My 35 Whelen is built arounf a Mark X action with a 26 inch Magnaported barrel 1:14 Twist that continually produces sub MOA@100 yards and drops bucks and boars in their tracks.

This being said, with the CZ factory rifles in 9.3X62 it is a toss up about where to go. I like the 35 but if one must spend the extra for a custom job I would go with the 9.3. Let's face it they are both supberb rounds.

500 Grains
Whelen Anonymous..That's Preposterous..
AK

9.3x62. You'll love it.

I get a kick out of the 9.3x62 supporters. Apparently, they consider it a legitimate round that will kill anything and the .35 Whelen a bastard that should have been drowned at birth.
It's kind of like my big brother can kick you big brother's ass.
Who really gives a damn as to which round came out first? A good reason why it (the 9.3) may never have been used here in the early days is one, probably most people hadn't heard about it, two, adversion to anything with a metric handle, especially if it was German, and three, the Whelen was well touted in the American gun press of the era.
The Whelen was designed to use heavy bullets with 250 gr. being the lightest and 300 gr. for the really big stuff. The fact that the 1 in 12" twist also worked well with 200 gr. bullets was just serendipity.
I do belive that the people at Ruger and Remington had their heads up their collective asses when they went with a 1 in 16" twist. The 1 in 16" twist will work with bullets up to 250 gr., but I don't know about anything heavier. I only have 35 of the old Hornady 275 gr. bullets, and I'm not going to waste them trying to find out if the 1 in 16" will shoot them well, nor will I shoot them in the custom Mauser I found at an estate sale with a 1 in 14" twist.
If it is true that Remington has dropped the 250 gr. bullet load, them a pox on them and I hope they go the way of Winchester, right down the crapper. Hell, they don't even load the round to it's proper power anyway because of the old Springfields and 1895 Winchesters that were either rebored or rebarreled to the round.
My thoughts are this. If all you ever plan to hunt is North American game, the Whelen with proper handloads is more than adequate. That was proven long before Remington legitimized the round. However, if world wise hunting is on the agenda and you want only one rifle to do it all, then maybe the 9.3x62 is the way you should go.
Me? I'll stick with the .35 Whelen. It just plain works for any of the hunting I'll ever do.
Paul B.

Paul B wrote:

quote:

Apparently, they consider it a legitimate round that will kill anything and the .35 Whelen a bastard that should have been drowned at birth.

Pretty much sums it up for me HA! Just kidding.

Here's the way I look at it.
If I was going to build a classic rifle that was on an American action i.e. Winchester I would probably choose the 35 Whelen.

If I was going to build a classic rifle on a Mauser action I would probably choose the 9.3X62.

Both are close enough.

It's a synergy thing ya know

Terry

I have two .35 Whelens (one 1:16 & one 1:14) and one 9.3X62. I like them all since they are all very accurate and effective in the field. Here in the U.S. I'd used either of them for the biggest game we have. If I go back to Africa, I'm not sure which would accompany my .375 H&H (probably the 9.3 because it started out there). Mags

I have one more comment.

If you get a 35 Whelen, you will eventually end up getting a 9.3 x 62 later anyway, so why not just skip the intermediate step?

9.3x62, has done well on many african critters.

the 9,3x62 is well regarded all over the hunting world, while the 35 Whelen never got any serious consideration anywhere else...why would they when the X62 is a .366 Whelen with 10% more bullet mass and more ME. It's just a better solution to the question.

Rich

quote:

If you get a 35 Whelen, you will eventually end up getting a 9.3 x 62 later anyway, so why not just skip the intermediate step?

Nope... Ain't happenin' here...

I have to say that there is no cartridge that is talked about more around here than the 9,3x62. And just about everyone likes it or loves it.

I don't have a rifle yet in a 9,3x62, but I will some day. Being here in Europe, unless you hand load, the .35 Whelen makes little sense. The 9,3x62 has plenty of factory ammo available and for that reason alone it's the better choice.

In the end, you choose what you like and what fits your needs best. It's ALL good.

I thank you all for your responses and with all the votes toward the 9.3 I'm thinking that the only way around this is to build one of each. I've always wanted a Whelen so I bought another action this weekend and will build one of each.
A guy can't have too many rifles , can he?

What's not to like about the 9.3?

What's not to like about the Whelen?

Kinda like an argument about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Only the real partisans for each say the other is inadequate.

