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Best thing if you fear something so much dont put your self out there. Every thing should be treated with respect, heck people are hurt by deer, pets livestock etc etc and the worst one of all is other humans.

Their is a line between fear and respect and being smart.

It seems you equate acknowledging that something can hurt you with fear.

I find that realizing something is dangerous and being smart around it. Can save one many stiches or worse.

Ill rational fear can cause one to behave or act in an inappropriate manner.

Having knowledge means one doesn't pet the bison, one doesn't try and hug bear cubs.

Some things people learn at a early age don't touch the hot stove, look both ways when crossing the street.

I grew up on a farm did a fear the cows no. But I knew to careful around cows with calves. Did a fear the bulls and boars some what. It made me very careful when it came time to handle them. But handle them we did.

One learns not to sneak up behind a horse you could get kicked.

When a horse's ears lay back and they exposé their teeth they might be thinking about biting you.

It is no different with wild animals There is normal behavior and there is behavior that causes one to take notice of.

Never seen a rabid racoon, fox or coyote. I have trapped and shot many hundreds for their fur.

That doesn't mean when I see one stumbling around. I will not be careful.

Never been close to a cape buffalo, leopard, African lion or other large critters around the world.

That doesn't mean I do not know they can be dangerous.

Into days world there are plenty of people who's agenda to put animals first people second.

Their battle cry is far more often animals are fuzzy, furry friendly forests, critter's. that never do no wrong.

It is ok if some people get chomped and killed. It is not the animals fault. If only those nasty humans haven't been there.

It is a rare attack.

Their agenda is simple.

To stop hunting

To take away are second amendment rights.

They are far more dangerous.

Then someone who's says animals can be dangerous be careful around them.

There have been reports of and pictures of Lions in Missouri as far back as I can remember. My family moved here in 1975. The Missouri Dept of Conservation has continually denied it. Even to the extend of calling game camera pictures, of what is clearly was a lion, a house cat!

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Originally posted by ElCaballero:
There have been reports of and pictures of Lions in Missouri as far back as I can remember. My family moved here in 1975. The Missouri Dept of Conservation has continually denied it. Even to the extend of calling game camera pictures, of what is clearly was a lion, a house cat!

Has become common practice with game department across the country.

When one finds a excuse others follow.

Just like recommend spray over firearms.

They follow each other in lock step.

Well it was kinda small ...

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:

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Best thing if you fear something so much dont put your self out there. Every thing should be treated with respect, heck people are hurt by deer, pets livestock etc etc and the worst one of all is other humans.

Their is a line between fear and respect and being smart.

It seems you equate acknowledging that something can hurt you with fear.

I find that realizing something is dangerous and being smart around it. Can save one many stiches or worse.

Ill rational fear can cause one to behave or act in an inappropriate manner.

Having knowledge means one doesn't pet the bison, one doesn't try and hug bear cubs.

Some things people learn at a early age don't touch the hot stove, look both ways when crossing the street.

I grew up on a farm did a fear the cows no. But I knew to careful around cows with calves. Did a fear the bulls and boars some what. It made me very careful when it came time to handle them. But handle them we did.

One learns not to sneak up behind a horse you could get kicked.

When a horse's ears lay back and they exposé their teeth they might be thinking about biting you.

It is no different with wild animals There is normal behavior and there is behavior that causes one to take notice of.

Never seen a rabid racoon, fox or coyote. I have trapped and shot many hundreds for their fur.

That doesn't mean when I see one stumbling around. I will not be careful.

Never been close to a cape buffalo, leopard, African lion or other large critters around the world.

That doesn't mean I do not know they can be dangerous.

Into days world there are plenty of people who's agenda to put animals first people second.

Their battle cry is far more often animals are fuzzy, furry friendly forests, critter's. that never do no wrong.

It is ok if some people get chomped and killed. It is not the animals fault. If only those nasty humans haven't been there.

It is a rare attack.

Their agenda is simple.

To stop hunting

To take away are second amendment rights.

They are far more dangerous.

Then someone who's says animals can be dangerous be careful around them.

Again the chance of a attack by a cougar is percentage wise so far down the list something to not worry bout. If some one is going hunting , hiking running biking etc etc percentage wise so many things that could happen to harm them before a cougar attack but yet they will still do it.
There is many radical people in both the anti hunting and hunting world and both have many that have little to no knowledge of the subject they talk bout and put out untruths.
Since I have hounds and follow cats I have to deal with both quit regularly. Hunters spread just as much BS if not more then the antis and I have seen more regulation changes and lost opportunity caused by hunters.

I think we are pretty much saying the same thing in different ways.

You are correct.

People do many things that can be dangerous.

As long as they know what they are getting into.

I do not see a problem

RAised on large ranches and leased large ranches in the high population of Mt. Lion country, trapped and go them in snares and getters. shot them over dogs and with spot light on two occasions had a freezer full of hides at one time..Lions in Texas are predatory and no season last know of in the Big bend area, have no fear of Mt Lions, none what so ever, I think problem Lions and bears have to do with BS and closed seasons for a number of years and that creates aggressive predatory animals. A 12 lb. bobcat is more aggressive than a Lion for some reason, I have never known a cowboy to get et or bit,

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I think problem Lions and bears have to do with BS and closed seasons for a number of years and that creates aggressive predatory animals.

That is a huge source of the problems we have today.

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Guys,

From the article it would seem that they could of easily have let the lion walk off. Mountain lions in most cases are quite reclusive and for me it would have been a thrill to encounter one in the circumstances described. To me it seems like some knee jerk reaction with an unnecessary outcome.

