmint.aspx I would think you'd know better bt. You've posted some good pics of bullets and impact velocities. Actually, you're right! I pulled it out of the dog with my fingers and reloaded it! | |||
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I once shot a prairie dog at a (paced off) 523 long paces.....(I'm 6'-1") using a .223 Rem and a 50 grain TNT..... Bullet went through the prairie dog like a .22 short.....in and out and absolutely no more destruction than a .223 hole in and a .223 hole out.....killed the prairie dog.... Once I had the hold over right, I could have hit a dozen of them.....and I'd have wagered more than half would have crawled down holes and died down there. I'd be remiss to call the .223 Rem a 500 yard prairie dog gun! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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You assume all advertisments are true and factual? Bullets in animals do not always perform as advertised and since BT has tested many I'd say that he is rather qualified to make that call _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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bt more of an authority than Nosler on its own bullets? What a laugher! There goes any credibility you may have had. | |||
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Why do you always seem to be stirring the pot? "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Very well said. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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whitworth, I'm bored and it's fun to stir the pot! I like to cook. And joust with guys who have a warped idea of ballistics! | |||
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Bullets are often shown with perfect expansion a lower velocities by thier makers. Vapodogs, results below are typicl of many. Many bullets from makers do not expand as advertised on game with real world results. The best way to know whomn has zero credibility is to look in the mirror as your knowledge base and experience is limited to google
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Warped idea of ballistics? Believing in ME is about as warped as it gets....... "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Calling a round that worked perfectly "inadequate" is definately wrarped _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Calling a 4th standard deviation occurrence normal is warped IMO. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Everyone knows a long shot can go wrong ..but in this case it didnt. So congrats!! My longest shot I made was 360 yards on a Sitka Blacktail with a 300 win mag and 180 grain Ballistic tip bullets. I raked the ribcage and the bullet never entered the chest allowing the deer to escape until my buddy found it trotting along at 150 yards and neck shot it with a 340 wby. So I guess some could say my 300 winny combo is no good for 360 yards.  To me a boiler room shot and pass through is good in my book any time. -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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How do you "rake a rib cage"? Deer facing to or away and the shot down the side? | |||
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Hey jwp475c3po, Just got back from the mirror. You're right. I feel like such a rube! You know, to be thinking of larger caliber rifles with heavy for caliber bullets with lots of energy and big BC's to minimize wind drift for shooting big game like mule deer and elk! I can't believe I wasted all that time, $, & effort! And now I've learned in this thread that all you need to kill 800 to 1000 pound game animals at 400 yards is this really economical tacticool cartridge. Thanks for setting me straight! I'd use my p-dog and coyote rigs, but they're probably overkill for such feeble animals because of the velocity. At least you've given me a good reason to get rid of some unnecessary stuff and start a new project. | |||
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I hit the deer at the last rib (exactly where I wanted) and the deer was quartering away. The bullet followed the ribcage and under the shoulder to stop on the hide at the point of the shoulder. Got about 24" of penetration just outside of the chest not in it :P. -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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Weird! | |||
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The internet and guys on the forums are funny. Where else can a shot on a coyote at about 1000 yards where the difference in the hit was from the "X" ring to the "10" ring be perceived as "muffed"? Ha! Even the guy who won the F class Nationals shot "10's"! Hilarious! R | |||
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Smack - That's some pretty impressive shooting. No need to prove to anyone that you're a good shot. Continue doing what you're doing. Have fun and be well. | |||
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Your proof on the 4th standard deviation is??? _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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You should be since 493 is not long range. Long range doesn't start untill about 600 yards. 493 yards is medium range _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Hey bt! Just checked out your "ancient bow+ modern adventure=my first archery deer" thread! I had to take you off of "ignore" to try to see the photos that you posted of your recurve that you had been shooting strung backwards !!!When I took you off I was disappointed to see that you had conveniently removed all the pics  Can you please post them here or revive the thread? I'm sure folks will be interested since you're an authority on so many hunting and shooting topics!  | |||
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If it were me, I wouldn't go around admitting in public I could only get 493 yards from a deer. Lazy hunting. You can borrow money, but you can't borrow time. Don't wait, go now. Savannah Safaris Namibia Otjitambi Trails & Safaris DRSS NRA SCI DSC TSRA TMPA | |||
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