If you own and use Shaw barrels will you please share your performance results.Thanks roger

Some are good and some are bad. I've had both. I don't plan on using another one.

I have two. One 6mm rem and a 338-06. Both shoot very well. I get 3/4 to 1 1/4 inch groups if I do my part with loads and shooting. The 6mm Rem is a very fast barrel. I get 3250fps with 100 gr bullets no problem with several powders. It is a 24" on a Yugo 98 action. I put these barrels on about 2005.

I have a Rem 700 in 308 with a varmint profile barrel with 16yr and a few thousand rounds through it. Was thinking about a new barrel and looked at the ER Shaw because of their price. The rifle will usually still print under 3/4in groups at 100yd with its original barrel - would a Shaw barrel be an improvement?

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The rifle will usually still print under 3/4in groups at 100yd with its original barrel - would a Shaw barrel be an improvement?

I doubt that anyone could guarantee an improvement over that.....shoot it until the groups go to hell......75" groups are still pretty good.

I've used several Adams & Bennett barrels from Midway. They're supposed to be Shaw barrels. They give good hunting accuracy but not tack-drivers. If you break them in properly and do a proper intall, they're capable of 1/2 M.O.A.. Price is fair and they blue nice. That's my observation.

I've had three or four of them over the years...the most recent a 26" "heavy sporter" .300 H&H on a Savage single shot target action. All have shot well except a 6mm Rem on a VZ24 action that never would stop copper fouling. The 300 H&H is shooting more accurately than the others but that's probably due to the action and cartridge rather than the barrel. Copper fouling is the only problem I've had with Shaw barrels and it usually clears up after a hundred rounds or so.

Jon

I have also heard Adams and Bennett barrels are Shaw. In that case I have a third one because the .308 I built has an A&B barrel and it cuts holes.I will say with it and my .257AI once I used the Tubbs lapping bullets they copper fouled less and shot much better.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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The rifle will usually still print under 3/4in groups at 100yd with its original barrel - would a Shaw barrel be an improvement?

I doubt that anyone could guarantee an improvement over that.....shoot it until the groups go to hell......75" groups are still pretty good.

I have to agree with Vapo. 3/4 inch for a hunting rifle is fine. Maybe you can tweak your load or bed the action? Everyone likes to cut holes but in my opinion if they shoot under an inch they are good for hunting.

Roger - I had a Shaw barrel chambered to .45-70 on a Siamese Mauser action that "Silver Sofa"
(Sterling Davenport) stocked for me in 1982. That rifle did not shoot particularly well for consistent accuracy, but that could have been me, the stock, or the barrel, or a bit of all three. Could have also been my handloads, though they shot quite well in my Pacific Ballard, and '86 Winchester.

Anyway, if you are building a rifle for field use, I wouldn't worry about the Shaws...I think they will do plenty well enough for hunting use.

On the other hand, if I was going to use the rifle in serious competition, I'd spend more money and buy a tube from a maker of more premium barrels. Everyone turns out the occasional bad barrel, but the premium makers probably increase the odds in favor of getting a really good one.

Best wishes,

AC

The rifle is a Rem700 VS - synthetic stock with an aluminum bedding block and free floated. So I don't see changing the stock as far as I know. I will stick with the factory tube for now, but as Canuck recommends, if I want to really change things I will likely go with a premium barrel.

I bought three Shaw 458 Win mag barrels for Savage rifles. I gave two as gifts (completed rifles) and kept one. The two I gave shot great, my friend says his 458 thinks it is a benchrest rifle. Its not THAT good, but it frequently shoots 1" groups. The one I kept for me is by far the worst shooter, but it shoots well enough for deer hunting.

Usually I don't like the fat contour of the cheap aftermarket barrels, but these seemed a good fit for 458's.

My friends and I have four shaw barreled rifles. Mine a 280. The others are two 7x57s and a 257Roberts. The 7x57 and 280 are on Mausers, the 257 is on a Rem, 700. They are middle and heavy sporters. None have been accurized, and we are not 'anal retentive' reloaders. All shoot sun-inch groups consistently with many different reloads. capt david

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Originally posted by bja105:
I bought three Shaw 458 Win mag barrels for Savage rifles. I gave two as gifts (completed rifles) and kept one. The two I gave shot great, my friend says his 458 thinks it is a benchrest rifle. Its not THAT good, but it frequently shoots 1" groups.

