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Why do people act like 300 yards is so far? With today's equipment and a little practice any decent shooter should be able to take deer size animals at 300 yards.

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Originally posted by Buglemintoday:
.338 Win Mag

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:

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Why do people act like 300 yards is so far? With today's equipment and a little practice any decent shooter should be able to take deer size animals at 300 yards.

As a person who has seen and hunted LOTS of different animals over the last 60+ years of carrying a rifle, I think that is simply incorrect.

A person should be able to hit a deer size TARGET easily at 300 yards, or triple that distance. Targets don't spend all their time on earth suddenly and unexpectedly moving, whether a lot or a little.

Deer and their kin DO. That's one way prey animals stay alive in a world of carnivorous predators.

It is moot as to which style of killing deer takes the most skill. That isn't the concern. The concern is that an unneccesary wounding shot on a living animal which may escape long enough to die a slow death in terrible agony is UNETHICAL.

IF a person is desparate for meat for his family, shots may need to be taken which otherwise would be totally unsporting. But, if the meat isn't deparately needed such shots, in my opinion, are irresponsible, juvenile stunts...possibly by a person who is also too lazy to do the job right.

I know that may not be a popular view in this day and age, but on this subject I don't give a tinker's God-Damn if it is popular or not.

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Originally posted by Donald Nelson:

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Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:

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Why do people act like 300 yards is so far? With today's equipment and a little practice any decent shooter should be able to take deer size animals at 300 yards.

As a person who has seen and hunted LOTS of different animals over the last 60+ years of carrying a rifle, I think that is simply incorrect.

A person should be able to hit a deer size TARGET easily at 300 yards, or triple that distance. Targets don't spend all their time on earth suddenly and unexpectedly moving, whether a lot or a little.

Deer and their kin DO. That's one way prey animals stay alive in a world of carnivorous predators.

It is moot as to which style of killing deer takes the most skill. That isn't the concern. The concern is that an unneccesary wounding shot on a living animal which may escape long enough to die a slow death in terrible agony is UNETHICAL.

IF a person is desparate for meat for his family, shots may need to be taken which otherwise would be totally unsporting. But, if the meat isn't deparately needed such shots, in my opinion, are irresponsible, juvenile stunts...possibly by a person who is also too lazy to do the job right.

I know that may not be a popular view in this day and age, but on this subject I don't give a tinker's God-Damn if it is popular or not.

I would bet more deer are wounded and lost by hunters making a jump shot at a moving deer in close cover than those wounded and lost while being shot from 2-300 yards while feeding in a field.

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Originally posted by Donald Nelson:
Why do people act like 300 yards is so far? With today's equipment and a little practice any decent shooter should be able to take deer size animals at 300 yards. I would rather take a 300 yard shot off my bi pods than a 100 yard shot out of a tree stand like many hunters in my area do.
You certainly have the right to adopt varmint shooting technology to deer hunting.

As for hunting skill, in some areas there are so many hunters sharing the same woods that it actually takes more skill to know the lay of the land and know where the deer will funnel and give the hunter a 300 yards shot than to try and stalk them and piss everyone in the woods off.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
At what range does it cease to hunting and start to be guess where the animal will be in 1.5 seconds?

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Originally posted by Donald Nelson:
Why do people act like 300 yards is so far?

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Originally posted by Trax:

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Originally posted by boom stick:
At what range does it cease to hunting and start to be guess where the animal will be in 1.5 seconds?

You saying people should not hunt with hand spears[or modern HV bullets] if it takes 1.5 seconds to reach the animal?

Surely advances in weaponry meant that one could more efficiently & effectively take game at distances further than one could with club,spear boomerang or arrow.
and as bullets,powders,steels,rifle design and sighting systems advanced further, those distances sensibly increased.

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Originally posted by bartsche:
For silly long range shooting as for what you asked,( 300 +) the .338 RUM single shot Mod. 98, 30" barrel, deep throated for heaviest (longest) bullets , super muzzle break, Strong bi-pod, would be just about right.
However , you take to the woods with this type of creature you're really trying some stunt hunting. "Hunters" don't need ultra long range equipment, they try to get in close and do it right. roger

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
-----Talk about , someone help Bartsche to the bathroom so he will quit in his own Wheaties.

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Originally posted by bartsche:
Golly! Now I'm humbled. roger

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
Hey Cary, No doubt the 338WinMag is a fine cartridge. With just a modicum of practice in one of todays rifles, just about anyone can shoot it and not be flinching. And it does well with a 24" barrel. Some folks even saw them off shorter than that, but it is probably so they can hear the report better.

I've been fortunate enough to shoot all of them on your list, except the 338Edge. Of those, the 338RUMs were some of the most accurate factory rifles I've shot in the 338Cal. The barrels were long enough to provide plenty of Energy and those factory Muzzle Brakes really work well. If you can shoot a light weight 308Win without a Muzzle Brake, then a 338RUM with a Muzzle Brake will work just fine.

You will have a very Adequate Deer, Hog or Bear Cartridge with any on your list.
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Talk about , someone help Bartsche to the bathroom so he will quit in his own Wheaties.

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Originally posted by Wstrnhuntr:

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Originally posted by Donald Nelson:
Why do people act like 300 yards is so far?

Its not the 300 yds in the original post that gives me pause, its the 300+..

Plus what??

For 300 yds, none of the above, a 338-06. What I want to know is, why do people act like it is so hard to dope 10-12 inches of bullet drop??