Mark

Mark do you really believe that you know what the animal was thinking and was going act.

I ran into one lion his tracks indicated he left very fast. lots of bears and lots of wolves. Most of them have been properly respectful and left post haste.

Those that didn't were looking down the barrel of the firearm I was happen to be carrying at the time.

I haven't had to shoot any of them because they left going away from me.

I can find no where that any charges were filed. So far the authorities must think it was justifiable.

I do not believe animal’s life is worth more than a human. But your argument that the lion might have attacked is weak morally and legally.

Do what one must, but do not do what one wants and trip look for justification.

If we opened best season tomorrow in WY a neck country bear coming on your elk kill is mot going to care that 10 or whatever bears were killed during season.

By PDog Shooters rational one may shoot a predator anytime one sees it. I just watched a hunting show. Brown Bear was not on license. A brown gets w/in 200 yards. The party makes their presence known the bear turns away. That is the way it should be. If the bear came, so be it. A gulf between that and see bear and shoot bear.

Likewise, a Montana game warden will tell you one is not permitted to kill a bear just to save your deer/elk kill.

I hope she is not charged. Being a MO mountain lion this should not fall under Fed jurisdiction as w a bear.

Hopefully, a good talking to and life can go on.

Not for nothing but MO winter mt lion season opens Dec 1. Are we sure this mt lion was not shot in season? Found the link on page one. Certainly, appeared out of season.

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By PDog Shooters rational one may shoot a predator anytime one sees it

Totally wrong on that account.

If the are in the position to harm and are threating you.

No problem or there is a open season on them.

Take coyotes they are shot on sight in areas 24/7/365.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/n...c6-b27f-1502068b260b


Missouri hunter convicted of illegally killing mountain lion after it traveled nearly 800 miles

Researchers ear-tagged the animal when it was a 4-week-old kitten. A hunter in Iron County illegally ended its life over a year later.


A mountain lion illegally killed in Missouri was part of a years-long research program in Nebraska. Here's why it traveled over 400 miles.

Author: Hunter Bassler
Published: 1:58 PM CDT June 19, 2025
Updated: 3:40 PM CDT June 19, 2025

IRON COUNTY, Mo. — Researchers had high hopes for the four-week-old mountain lion kitten they ear-tagged in 2023. They planned to revisit it a year later for a years-long mountain lion study in Nebraska.

A year and a half later, they'd learn the mountain lion was illegally shot and killed nearly 800 miles away in Missouri.


Joseph Licklider recently pleaded guilty to killing the state-law-protected animal in Iron County. Licklider previously told the Missouri Department of Conservation in November that he shot the mountain lion from a deer hunting tree stand while it was walking away from him. MDC determined the killing wasn't justified for numerous reasons, including photos Licklider posted on Facebook showing him and others posing with the mountain lion after it was killed.

As part of the guilty plea agreement, Licklider was forced to pay $2,000, surrender his hunting rifle, and suspend his hunting license for a year.

Nebraska has been studying numerous mountain lion populations statewide for more than 15 years, according to Sam Wilson, manager of the Game and Parks Commission's Furbearer and Carnivore Program. He said researchers had originally found the mountain lion as a kitten in March of 2023 near the Niobrara Valley Preserve because its mother had been fitted with an electronic GPS collar for the study.


"We never saw that kitten again," Wilson told 5 On Your Side. "The next time I got information about that cat was that it had been killed in Missouri."

It's not the first time a mountain lion from Nebraska has been killed far from home. One of the animals traveled at least 650 miles to Minneapolis in 2023. Another walked more than 250 miles to Montana in 2022 before it was legally shot during the state's hunting season. Although multiple states surrounding Nebraska have more mountain lions, the animals from Nebraska are easily identifiable by the study's ear tagging process.

It's common for mountain lions to walk hundreds of miles away from home, according to Wilson. Almost all young male mountain lions will travel long distances from where they were born to find female mates. The mountain lion on the prowl in Missouri was doing just that, but likely wouldn't have run into a female mountain lion until it reached Florida.


"Mountain lions in any of our populations...sometimes make a choice to go east where females don't disperse as far or as often, so they don't encounter females when they head east and they just keep walking," Wilson said. "They'll never stop...the next mountain lion it would have run into would have been the Florida panther. I don't know of any resident female populations between here and there."

"Kitten"? Lions have cubs. All big cats have cubs. WTF.

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You are right about that. Funny thing is none of them ever sacrifice themselves.

Actually there was this idiot, and I think it behooves us to remember;

https://allthatsinteresting.com/timothy-treadwell

The "Animals are people too" crowd made him into a hero. To me he is a poster child for leftist stupidity.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
This will really upset the urbanite fur-baby crowd.

Poor kitty!

I caught a mountain line on trail camera last month twice in SW GA. Theoretically we don’t have them here. Tried to report it to Fish and Game. They never bothered to call me back. The 3 S solution now in effect.

So, if a cop shot someone just for looking at him, that would be ok? Book em!

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So, if a cop shot someone just for looking at him, that would be ok? Book em!

The laws governing shooting of animals are normally different then the laws governing the shooting of people.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
I caught a mountain line on trail camera last month twice in SW GA. Theoretically we don’t have them here. Tried to report it to Fish and Game. They never bothered to call me back. The 3 S solution now in effect.

It's no doubt a Florida lion looking for new territory.

I suppose that’s possible but the nearest known Florida panther population is about 250 miles as the crow flies southward and a lot further traversing the terrain. Who knows???