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Yes Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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http://www.z-hat.com/358%20Hawk%20Ballistics.htm 250@ 2759 fps http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=183707 250@ 2800 fps 41 fps diff. pretty good eh? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boomy.....been there! .......does not compute! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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imho shooting the 270's and 280's at 2400 is all you need 2500 great. no more needed. now pass the peace pipe...hey, this isnt tabacco... 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I have a lot of data from Huntington for a .243 superrockchucker that is from the "Ackley" press as well.....you know....folks with no pressure measuring instruments! Hey.....is this fun or what? /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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guns and ammo jan 2007 published loads of 358 win 225 @ 2500 35 whelen 250 @ 2450 35 whelen a.i. 250@ 2600 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Obviously both the 35 Whelen and 9.3x62 are capable medium bore rounds. Not to ressurect the dog -again, but just using the data already posted in this thread, boom stick's posting already shows that Paco Kelly's Whelen got 2455 fps & 3554 fpe with a 275 gr. bullet. So now we're talkin +24 fpe to the Whelen with 10 grains less bullet and 10% less powder. Anybody want to argue efficiency? "No game is dangerous unless a man is close up" Teddy Roosevelt 1885. | |||
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the 62 from my understanding is about 4% larger in capacity giving 1% better performance so the like preasure and like bullets there is only a 25 fps diff...25 fps and with 280 grain bullets about 29 fpe that coupled with the .006" diff in size = almost zero advantage in the field. shoot straight and there will be game on the table. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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There is still NOTHING WRONG with a good .35 Whelen! With the fine premium .35-caliber bullets now available, actually the .35 Whelen will do anything a .375 H&H Magnum can do. "Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen." | |||
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This is, in fact, very close to the absolute truth!.....Not many Cape Buffalo will ever tell the difference! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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like i said...cape buff dont carry micrometers...no pockets to carry them 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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a 280 grain 358 a-frame bullet traveling @ 2536 fps gets the benchmark 4,000 fpe. 35 whelen a.i. can do this. maybe the reg whelen too but not sure. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boom stick thanks for sticking up for my favorite caliber. I just don't feel outta date with mine. The bullets we can get in .358 now are awesome really. Barnes,northforks,nosler's partition & accubond and quite a few other brands. Inside 300 yds. game doesn't stand a chance (my personal limit). What could take a 225 gr. XXX shock(re-15 worked up to 60 grs.)thru the boiler room and still be standing? BTW that load was worked up in 98 degree weather with no pressure signs. Gotta try some accubonds,northforks and partitions now! This gun shoots everything good. One of those horrible PF's. Rem. 700 CDL. Straight shootin to ya | |||
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In my opinion the .35 Whelen is a much better cartridge than the 9.3X62, because loaded with 270gr,275gr,280gr,300gr and 310gr bullets its the equal of the 9.3 but with BETTER sectional density. There are plenty of solids available for it as well as tons of pistol bullets and cast bullets. A much better all around, do everything cartridge than the 9.3 and the only arugement that 9.3 users have is that its legal for DG, what a lame arguement! It doesnt detract from the usefulness of the Whelen its just a man made limitation, thats all. If im going to hunt DG it wouldnt be with a 9.3X62 or a Whelen, so as a plains game cartridge there is no discernable difference, except that you could load up some pistol bullets in the Whelen and fill the pot with small game, cant do that with the 9.3 | |||
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Hmmm... .358" .366" Weight Sec Den Weight Sec Den 225 .251 250 .267 250 .279 270 .288 275 .307 286 .305 310 .346 320 .341 I think the sectional densities are very similar. -Bob F. | |||
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I won't argue "killing power" as I am of the opinnion there is little difference in any of these calibers on that score, I put killing power into catagories. 284 Win to 30-06 and everything in between, no difference. Same for the 300s to the 350 magnums. 375 to the 458. for a rough idea. As to velocity, I can only say the charts only tell a part of any story. I shoot my 9.3x62 at 2520 FPS with a 286 gr. Nosler, a 320 gr. Woodleigh at 2350 FPS, and a 300 gr. Swift at a 2400 plus a tad. I also shot the Whelan at some pretty good velocities as I recall. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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the a.i. whelen has the same capacity as the 9,3x62 that means no diff between them. the 62 is already improved to some degree...short shoulder less taper. want more...350 howell 250's @ 2750 use 06 basic brass or 9,3x66 brass the 350 howell is the parent of the 9,3x66 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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