Have both a LH Win 70 9.3, A 35 Whelen in a Rem 7600, & a .35 Whelen Imp on a LH Ruger 77.
The Whelen seems to have a lot less recoil.
Probably stock fit and both with 250 grain bullets. With the 286 grain bullets the range is limited with the 9.3 X 62. The Whelen is fun to shoot with pistol or cast bullets.
They both work on game and seem to really thump
animals without ecsessive recoil. The Whelens
seem to shoot great easy to load and accurate.
Have not had as much experience with the 9.3
yet to comment but. It also seems easy to load for.

quote:

Originally posted by Pegleg:
I thank you all for your responses and with all the votes toward the 9.3 I'm thinking that the only way around this is to build one of each. I've always wanted a Whelen so I bought another action this weekend and will build one of each.
A guy can't have too many rifles , can he?

Yep, the only proper thing to do is to have both!!! I have a CZ 550 in 9.3x62 and a Rem 700 CDL in .35 Whelen. Since the cartridges are so similar, I set them up in different ways regarding loads for each. I use 225 gr bullets in the .35 Whelen at around 2650 fps. (BTW: That matches the original ballistics for the old .350 Rigby Magnum.) I use the 9.3x62 as the heavy bullet cartridge with 286 gr bullets at 2400 fps.

-Bob F.

quote:

Originally posted by Iron Buck:
Go with the 35 whelen & never look back. MUCH easier finding bulets & basically the same performance. This is the USA....Metrics just don't cut it. No matter how much everyone here seems to want that to be the case.

Well well well...

It seems the patriotic sence are bigger than the commen sence (hahaha)

hey jens,

I got that answer! We'll just call it the .366 Whelen and make Iron Buck happy. Or rename the whelen the 9x63 and ruin his day. I know, via the chronograph, that my 9,3x62 will push 2500fps with a Nosler 286gr PT. Norma (I believe...?) makes a 300+ gr bullet for it.

regards,

Rich

I somehow ended up with one of each.

Front: .35 Whelen on a commercial FN action and a 22" Douglas barrel.

Rear: 9.3X62 on a 1908 Brazilian(Oberndorf) action and a 24" Bevan King barrel

The stocks are from the same plank of Black walnut.

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
hey jens,

I got that answer! We'll just call it the .366 Whelen and make Iron Buck happy. Or rename the whelen the 9x63 and ruin his day. I know, via the chronograph, that my 9,3x62 will push 2500fps with a Nosler 286gr PT. Norma (I believe...?) makes a 300+ gr bullet for it.

regards,

Rich

I´ve got the cramp now....
I like the 9.3...as a 100% Mauserfan...but as a hunter, I am sure the 35 wheelchair will do the same all day long as the 9.3!.

I just couldn`t resist making that comment

y'all r missn the best thing with the whelen...PISTOL BULLETS!!!


cheap 130 to 200 gr pistol bullets
premium 125 0r 140 gr barnes xpb's
premium gold dots ect

not to mention north forks 200 gr bullets that will kill verrrrrry well fast and flat as well as their mid heavy weights





the whelen with pistol bullets has the best bullet selection.

do the a.i. version and viola! the most efficient mid weight cal

35 Whelen? Nah, no thanks
9.3x62? never had one. I did have a Husky x57 and then jumped to a Franconia in x64.
Which would I have, why the 9.3x62.
As an aside, I prefer my x64 to my 375 Hale & Hearty. It balances beter, points more readily and whilst it's a lighter rifle, felt recoil seems less.

quote:

Originally posted by jens poulsen:

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
hey jens,

I got that answer! We'll just call it the .366 Whelen and make Iron Buck happy. Or rename the whelen the 9x63 and ruin his day. I know, via the chronograph, that my 9,3x62 will push 2500fps with a Nosler 286gr PT. Norma (I believe...?) makes a 300+ gr bullet for it.

regards,

Rich

I´ve got the cramp now....
I like the 9.3...as a 100% Mauserfan...but as a hunter, I am sure the 35 wheelchair will do the same all day long as the 9.3!.

I just couldn`t resist making that comment

I guess you guys are going to make me build a 9.3x62! If I do....it's a good thing I reload.

forget the whelen - it died with him

the 9,3 is ok.....

but why not make a real rifle out of it and make it into a 375 holland ?

that choice you would never regret.

Iron Buck,

there really is nothing wrong with the whelen, the x62 is just the better option, without moving up to 375H&H-class recoil. The 9,3x64 is a little much of a good thing...better served with a 375 in that recoil range.
There are presently four companies loading x62 ammunition and selling brass and bullets. And a few more bullet companies offering a nice range of bullets. It just offers whelen-plus performance and very good Big/DG bullets, without a lot more recoil.

