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Although the heavier and longer barrel makes it harder or slower to get on target, I believe the fact that the front sight is further away from the rear sight makes for a clearer sight picture. | |||
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A brilliant observation ! You have discovered that it is easier to shoot an iron sighted rifle well than it is a like equipped handgun. Of course you have no handguns............. | |||
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I tried some dry fire practice with my new heavy barrel yesterday and strained my muscles on my right side. | |||
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with due respect, I would suggest contacting www.dixieslug.com. They have buckshot and tri-ball loads that will do a lot better for you in a 12 ga shotgun than the 458. | |||
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Why, if it isn't LARRY ROOT!!! Why, you old piece-of-crap, how did you manage to crawl out of the sewer this time? How many usernames have you burned through thus far? | |||
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Whats the problem, your shotgun really handles that no. 1 buck quite well! Just kidding my man!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Might be time to buy a shootin' stick? Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can. | |||
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I am sorry that it is taking time for a follow-up on the 100yds offhand shooting but my battered brain asked me for some time off and I had no choice to comply. | |||
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I was out shooting my heavy barrel 308 again today and I have another thought or explanation concerning the very high POI I got with the very heavy long barrel compared to the shorter and lighter one.I can remember that I sometimes come up(sight picture) from 6 oclock just before the shot is let off.There is an incredible amount of weight far out there(to the muzzle) and this causes too much of an upward momentum such that it does not stop or is moving too much upward as the shot is let off. | |||
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Here is one I shot today.I messed up the rear sight adjustment when it got too hot to touch last time out and that is the reason for the low POI. I would like to say that after dry firing this heavy rifle for about two weeks I am finally able to hold and balance it well and POI is now the same as it is when the rifle is shot from a rest off the bench. [URL=  ]100yds offhand[/URL]I was having a little trouble seeing the target clearly today-it might be because of the humidity. | |||
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I would like to add that the highest shots on the target were among the first shots fired again. I am sure there is a link between shooting high and ones muscles not yet being warmed up for the shooting-the same way a pitcher needs warming up before he can deliver the baseball fast and precise. | |||
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Shot this today. [URL=  ]100yds offhand[/URL] | |||
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Shot this today on this hot humid day. I shot fewer rds because of the heat and having shot 4 rds of 45-70 I wanted to avoid a headache. Dry firing is paying off.I also like this really heavy barrel. I feel I am getting the feel of the rifle and shooting process the more I shoot. I am starting to impress myself. JD watch out!  I am also always experimenting new cleaning methods-I like the last one I tried. [URL=  ]100yds offhand[/URL] | |||
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Talk is cheap. At least the canadian has the balls and honesty to post his offhand "groups", and frankly it is kind of refreshing to see someone post a target on here that isnt moa or less. There are no benches in the field. I have to admit, it is entertaining though.  | |||
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Hmmm, if you connect the dots of the target, you get a picture of the virgin Mary!  | |||
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I will say you are improving | |||
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Offhand shooting.... Bottom line is that some people aren't stable enough for it. Ken.... "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so. " - Ronald Reagan | |||
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  Must say though that reading through this entire thread gave me some great laughs. Some excellent smart azz post in here. All the while shootaway keeps trucking along. Perseverance - lots of it. | |||
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I believe its shootaway whos having a laugh.jc  | |||
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[URL=  ]shellholder[/URL]Cases got to large to fit in the custom tight chamber.Full length sizing with my FL die and competition shellholder no longer worked and I had to find another solution.This one worked well. | |||
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It's hard to figure out if you are out of your mind or just goofing on everyone here! I tend to use more than enough gun | |||
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NO - LOL - I for 1(or 2) am really enjoying this thread!!! And would like to encourage shootaway to increase his efforts as one 20 shot group don't doesn't prove anything. I'd suggest that three 20 shot groups would be the absolute minimum with five 20 shot groups being the preferred number to properly evaluate each step in his progression to be a master marksman. ________ Ray | |||
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Four pages???  | |||
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[URL=  ]shot this today[/URL]It does not look good.Could be the fouling caused by the resized rds.I`ll have to check next time and see.Off the bench groups where way to large. It`s a bitch shooting offhand with open sights at 100-it is difficult to get a good sight picture and what else. | |||
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LOL masterfully done. Every time I scrolled down and got a new picture of absolute gibberish on a target and then a detailed explanation of what was happening I actually laughed out loud. Shootaway should get an award for this thread. Mr Shootaway can shoot just fine. | |||