The one I kept for me is by far the worst shooter, but it shoots well enough for deer hunting.

Did you build that .458 of your's for hunting DEER?

Not getting on your case, but if you did, you are the third person I've met who did exactly that. I had a good friend who used to hunt with Pete Brown in the thick woods of the north rim of the Grand Canyon. He built a .458 Win Mag carbine on a Springfield '03 action.

He had seen so many deer with their vital areas sheilded behind trees, that he built his carbine to shoot a deer THROUGH a tree the deer might be standing behind.

Pete pooh-poohed that thinking until my friend demonstrated by shooting through a tree and killing one with Pete as a witness. Pete was so impressed, he wrote an article for Field & Stream about it. (Pete was the gun editor.)

I thought it was pretty neat too, so I built myself one, also on a Rock Island '03 action with an Atkinson barrel, both of which I bought from my friend. I still have it.......

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Originally posted by vip:
I've used several Adams & Bennett barrels from Midway. They're supposed to be Shaw barrels. They give good hunting accuracy but not tack-drivers. If you break them in properly and do a proper intall, they're capable of 1/2 M.O.A.. Price is fair and they blue nice. That's my observation.

no sir, AB is not, not, NOT SHAW - never has been.. i've called shaw and asked.. as well as talked to larry at midway .. aint green mountain either

as for shaw.. i had one in 25 and 35 .. wouldn't use again

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
Did you build that .458 of your's for hunting DEER?

Yes, its one of my favorite deer rifles. Its light, and quick into action with the Savage tang safety and a 20" barrel. It now has a 2-7x Shotgun scope, which is perfect for how I use it.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by vip:
I've used several Adams & Bennett barrels from Midway. They're supposed to be Shaw barrels. They give good hunting accuracy but not tack-drivers. If you break them in properly and do a proper intall, they're capable of 1/2 M.O.A.. Price is fair and they blue nice. That's my observation.

no sir, AB is not, not, NOT SHAW - never has been.. i've called shaw and asked.. as well as talked to larry at midway .. aint green mountain either

as for shaw.. i had one in 25 and 35 .. wouldn't use again

So did Larry tell you "who" A&B is, or is it still a deep dark secret?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
no sir, AB is not, not, NOT SHAW - never has been.. i've called shaw and asked.. as well as talked to larry at midway .. aint green mountain either

as for shaw.. i had one in 25 and 35 .. wouldn't use again

Strange.....a guy at Shaw told me a few years ago that they made the Midway A&B barrels for a time a few years prior to that.

Would a Shaw employee lie about something like that?

Maybe A&B subcontracted barrels to Shaw and Midway never knew that they were actually Shaw?....

When I asked Midway a few years ago about the A&B barrels, they told me that they had gone back and forth between Shaw and Wilson. I believe they are currently Wilson, but I could be wrong.

Larry refused to tell me who made them. The rumors I have heard and or read are
Shaw
Green mountain
Savage
And
Bauska.

Bauska couldn't even begin to keep up with production numbers.

Larry said none of these made the ab barrels. I have no idea who actually does make them, for what that's worth. I am certain that the person that would know flat out denied the 4 above

Though they do tend to be rough as a Cobb, but shoot well

That eliminates Wilson because Wilson's are as finely finished inside as any manufacturer.

Thgey dont use Green Mountain, but when you go there ,there's racks with contoured barrels and A&B boxes???? I have my doubts if there is only one maker, but several.

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I have my doubts if there is only one maker, but several.

I don't know this to be true but wouldn't bet against it either!

I have 4 Shaw barrels on Mod.200 Stevens actions. A 22-250 is MOA, the 250-3000 is there most of the time as is the 6.5x55. The 22 PPC is .5moa most of the time.A new rifle with a Shaw barrel on a Mauser action is on the way. At it's first test firing I was told 5 shots could be covered with a quarter at 100 yds.
All these barrels gather a lot of grime and copper but for me they are fun. roger

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by vip:
I've used several Adams & Bennett barrels from Midway. They're supposed to be Shaw barrels. They give good hunting accuracy but not tack-drivers. If you break them in properly and do a proper intall, they're capable of 1/2 M.O.A.. Price is fair and they blue nice. That's my observation.

no sir, AB is not, not, NOT SHAW - never has been.. i've called shaw and asked.. as well as talked to larry at midway .. aint green mountain either

as for shaw.. i had one in 25 and 35 .. wouldn't use again

Since you seem to be good, good, GOOD Friends with Larry P. maybe you know what happened to the 9.3 blanks they were listing as "coming soon" awhile back?

