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A week or so back we had the new guy on the block show up at the range with a brand new .416 Barret SA with all the trimmings. Indeed a beautiful weapon with much detail including the NF scope with build-in and programmable ballistics computer riding the back of the NF. I still like my Cheytac M200 better (because it's mine). In any event it didn't take long to figure out this guy had no idea what he had, what he was doing or why he was doing it! The only thing he did right was to keep that canon pointed in a safe direction with the action open while he huffed it to his shooting bench. I could go on and list all I witnessed in sure amazement at this ridicules senerio but you really had to be there to appreciate just how crazy the scene was! All I know is that I am thankful a few boys at the range with the experience necessary to handle this beast were there and offered help. And to win all my respect and to change the view I held on this dingbat, he gladly accepted and after watching him take the first shouldered round, it was very apparent he had no idea what he had. For those guys out at the range they offered him lessons in shooting, loading, safety etc. Although he took a pretty good a$$ chewing for buying the weapon he did for his first, it's good to know that he has accepted help modestly! Cheers to the guys at the range taking this guy under your wings! But still, what was this guy thinking, perhaps a visit to the Psychiatrist as part of the instructions you are giving may be in good order? | ||
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That's a little worse then a 19 year old kid buying his first rifle ... a Dragunov sniper rifle at a gun show. Too many video games I guess .... Best Regards, Sid All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it. Alexis de Tocqueville The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. Alexis de Tocqueville | |||
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Man, you got that right! I think he was one of those guys that had to have the biggest and the best from the word go and loafed around watching Modern Sniper and decided that was his next venture. If someone told him from the start that the gun was only a fraction of the equation and the man behind the gun was the equation, perhaps he would have rethought his plans? | |||
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A fool and his money, right? Used to be a .30-30 or a .30-06 was a man's first rifle, and sometimes even his last and only. I guess this episode proves that a guy can still do a lot worse! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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It's strange to me that some people at a gun range would chew another guy's ass because of the gun he bought. The arrogance is amazing. It's impressive that this new guy took all the comments with class. He is a new guy who doesn't know all about guns, but at least he doesn't think he knows everything like so many other guys at the range who think they do no wrong. It sounds like the condescending attitude was very thick at the range that day. | |||
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Talk about having a gun beyond your ability. Well maybe in a few years he might end up being a good gun owner and hopefully does not turn into an ass like some. We all start somewhere. I started with a 9mm then a 40 cal then a 300 WBY (Mistake) then an 06 then a 45-70 then, then, then... 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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 Hell I graduated from a Mod. 94, 32 special (first High Powered Rifle) to a G43. rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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Sounds very similar to the guys who go on their first hunting trip as a full bag safari. | |||
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I guess I would back off from any kind of generalization and just say that if you bite it off, you had better be able to chew it!  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Those boys at the range (many current/x-seals and army special forces) had every right under the sun to chastise this guy for the safety of everyone there! And being there myself it was a class chewing without demeaning the guy. And Carl said after the chewing "O.K., seems you took that pretty well and with that said, lets get you straightened out on this weapon system so you can be safe and have a lot of fun" Now that's there is class, I don't care who you are. On top of it, One of the X-SF guys invited him to his home for some classroom work and reloading lessons for FREE! To me, this is called backing up your ass chewing with good will! Some of these range guys have seen action during the first Gulf war, Bosnia, Columbia and even Nam! To even be on the same firing line with these guys is an honor and privilege for me! I hope that guy with the new Barret understands what a privilege it is to be mentored by these guys! To me "arrogance" would be NOT to accept an ass chewing by these guys! | |||
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Its funny that you now try to turn it into an issue of safety for everyone on the range when in your original post you pointed out that he knew to keep the gun in a safe direction. You called him a dingbat not because of safety but because he had the gall to buy such a rifle. At least be honest with yourself. You can't cover such condescention by repeatedly mentioning the other guys at the range were veterans and special forces and it was all about safety. Whether the guy was shooting a Barrett or a 22 long rifle the safety issues follow the same lines. Your post was all about making fun of his gun choice and the ass chewing he received because of it. | |||
