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sorry for my ignorance by i can tell for sure 7x64 is better cartidge than 270,i have them both but brenneke is better | |||
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Inside 250 yards it doesn't matter much. Outside 250 yards will the 7mm mag be a better choice in my opinion. Most people buying a 7mm mag are not good enough shots to shoot at distances close to 250 yards or longer, so they would be better off buying a 270 in my opinion. If they want something more hard hitting than a 270 and with nicer recoil than a 7 mm mag for use out to 250 yards, then they should get a 30-06 or even a 9.3x62  | |||
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That's silly, rugman. You just pour all those left over powder bits into a big jar, still well when when full and start all over.  "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Just to throw another log on the fire, why not ask, what can the .270 do that the 7-08 can't? And the 7-08 made its rep on its own without gallons and gallons of glorifying ink from a high dollar gun writer. I concluded my speech by telling them that I was done with politics for the present, and they might all go to hell, and I would go to Texas. -- Davy Crockett 11AUG1935 | |||
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Haven't seen any mention of African game here yet, but I had tremendous luck in RSA back in 2005 with my 7 mag and 160 A Frames. Several one shot kills out to 350 meters. That is an incredible combination up to and including big kudu and gemsbok. I would even hunt eland with it, although I would prefer my .375 H&H for that. I would not use a .270 on eland, although I'd bet some diehards would and have. I've killed a busload of whitetails with a .25-06. You don't need a .270 for white tail. | |||
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Bottom line: the 7 mag is more powerful and thats all there is to it other than it comes in a more bulky, heavier, and requires a longer barrel to beat the .270 and its only balistic advantage is with 175 gr. bullets..much like the differnce in a .308 and 30-06, its there but most folks ain't counting.. That is why I have always leaned to the 270 in a light 22" barrel fwt. gun..Its my choice of the trade off. Now if you want to get down and dirty then consider the olf 30-06 it will do anything the 7 mag will do but in a fwt short tubed rifle. The 06 is king, always has been and looks like it always will be. It earned that right in the hunting fields not on some internet blog.  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I like the 7mm RM quite a bit.... with 160gr or heavier bullets. We have a .270 in the house. Kindof like having an extra kid around when it's time to eat. No big deal. It was a gift. The .270W is very similar to the .25-06 in performance on game, and the .270 makes good brass for the .25-06. I could do without both really. Id rebarrel my 7 mag but wouldn't be bothered by trading the .270 away, or selling it for scope money. | |||
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 Depends who's pulling the trigger?  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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That's my boy right there!! I love the 270 (have a few) and like the 7 Mag (have one) but i'm always finding myself reaching for the 06! My Canadian friends tell me I have a hang up on metrics!! Go figure.  | |||
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Make your shoulder hurt. Leo The only way to know if you can do a thing is to do it. | |||
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quote::TerrenceEason new member Posted 29 November 2011 20:59 Hide Post Just to throw another log on the fire, why not ask, what can the .270 do that the 7-08 can't? And the 7-08 made its rep on its own without gallons and gallons of glorifying ink from a high dollar gun writer. +1  my 7MM-08 can do what the .270 canmy .260 rem. can do what the 25-06 can and then some | |||
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A 270 will shoot flatter, and hit harder than a 7mm-08 (150g Partition at 2900 plus fps), and also can be used for varmints shooting 90g Sierra HP BTs at 3400 fps. Other than than, not much. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Seriously? Consider for a moment the context of 1925: name another high-intensity sporting cartridge suitable for big game; you have the .30-06, and...Bueler, Bueler, Bueler...? There wasn't another. Oh, sure, there was the "Super 30" (.300 H & H), but how many Americans had the $$ for that ammo? There were the .25's like the Bob & the Savage, but they topped out on deer. I suppose you could argue that there were the early Brittish 7mm hot-rods and a few obscure wildcats, but the operative word there is "obscure", and "wildcat". Simply put, from 1925 to about 1958, there just wasn't another cart that could shoot an appropriately heavy bullet as flat as the .270. And forget about "energy", or "two-holes", or any of the other modern-day desireables which we now hold sancrosanct. In those days, the only thing most sportsman were