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Originally posted by vip:
Since you seem to be good, good, GOOD Friends with Larry P. maybe you know what happened to the 9.3 blanks they were listing as "coming soon" awhile back?

what an overstatement, the friends statement is yours, not mine. please remember that .. in 99-01 larry was much more approachable and accomodating to take a phone call...

i'd rather bug him for .475 and .510 barrels . my interest in 9.3 ranges from negative to "who cares, a .375 is a better choice, every time"

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Originally posted by theback40:
Thgey dont use Green Mountain, but when you go there ,there's racks with contoured barrels and A&B boxes???? I have my doubts if there is only one maker, but several.

got a picture of those? would LOVE to see it

please remember that .. in 99-01 larry was much more approachable and accomodating to take a phone call...

i'd rather bug him for .475 and .510 barrels . my interest in 9.3 ranges from negative to "who cares, a .375 is a better choice, every time"
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Although I agree that Larry is seemingly not in touch with his customer base The past few years I have to disagree about the 375 being a "better choice, every time" over the 9.3's. I like standard length actions and the 9.3 x 62 is a perfect mate for the 98 military actions. I do however like the 376 Steyr in these actions too.

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got a picture of those? would LOVE to see it

Jeff, I dont, as I didnt see any point.
I know Al Straitiff uses green Mt barrels with his tooling for his pistol barrels. He said he just picked up 30 or so barrels while there wrapped in A&B paper, over runs I think he said. He was selling some barrels at the last gunshow I was at, cheaper then other tables had take-offs selling for!! He had several octogon .375 cal 32 or 36" long I dont remember which. I was trying to think of what I could do with one they were so cheap.

ANYONE who isn't pleased witha hunting rifle that shoots consistantly into 3/4" should have it taken away from them

AD

All I know is I have one Shaw bbl and several A&B bbls. They all shoot better than me and most better than the average factory bbl. However I dont think I would go with a Shaw again. It took MONTHS to recieve it and my smith did the installation. With all my A&B bbls they were on the doorstep within about a week.

If I were considering another Shaw, for the price differential I think I would try a Lothar Walther.

bartsche, I had two rifles built several years ago using Shaw barrels. One was built on 1909 Argentine Mauser action in .375 H&H and the other a Model 70 in .458 Lott. Shaw did the barrel installation on both as well as opened up the action for the 375 H&H. Their work was very good and the price was great. Both rifes shot very well averaging around 1 MOA. It is a shame Shaw will no longer do the conversion of 98 Mauser's to .375 H&H length. If they did I would have another action barreled up by them and hold onto it in case I ever get the urge to build another .375.

Got word yesterday that my new rifle with Mauser action and Shaw barrel will ship Monday. This will probably be my last wildcat. roger

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Originally posted by bartsche:
This will probably be my last wildcat. roger

I'll take that bet!!!!!

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by bartsche:
This will probably be my last wildcat. roger

I'll take that bet!!!!!

What ya buildin Roger?

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by bartsche:
This will probably be my last wildcat. roger

I'll take that bet!!!!!

What ya buildin Roger?

6.5 R-Bar . Maybe come monday someone,not me, will post some bragging photos. Hint Hint. roger

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6.5 R-Bar . Maybe come monday someone,not me, will post some bragging photos. Hint Hint. roger

I just moved it to the top
click here

Geese, this thread is a lot more civilized than my "Shaw" thread!

http://forums.accuratereloadin...231040441#3231040441

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Originally posted by wildcat junkie:
Geese, this thread is a lot more civilized than my "Shaw" thread!

http://forums.accuratereloadin...231040441#3231040441

Consider ,if you will, some of the ex(spirts) doing the critique. roger

What's a 6.5 R-Bar? Do you have any pictures of it? I always liked the 6.5's.