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Let's get a few things straight! 1. The guy was (past/tense)a dingbat! for going off and buying this weapon system without any previous knowledge, shooting experience etc! 2. I DID say he handled the weapon properly to his bench. This however, doesn’t mean once he got there he may of compromised others by doing something he was not aware of such as firing the weapon without preparing for the recoil and dropping the gun discharging it towards? The list can grow from here. In addition as I stated I grew repect for him when he took both criticism and advice! Don't ever come to a conclusion you know what my intent is, was or may be nor should you elude or guide my character as one to make fun of anyone! As to the guys at the range, should they not have been there, it is much more than likely he would have been asked to leave. The RM is fully aware of their abilities and accepted the new guy as a result of their help. In the event you feel this system in appropriate for a first timer, I will simply disagree with you respect your opinion thinking you know something I don't. But I will maintain my position that anyone in his previous state is indeed a DINGBAT! Now if the word dingbat bothers you and you feel I should be more sensitive (politically correct) well then I apologize and will refer to this individual as suffering from a severe case of: (BDD) Ballistics Deficit Disorder. All in all, this guy will learn his weapon through the generosity of others and will make for a good friend at the range only to laugh at his past situation in which we all get to jump in and razz him about! I get razzed all the time if I need it or not. In closing I am not above anyone! And I have made mistakes that make his error look like spilled milk! We all have, but I was reminded of it in many words just as you or others have. So the point is, relax, take it for what it is and not for what it isn't. And what it isn't is the permanent condemnation of an individual for making a mistake, just a little as chewing that he and all of us deserve when doing something generally known as dumb! | |||
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Lots of ways to look at the new shooter's experience... He wanted to learn to shoot. He bought what he had read or had been told was one of the best things out there. (He put his money & his effort where other people's mouths are). He was lacking in experience, so was also ignorant. Not stupid, not a dingbat, just ignorant, as all beginners are to some extent or another. Other shooters saw his situation and had the class to help him out. Perhaps a few persons thought it appropriate to make fun of him. One could debate how much class that displayed. Viewed in light of making new shooters feel welcome and stoking their interest in the sport, maybe that was more ignorant than the new shooters actions. I wasn't there, so I don't know and can't say. Hopefully, "New Shooter" still had fun, learned from the occasion, enjoyed the experience, and may someday better all of us. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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Maybe he'll get frustrated with it and sell it at a great loss. But he should have bought two of them and donate one to someone as payment to school him on the in's and out's of shooting something of that caliber, mapping his trajectory to hit what he is aiming at, and reloading for it. Just my opinion. Extreme Custom Gunsmithing LLC, ecg@wheatstate.com | |||
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LOL! A friend of mine did just that! For me it was an old SKS. Great guns. | |||
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I have to agree with the minotry opinion that chewing this guy out for his purchase was wrong. It is extremely arrogant to assume that everyone who takes up shooting has the same vast knowledge and the experts. Hey, if there is a digbat or someone that needs a butt chewing in the story it would be the 'expert' that lead this guy to beleive this was a good purchase for him. You know somewhere along the ways someone with enough knowledge to know better crossed this guys path and saw what was going on. I wonder if he recommended something else. Maybe he did, or maybe he just took his money and smiled. It seems that every hobby I enjoy has an 'elite' group that thinks they need to look down their noses at those that they deem unworthy. Then they moan and whine about the fact that they can't attract new people to their sport. Hmmm, I wonder why. | |||
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sure, why not? that gun might teach him a million things, reloading, recoil, ballistics, bragging .. heck, its FUN to shoot big guns! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I agree that the guys making fun of him are the real idiots in this case That attitude is exactly what is wrong with our sport. Too many macho jerks that get their panties in an uproar because some new guy has the funds to buy THEIR dream rig. There is no rite of passage that is required before someone is ALLOWED to buy his dream rifle. Whatthe, you need to stop acting like a jealous grade school boy. If your hunting dog is fat, then you aren't getting enough exercise.  | |||
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Everyone relax, have some suds on me and take this incident as it is and what it's not. No one including me made fun of him at the range. He simply got what-4 for purchasing this system. I guess the word "dingbat" is not politically correct so I will rephrase my terminology as I did earlier in that; this fine gentleman was in above his head and perhaps suffered from Ballistics Deficiency Disorder (BDD). Don't chastise those who gave him a partial reading of the riot act (the full riot act is to long and wordy) just because they came down on him a bit! And in addition you can look at it this way as well, say nobody intervened and this guy blew off some rounds taking a shoulder beating,hitting nothing and unable to see where he is even shooting, then adjusting his scope to no avail and just got frustrated with his new endeavor only to shelf or sell his weapon resulting in a bad experience and not wanting anything to do with the sport. So those "arrogant" guys at the range as refereed to by some in this thread, took this guy on with help and encouragement. And to that end, he showed up at the range this morning with a new outlook using one of those arrogant range guys gun (.308 Rem Tac-7) and put about a hundred happy rounds with the help of one of the arrogant range guys guidance and had a ton of fun. In chatting with this guy, he ordered (with the advice of an arrogant range guy) a Barret 98B in SA in .338 Lapua saying he will graduate from the .308 then to the .338 and then take on his .416. So for Pete sakes chill out a tad and let that last gulp of suds end this thread with a happy belch and not a sour note. | |||
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