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Originally posted by Nganga:
I don't believe Wolves practice infanticide if the Alpha male is killed do they?

Steve

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...regardless of quota.

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STU,

I could not agree with you more about the Save benig very well managed.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:

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STU,

I could not agree with you more about the Save benig very well managed.

Then you would also have to agree that 505 did nothing irresponsible when he pulled the trigger on that cat.

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...I would not shoot a lion in the dark with a skyline image to make out that it was the male I wanted to take on a trophy hunt.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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...I would not shoot a lion in the dark with a skyline image to make out that it was the male I wanted to take on a trophy hunt.

Lane,
Does it seem the slightest bit rediculous that you are talking about what you would do on a lion hunt when you have never lion hunted? You have had neither the financial investment, time/effort investment, you have watched neither the situation nor the sign nor the actual animal we are talking about. You have not spent 6-7 14 hour nights in the blind, fighting exhaustion, scared if you sleep for a minute that you could miss your opportunity. You have not sat in the blind while the lions sat 5 yards in front of you shouting in your face all night, nor were you in the blind when the lioness walked up 3 feet in front of you and stared in your face. You have never stepped out of the lion blind after not seeing the male you heard, just to find his spoor where he stood at the back of the blind while you were in it.

I have, I worked my ass off and made the money, I took the chance and paid for the hunt knowing that I might not succeed, I left my family and hunted my ass off for 15 days trying to out maneuver one of the smartest creatures I have ever hunted, and when he finally screwed up, I put a bullet through his heart. What have you done?

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Ben,

I did not ever use the word irresponsible you did.

Here is what I will say.

>>>It was completely dark, light was not an option as the male would not stand fo it. I could see his mane (outline) in the moonlight and he looked to be 40% larger than the female. i shot him<<<

For me...I would not shoot a lion in the dark with a skyline image to make out that it was the male I wanted to take on a trophy hunt.

It would be different if it was a life or death situation or a problem animal that had to be taken out.

That is me though.

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505,
Congratulations on your lion hunt. You obviously got your money's worth. However, 15 days of hard hunting following a PH around doesn't make you more "credible" in a discussion on lion conservation than Lane, or any one else that hasn't "hunted" lion before? Am I wrong?

Irrespective of everything, you have to agree that there was some degree of irresponsibility in pulling the trigger under the circumstances you described? It worked out great so congratulations for that but the saying "better to be lucky than good" comes to mind.

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Originally posted by gerryb:
Some times you just know when to shoot not to say sometimes its a bad move but not always.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:

Bwanna, where was the irresponsibility? Just because you can't shoot as well as 505 doesn't make it irresponsible. A good man knows his limitations. Stick to yours.