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What I like about this target is that its centered. I have found that to get a centered offhand target at 100yds,POI must be dead center at 100yds from the bench and verified by firing at least three or 4 rds. An off the bench group of only two inches to the left can give a POI of 4 or more inches to the left,offhand. | |||
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Shootaway, Perhaps a rifle is not for you. If I shot that poorly off-hand I would sit down at a bench and fire one round at the target - dry fire three rounds and then fire another round until I had actually fired five rounds. If that group was less than 2 inches the I would keep doing the same process until I got groups under one inch. After that was accomplished I would try firing five shots waiting at least 2 minutes between each shot and do that until I could regularly shoot a five shot group under one inch. If it is not possible for you to shoot a 1 inch group at 100 yards then sell the rifle and buy a shotgun or a revolver. All you are accomplishing in your "practice" is learning how not to shoot. It is better to shoot just five shots to a group than it is to shoot 100 rounds to a pattern. Speer, Sierra, Lyman, Hornady, Hodgdon have reliable reloading data. You won't find it on so and so's web page. | |||
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It is a very slow learning thing for me and I would not want in any other way.I do notice a slight improvement over time.I will keep shooting and practicing every week and hope that I can improve the slightest bit. To all the people who can outshoot me(in their minds) then good for you! | |||
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Really, you're ridiculous!!!!! Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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Spot-on Carlsen. As they say in Two-up..."come in spinna!" DRSS | |||
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Why? I don't own any "high powered" rifle that will not shoot less than 1" groups from the bench. One of those rifles is an old 03A3 that my dad owned, then my brother and now me. Its barrel still has the "42" stamped from the armory when my dad bought it. It shoots 5/8" groups for me every time - the best I shot with it was under 1/2". I have a 358 Win. that has fired .33" groups (center to center) fairly consistently using pistol bullets at 2700 fps. I wouldn't consider owning a rifle that shot groups over 1 inch at 100 yards from a bench. Would you? Speer, Sierra, Lyman, Hornady, Hodgdon have reliable reloading data. You won't find it on so and so's web page. | |||
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It depends on the rifle and its use. For my bolt guns, I also prefer for them to shoot groups under an inch at 100 yards. With my pistol caliber carbine, or dot sighted AR or AK, they will not shoot under an inch, but are capable of rapid strings at 25-75 yards that the bolt guns cannot approach. sputster | |||
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This thread is pure gold... For some reason it reminded me of a martial arts comedy movie, where the master of the Kung-Fu school, when talking about a student of his that seemed rather inept given the teachers reputation explained: "I taught him to do Kung-Fu incorrectly on purpose, as a joke." . "The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge." | |||
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Nice hold SR4759. I don't think I can hold the vertical you did but I am going to try! What rifle did you shoot? Iron or scope? Best regards, "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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I cleaned the rifle using two cycles of JB instead of one hat I usually use. I could feel the scrubbing going right to the metal. I was not surprised when the first three shot group(bottom green circle) printed extremely low and was much lower than its usual zero. After some single shots fired to adjust the rear sight the rifle grouped to in the center(top green circle). As I started to shoot offhand fouling must occured and suddenly raised the POI too high. I felt I round chamber tightly and it could have been an unsized case getting mixed with my prepared cases. I was glad to see that the shots took on a tighter pattern from last weeks shooting-probably caused by the long and untrimmed case necks. [URL=  ]off the bench[/URL][URL=  ]offhand[/URL]I think you can see at what point the offhand POI shifted upward-probably after the lower six shots. | |||
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Before I reply, either positively or negatively, I'm going to take my .375 and my old (1917) open-sighted SMLE to the range on Saturday and do some offhand shooting (something I do FAR too seldom nowadays! I may or I may not post the results, but it'll be a worthwhile (and a long overdue) exercise!  | |||
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go for it! | |||
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Uhmm Paul, The question is not if the rifle can do it. The question is can YOU do it OFFHAND with that rifle at 100 yards. I guessing you didn't get that key crucial little part anywhere during the multiple repeated messages indicating that this is about offhand shooting? | |||
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Shot again today.The first target shows the first two shots fired off the bench(at 100yds) to test for POI and accuracy following another good cleaning.The rifled kept the exact POI with both bullets striking almost exactly where the two bullets(circled in green) hit last week.That was good news and then I shot offhand at 100yds. Visibilty is getting worse as the sun is going down earlier and there is little light on the target in the shade.My best target was shot when the target was lit the brightest.Still she was a good one! [URL=  ]off the bench at 100yds (ignore the bullet holes covered in tape as they were shot by someone else)[/URL][URL=  ]offhand 100yds poor light[/URL] | |||
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