concerned with was the question, "Can I hit it at 400 yards?" Really, until the advent of the .300 Win Mag, what else was there that shot as flat or hit as hard? As to the original post: give me a 7 mag, a .270, a 7-08, or a 30-06, and anything inside 300 yards is dead. I'm not good enough to shoot much past 300, but I suppose from 300-450 a 7 mag has a theorectical advantage over the others. Lastly: since there now are any number of mid-bore bullets that assure full (if not "out the other side") penetration on even moose & elk, I don't think that the big 7 has an advantage even out to 450 yards. After all, if the bullet ends up underneath the hide on the far side of the animal, you probably won't have far to track! friar p.s. You could add the ROY carts, of course, but even his .257 WBY doesn't come out until about WWII, and his .300 shortly after, no? Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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Wow.....I'd sure like to hear one if the Friar's sermons.....I can hear it now..."Praise the lord and pass the .270 ammo"  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I'm on fire, brother, and the heathen I will convert!  In my rapture, admittedly, I did forget about 2 pre-war carts that are still pretty good: 7x57 & 6.5x55. With iron sights, inside 200 yards, one was well equipped. But the modern era begins, practically speaking, with the advent of the .270 WCF. Tis' the season! friar Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain. | |||
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The new 6.8 SPC bullets make the 270 even better. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I almost rechambered my 270 WCF to 270 Weatherby in the late 70s, but when I found a load for my 270 that would give me 3000 fps with a 150g Nosler Partition, I just didn't see the need. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I agree!!! the 7x64 is a great cart. I shot one for 5 years before I went to a 7mm mAG--AND really dont know how much I gained. My wife shoots a blaser R93 in a "7x64" as her big game rifle. She took her 257 wby barrel to africa this year and after shooting her Kudu-wished she would have taken her 7mm. The 156 grain oryx bullet does it all for her. Ed DRSS Member | |||
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Sounds like you had your mind made up. Why bother asking a question that that was intended to create a pissing contest. You like the .270, I don't. I like the 7mmRemMag, it seems you don't. No big deal in my eyes. Asking a question that you have formulated an opinion on already is a waste of time. JMHO | |||
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I like them both, but then am fine with blondes, brunettes and redheads too ... Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I just asked myself the question and came up with the conclusion there was not much to be gained with the 7mag over the 270. I have always not cared for the 7mag or the 270 but chose the 06. I came to the conclusion the 06 is overkill for most hunting in the America's minus moose and brown bear. I started to think about what could be as flexible and flatter shooting and came to the 270. It seemed to be a do all cart with less recoil so I figured I would ask the experts here. What I learned it the 7 mag has a faster twist barrel in general for heavy bullets but that's about it.
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With practical .270 mid to light weight bullets in both cartridges there will be no significant difference. The advantage of the much larger case is its ability to push heavier bullets at higher speeds than the .270; that translates to greater effect on largish game at extended ranges. | |||
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Just get yourself a 6.5x55 and either reload, buy european made ammo or the Hornady Superformance | |||
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This post just highlights the terrible bore gap that exists between the .270 caliber and .the 7mm. We've all said it before and I guess we need to keep saying ittill somebody listens, we MUST have a cartridge that shoots .2805" diameter bullets. It wouldn't matter if it was designated the .279 caliber or the 6.9mm just as long as we have it. The present cartridge gap is too big. Any game light enough for the .270 is too light to shoot with the 7mm. Any animal heavy enough for the 7mm is too heavy for the .270. I, for one, am getting tired of walking into the deer woods with two rifles slung on my back so I can be prepared for both the fork horn deer and the four-pointer, whichever one comes my way. The .279 would fill that gap and be a true one gun for all North American game (minus the big bears of course). I know that a .279 caliber would require manufacture and availability of appropriately sized bore brushes and cleaning rods but the effort is justified. On the other hand, a new caliber could be very exciting to read about in gun magazines. Instead of the same old .270 vs 7mm articles we could enjoy reading twice as many .270 vs .279 and 6.9mm vs 7mm articles. And finally, it will give us justification to acquire that sorely need firearm to fill the last remaining empty space in our gun racks. So, come on guys, get off the .270 vs 7mm thing and lets write all the gun makers to get that new .2805" cartridge under development. . | |||