Rich
DRSS
x62 fan

9.3 for me. But then I have a itch for 9.3x64.

Pick one because there's not much difference.

I've never understood the pistol bullets out of a Whelen. Just shoot a pistol then?

I've always felt that the Whelen just doesn't have enough case capacity for the 358 caliber when studying the ballistics.

But then I am partial to the 338-06 and currently own four of them. So if I'm going to fill the slot between 338 and my 416 Rigby it's either 366 or 375.

I'm leaning towards the 366, but I want more powder capacity than the x62 has to offer.

The 375 Ruger has me pondering. I'm in no hurry and may just wait to see how the Ruger pans out.

Rich - Would you be so kind as to list the companies that offere up 9.3 X 62 fodder and the bullet weights and such they have? Thanks

Larry Sellers

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Iron Buck,

there really is nothing wrong with the whelen, the x62 is just the better option, without moving up to 375H&H-class recoil. The 9,3x64 is a little much of a good thing...better served with a 375 in that recoil range.
There are presently four companies loading x62 ammunition and selling brass and bullets. And a few more bullet companies offering a nice range of bullets. It just offers whelen-plus performance and very good Big/DG bullets, without a lot more recoil.

Rich
DRSS
x62 fan

the 35 has my vote, with all the 35cal bullets around and pistol bullets and bullet molds the 9.3 just don't have a chance. I have a 9.3 and it shoots fine but so does my whelen. Just got many more choices in .35. bill439

Larry,

just from the Graf's catalog:
prvi partizan 9,3x62 285gr SP.........$12.99 per box of 20 rounds, budget blasting
brass is available
286gr SP bulk bullets $20 per hundred
Lapua 220gr Naturalis-Solid Long Range
" 270gr Naturalis-Solid
" 285gr SP Mega
" brass is also available and the three bullets
Norma is listed on the website brass and loaded 286gr ammunition
" bullets and brass also available

That is just from ONE supplier!

Nosler offers 250gr and 286gr bullets, also has brass available from their ProShop

If I had more than three minutes to and could check other sources I am sure there is more.

Just by comparison, the 35 Whelen:
Remington has 200gr ammunition and bullets and brass available
Winchester... never heard of the 35W
Federal...ditto
Norma...ditto
Grafs'...ditto
Lapua...the 35 what?
Hornady...it's a what?

The 35 Whelen is ONLY available from remington, and ONLY with a 200gr loading. For how much longer?

The x62 is everything the whelen is, and a fair measure more.

Rich
DRSS

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Rich - Would you be so kind as to list the companies that offere up 9.3 X 62 fodder and the bullet weights and such they have? Thanks

Larry Sellers

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Iron Buck,

there really is nothing wrong with the whelen, the x62 is just the better option, without moving up to 375H&H-class recoil. The 9,3x64 is a little much of a good thing...better served with a 375 in that recoil range.
There are presently four companies loading x62 ammunition and selling brass and bullets. And a few more bullet companies offering a nice range of bullets. It just offers whelen-plus performance and very good Big/DG bullets, without a lot more recoil.

Rich
DRSS
x62 fan

I find it funny when folks think they can't find 9.3 x 62 components. Bullets from Speer, Nosler, Swift, Barnes, Woodleigh, GS Custom, North Fork, Lapua and others. Brass from Grafs, Lapua, RWS, Norma and others.

If you shoot up all the components those companies have to offer, send me a PM and I will augment the list.

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Rich - Would you be so kind as to list the companies that offere up 9.3 X 62 fodder and the bullet weights and such they have?

I'm Rick not Rich, but to me the most important thing is that I can get ammo from Rick's Reloading Room.
I can easily get bullets from Barnes, Nosler or Speer and brass from Lapua, Graf or fireformed -06 brass. (I need to try some of those North Fork bullets)

Build a 9.3x62 and maybe with increased demand we'll see more ammo or bullets from the American companies.

thanks 500, if he runs exhaustive tests with all those combinations he better also ask in that PM if you know a good smith to put a new barrel on...he'll have melted that one.

Load testing for me is about two things: first I find a good fullhouse load with good accuracy, and where relevant a good cast bullet load for economy plinking. Second, I load up that hunting load and practice with it every week to get used to shooting it...offhand mostly. These softpoint prvi bullets are the best deal going. Not many calibers where you can get high quality bullets for $20 per hundred...a bulk purchase of 500 is a lot of serious hunting practice for cheap!

