Yes

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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the 35 hawk is not far off factory 358 norma velocities

At what pressures?...near as I can tell there is more than truth there

http://www.z-hat.com/358%20Hawk%20Ballistics.htm
250@ 2759 fps

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=183707
250@ 2800 fps

41 fps diff. pretty good eh?

Boomy.....been there! .......does not compute!

imho shooting the 270's and 280's at 2400 is all you need 2500 great. no more needed. now pass the peace pipe...hey, this isnt tabacco...

I have a lot of data from Huntington for a .243 superrockchucker that is from the "Ackley" press as well.....you know....folks with no pressure measuring instruments!

Hey.....is this fun or what?

guns and ammo jan 2007 published loads of
358 win 225 @ 2500
35 whelen 250 @ 2450
35 whelen a.i. 250@ 2600

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Originally posted by Paul B:
The chart that BFaucett posted shows the 9.3x62 with a 285 gr. bullet at 2362 FPS for 3530 Ft Lbs. of energy.Now, assuming that we can reach 2350 FPS with a 275 gr. bullet in the Whelen, the muzzle energy is 3373 Ft. Lbs. WOW! a whole 157 Ft. Lbs. difference. Now asuming that 2400 FPS is attainable in some rifles, muzzle energy is 3518 Ft. Lbs., a difference of exactly 12 Ft. Lbs. less than the 9.3x62.

Obviously both the 35 Whelen and 9.3x62 are capable medium bore rounds. Not to ressurect the dog -again, but just using the data already posted in this thread, boom stick's posting already shows that Paco Kelly's Whelen got 2455 fps & 3554 fpe with a 275 gr. bullet. So now we're talkin +24 fpe to the Whelen with 10 grains less bullet and 10% less powder. Anybody want to argue efficiency?

the 62 from my understanding is about 4% larger in capacity giving 1% better performance so the like preasure and like bullets there is only a 25 fps diff...25 fps and with 280 grain bullets about 29 fpe that coupled with the .006" diff in size = almost zero advantage in the field. shoot straight and there will be game on the table.

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Whenever I mention my whelen, someone or other tells me to get something better. If I mention bushveld hunting, I get told to buy a 9.3x62.

There is still NOTHING WRONG with a good .35 Whelen! With the fine premium .35-caliber bullets now available, actually the .35 Whelen will do anything a .375 H&H Magnum can do.

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Originally posted by El Deguello:

There is still NOTHING WRONG with a good .35 Whelen! With the fine premium .35-caliber bullets now available, actually the .35 Whelen will do anything a .375 H&H Magnum can do.

This is, in fact, very close to the absolute truth!.....Not many Cape Buffalo will ever tell the difference!

like i said...cape buff dont carry micrometers...no pockets to carry them

a 280 grain 358 a-frame bullet traveling @ 2536 fps gets the benchmark 4,000 fpe. 35 whelen a.i. can do this. maybe the reg whelen too but not sure.

Boom stick thanks for sticking up for my favorite caliber. I just don't feel outta date with mine. The bullets we can get in .358 now are awesome really. Barnes,northforks,nosler's partition & accubond and quite a few other brands. Inside 300 yds. game doesn't stand a chance (my personal limit). What could take a 225 gr. XXX shock(re-15 worked up to 60 grs.)thru the boiler room and still be standing? BTW that load was worked up in 98 degree weather with no pressure signs. Gotta try some accubonds,northforks and partitions now! This gun shoots everything good. One of those horrible PF's. Rem. 700 CDL.

In my opinion the .35 Whelen is a much better cartridge than the 9.3X62, because loaded with 270gr,275gr,280gr,300gr and 310gr bullets its the equal of the 9.3 but with BETTER sectional density. There are plenty of solids available for it as well as tons of pistol bullets and cast bullets. A much better all around, do everything cartridge than the 9.3 and the only arugement that 9.3 users have is that its legal for DG, what a lame arguement! It doesnt detract from the usefulness of the Whelen its just a man made limitation, thats all. If im going to hunt DG it wouldnt be with a 9.3X62 or a Whelen, so as a plains game cartridge there is no discernable difference, except that you could load up some pistol bullets in the Whelen and fill the pot with small game, cant do that with the 9.3

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Originally posted by fgulla:
In my opinion the .35 Whelen is a much better cartridge than the 9.3X62, because loaded with 270gr,275gr,280gr,300gr and 310gr bullets its the equal of the 9.3 but with BETTER sectional density. ...

Hmmm...

.358"			.366"	
Weight	Sec Den		Weight	Sec Den
225	.251		250	.267
250	.279		270	.288
275	.307		286	.305
310	.346		320	.341

I think the sectional densities are very similar.

-Bob F.

I won't argue "killing power" as I am of the opinnion there is little difference in any of these calibers on that score, I put killing power into catagories. 284 Win to 30-06 and everything in between, no difference. Same for the 300s to the 350 magnums. 375 to the 458. for a rough idea.

As to velocity, I can only say the charts only tell a part of any story. I shoot my 9.3x62 at 2520 FPS with a 286 gr. Nosler, a 320 gr. Woodleigh at 2350 FPS, and a 300 gr. Swift at a 2400 plus a tad. I also shot the Whelan at some pretty good velocities as I recall.

the a.i. whelen has the same capacity as the 9,3x62
that means no diff between them. the 62 is already improved to some degree...short shoulder less taper.

want more...350 howell 250's @ 2750 use 06 basic brass or 9,3x66 brass the 350 howell is the parent of the 9,3x66