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6.9-06 or 6.9-08? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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As I said earlier there is ONE thing that the 270, or the 7x64, or my favourite the 280 will ALL do that the 7mm RM won't...and that is take an extra cartridge in the magazine. Important here in the UK when out "on the hill" as it is one cartridge extra in a place where I can find it instead of looking in a pouch or pocket. Also in Europe it is one cartridge more (two actually in my 280 built on a Nazi 98K = 5 in magazine plus 1 in the chamber) immediately ready, when shooting at driven boar. Certainly beats fiddling when your 7mm RM (or .300 WM) has fired its four shots! | |||
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175 grn bullet at 2800fps | |||
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agreed .. passed with distinction.. i strongly prefer hunting with my 7x64 than my 270 .. for no logical reason whatsoever.. but, to answer boomies question, what will a 7mag do? kick a bit more, shoot a slightly heaver bullet.. and that's about it opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Excellent point. . | |||
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The 7mm Magnum was developed by Les Bowman as the most gun that we can shoot well. That cartridges with more recoil cause many to flinch. The 270 Win. is good they say and similar to the 7mm Mag. Its just that if you can shoot the 7mm RM well then you have more range than a 270. Another takeback is that the 7mm RM rifles tend to weigh a little more. In some cases this is not a problem. Get the 'power' or optic that your eye likes instead of what someone else says. When we go to the doctor they ask us what lens we like! Do that with your optics. | |||
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Excellent point.[/QUOTE] IF i can't complete the deed with the magazine capacity of an 7mmRMag bolt rifle, then its my act I need to sharpen up, rather than the need to have an extra .270win round to make up for my personal shortcomings. | |||
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Already quoted by me But.... I was suggesting more along the lines of what a .270 will do that a 7mm wont. I am glad to see that others see the wisdom in it, Because in the field crazy things can happen Buck fever  Cal301906 If it cant be Grown it has to be Mined! Devoted member of Newmont mining company Underground Mine rescue team. Carlin East,Deep Star ,Leeville,Deep Post ,Chukar and now Exodus Where next? Pete Bajo to train newbies on long hole stoping and proper blasting techniques. Back to Exodus mine again learning teaching and operating autonomous loaders in the underground. Bringing everyday life to most individuals 8' at a time! | |||
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There is some difference between some styles of hunting here in Britain and Europe than in the US. On "the hill" in Scotland it may be that the stalker has to take three or four beasts in quick succession from a herd of deer. A 3+1 rifle just simply won't be up to the task...with the "insurance" of a follow up shot. When you shoot driven wild boar I can assure you that every extra cartridge is welcomed! If you get two, three or four in quick sucession then there just isn't time to reload. For stalking into a single beast or shooting from a stand then that's different but here in Britain and Europe some things are different. | |||
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I've never hunted wild boar in Europe but would love to! I think I'd take my 500 Jeffery with some 570g TSX's though 3 down and 1 up should be plenty. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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IMO the .270 is right in the range of "perfect" deer cartrdiges; low recoil, enough bullet to reliably exit on deer-sized animals, flat trajectory, etc. The 7mag is kind of an in-between cartridge; it works on deer but its a bit more than you really need, but on bigger animals it works but it's just a bit less than a lot of us feel comfortable with. Between the two, I'd pick...neither! I have a .30-06 that can handle any hunting task I'd want to use a .270 or a 7mm Rem mag for. | |||
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Times were hard, you could buy a milsup 30-06 for $4 or $5 bucks, a foreign made one in a metric calibre even cheaper. Not too many people were interested in shelling out big bucks for a 30-06 in what was really a slicked up '03 action. So Win took a page from the car folks, let's bring out a NEW model in a different calibre and hire a bunch of rag writers to tell how great it is. It worked then and it is still working now. With cars and rifles. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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