Rich
DRSS
9,3x62 fan

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tomo577:
forget the whelen - it died with him

If so... my "ghost" 35 Whelen is doing surprisingly well
Ruger M77 with 22" Shilen barrel 1-14, Woodleighs 250 gr.
Not very common in my part of the woods, but a potent red stag and moose rifle wich has become my favourite "go to rifle".

If one exept Africa I guess either man nor beast can tell any difference versus the 9,3x62.

It is a handloaders calibre, but so are many others. It is more or less like a choice between a blonde and a redhead, both have pros and cons ( as far as I have experienced )

Pegleg:

I have both the .35 Whelen and the 9.3X62. The Whelen is a stunning elk killer. I just shoot plain old 250 grain Speers and they shoot great. Because of the modest velocity, tough guy bullets are really not necessary.

I just got the 9.3X62 recently and frankly, I have come to like it better then my .375 H&H. Within a hundred yards or so which is where most dangerous game is shot, I think it would be every bit as effective as the .375. Buy both!

Dave

Hi, a bit late, going by the last post on this, but can I join this x62 support group? got me a CZ550 in 9.3x62 American.

The 9.3X62 has been the easiest cartridge to develope accurate loads for I've experienced in 32 years of handloading.

quote:

Originally posted by MADDOG:
I just looked in my rack.... No 35 Whelens ..But 3 - 9.3 X 62's. <img src="http://s102164210.onlinehome.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/banana.gif" alt="banana" width="33" height="35"><!--graemlin::ban:-->
I had a 35 Wh. and can't bad mouth them, they are great. Just once I had the 9.3 I will never look back.. 35 Whelen on steriods... My $.02
Thanks Maddog

Me too, exactly!!

Sauer 202 9.3x62
Sako AV 9.3x62 (all original)
Winchester classic 9.3x62

quote:

Originally posted by eljefe:
Hi, a bit late, going by the last post on this, but can I join this x62 support group? got me a CZ550 in 9.3x62 American.

Me too. Got mine a few months ago, been waiting for the right time to go into the desert and burn some powder!

Get both, that's what I did. Now I just have to decide between the 375 H&h or the new 375 ruger. but I promise not to start a thread on that topic

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:
I struggle with that same question and it just boils down to this.....(I think)......
If you are heading to the dark continent and want something for Cape buffalo the 9.3 X 62 has acceptance legally in manyplaces.....not so much as that's the best to use....it just might not be....but it's legal!

If one has a 375 H&H then the 9.3 X 62 is redundant as it's close to the same thing.....well almost!

If you're not going to Africa then the 35 whelen is about as good as it gets for large north American big game and one could even take on the big bears with it. Ammo is slightly easier to find locally and is easily made from 30-06 brass. The whelen also has a better selection of bullets with such stellar performers as a 270 grain from Northfork and a 280 grain from A-Frame. 200 grain bullets also allow it to double as a deer rifle and that helps the justification.

Hope this helps.....but it still hasn't caused me to make up my mind as I throw the 338-06 in the mix and then tell myself that there's no need at all for anything between the 30-06 and the 375 H&H...

I find my old post of January 2007 interesting......as I still believe nothing is truly needed between the .30-06 and the .375 H&H.....but I have indeed built a .35 Whelen, a 9.3 X 62 and a .338-06....
just in case a need shows up!

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Larry,

just from the Graf's catalog:
prvi partizan 9,3x62 285gr SP.........$12.99 per box of 20 rounds, budget blasting
brass is available
286gr SP bulk bullets $20 per hundred
Lapua 220gr Naturalis-Solid Long Range
" 270gr Naturalis-Solid
" 285gr SP Mega
" brass is also available and the three bullets
Norma is listed on the website brass and loaded 286gr ammunition
" bullets and brass also available

That is just from ONE supplier!

Nosler offers 250gr and 286gr bullets, also has brass available from their ProShop

If I had more than three minutes to and could check other sources I am sure there is more.

Just by comparison, the 35 Whelen:
Remington has 200gr ammunition and bullets and brass available
Winchester... never heard of the 35W
Federal...ditto
Norma...ditto
Grafs'...ditto
Lapua...the 35 what?
Hornady...it's a what?

The 35 Whelen is ONLY available from remington, and ONLY with a 200gr loading. For how much longer?

The x62 is everything the whelen is, and a fair measure more.

Rich
DRSS

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