Looking at Dan Wesson Bobtail model, and their 5" and Kimbers 5", possibly Colts, esp. later this year if a Gold Cup comes out, what is the opinion on brand .....quality differences?

I want something that shoots out the box, and will have it for shots of opportunity on deer and hogs. This is in lieu of perhaps a 4 5/8" 41 or 44 sp (240s/1200) in a Ruger, a S&W MG or a various 41 variant, or a FA 97 in 4.25 or 44sp in a short bbl.

Use would also double for a defense Concealed Carry and 'car gun.'

Thanks.

I don't own a 10mm but it seems about the only choice for a casually concealable selfloader that's legal for deer (unless you're tall enough to hide a 460 Rowland under your jacket). As it happens I don't recall shooting my 1911s even once since I got my S&W M629 Mtn Gun some fifteen years or so ago. I know, I know, I should let the 45s see the light of day one of these years, but when I need a gun for no particular reason the little 44 comes along.

the 10mm is a great round. Id love to find a commander lenght 10mm 1911. Now that to me would make a great self defense/hunting/trail gun

I selected a Taurus Titanium Tracker in .45 Colt for the purpose that you describe. Mine has a 4" barrel and I'm very happy with it so far. It's very easy to carry and is quite powerful for its size.

It's a great carry gun.

Lloyd, I am STRONGLY looking at the Dan Wesson Bobtail, a commander sized gun with lower backside rounded off, like an FA97 round butt.

It FITS my hand very well and I believe it will do what I need. Could add BoMar adj. sites.

Dang, just read a glowing report looking up a pic of the gun..

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=98088

Here is a pic:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti...m.asp?Item=120994268

Tell me what you think Loyd. Love to 'test fire' one next to a good FA97 41 or 44sp shorty just because, and see what I hit with best. gun fit might win out the day. Did handle a lil 3.5" 97 in 45 colt at the SHOT show last week, felt nice with round butt....but a 4.25 or 5.5 would be my preference in that gun, again 41/44sp.

I don't know what loads you are planning on using in your Commander size 10mm, but be aware that max loads using 200 grain bullets can be a handful. I have an EAA Elite Match in 10mm and really like the gun. It is a lot less money too, but if you really like the Dan Wesson then get it. Also, you can get the 10mm in an S&W revolver.
Peter.

Peter what kind of accuracy are you seeing?

Hear a spring change every 1,500 is what Kimber recommends.

Planned loads, well for hunting it'd likely be a 180 or 200, no problem with 175 silvertips. Most likely to roll my own.

I have shot 41s and 44s so I cannot imagine it being too bad. 41 is where I stop now though.

On the 10mm, I was asked this the other day.
A friend was thinking of taking his 10mm as a pig gun.
I couldn't think of a bullet for that cartridge that I'd want to use on feral hogs.

A compact 44 magnum with proper magnum loads via 300gr+ hard cast bullets is about the minimum I'd want to have to trust *from a handgun*, and there are some very nice little 44 magnum wheel guns out that'll do the trick.

Recoil doesn't seem like a valid argument against this kind of arrangement either, in that a real-live situation you won't notice the recoil anyway.



Cheers
Tinker

I can post some pictures of targets I have shot at 25 yards. Have to dig them out. I may have misstated. What I meant to say was that max loads may be uncomfortable in a commander size gun. I have a 22 pound spring in my 10mm (as I recollect). Bear in mind that you have a shorter sight radius in a commander size gun.
Peter.

As much as I love the 1911/45 ACP combo (my CCW is a Kimber Compact, duty piece was a Colt Series 70), for most purposes I now reach for one of my S&W 4 inch .44s. When I open the back door to go out, the .44 just tags along.......

I have used the longer bbl. .44s to take a couple of whitetails, a 5 point at 47 yds. and a large 8 point at 30 yards. One shot affairs for both and very glad that I had the .44 Mag rather than the .45 APC.

The Ruger Blackhawk with 4 5/8 bbl. or the
5 1/2 bbl and fluted cyl. would be my pick in a SA piece.

Jim

Jim

I'm pretty much the same way lately,

quote:

When I open the back door to go out, the .44 just tags along.......
Jim

but with a little fixed-sight 4" Taurus 44 on a Mernickle shoulder rig or with the 5-1/2" Redhawk on my El Paso (plain field belt) belt and a (old, old) relatively high riding Bianchi thumb strap holster and cartridge loop slide.

Whatever else needs (tools, optics, knife, radio, etc) to hang from the belt gets added as necessary, but the .44 waits in it's leather on a hook on the way to the door.
The field belt rides over whatever trousers and belt I'm wearing at the time.

This is the 'at home and away toolbelt' arrangement I've settled on for anything on my city lot or out on a ranch.
Even heavy .44 loads through the little Taurus 4" don't leave an impression of recoil on me when shot in the field as random snap shots as practice or as shots on pests or nuisances on the ranch. My eyes and focus are on POI and follow-through takes me past the instant of the shot to the disposition of whatever I hit.

I can see how that kind of combination of light handgun and heavy load might get tiresome during structured bench/target shooting sessions for those who are reciol shy, but in the field it's just not an issue. When stopping trouble *is* the issue it's good to not have to think about whether or not your bullet will do the job.



Cheers
Tinker

I have one of the 3 inch 44mag Smith and wessons that I use for both field carry and concealed carry. I like the Bianchi 5bhl holster that you can use both strongside and crossdraw. It is not too heavy, has good stopping power and I shoot it well.

I like the new 4 inch Redhawk. Its a little heavier than the 4 inch Smiths but thats OK, I'm to old to walk a long ways anyway. I take it with me every time I am in the outdoors. I just made a holster that fits behind the side belt loop on a pair of levi's. Its comfortable to carry there and you can sit without getting jabbed in the ribs. DW

I have lusted for one of the 3 inch. S&W .44s for a long time--the few that I have seen for sale were either not timed exactly right or didn't have perfect cyl/bbl alignment.

Also wanted a .44 Mountain Gun,-------I haven't given up on either one, but it ain't looking very promising!!

Looks like I'm in good company.
Cheers,
Jim

quote:

Originally posted by a.tinkerer:
On the 10mm, I was asked this the other day.
A friend was thinking of taking his 10mm as a pig gun.
I couldn't think of a bullet for that cartridge that I'd want to use on feral hogs.

A compact 44 magnum with proper magnum loads via 300gr+ hard cast bullets is about the minimum I'd want to have to trust *from a handgun*, and there are some very nice little 44 magnum wheel guns out that'll do the trick.

Recoil doesn't seem like a valid argument against this kind of arrangement either, in that a real-live situation you won't notice the recoil anyway.



Cheers
Tinker

Tinker, Double Tap (www.doubletapammo.com) has some 10mm loads that I wouldn't hesitate to hunt with. Take a look at their website.

quote:

Originally posted by Whitworth:

quote:

Originally posted by a.tinkerer:
On the 10mm, I was asked this the other day.
A friend was thinking of taking his 10mm as a pig gun.
I couldn't think of a bullet for that cartridge that I'd want to use on feral hogs.

A compact 44 magnum with proper magnum loads via 300gr+ hard cast bullets is about the minimum I'd want to have to trust *from a handgun*, and there are some very nice little 44 magnum wheel guns out that'll do the trick.

Recoil doesn't seem like a valid argument against this kind of arrangement either, in that a real-live situation you won't notice the recoil anyway.



Cheers
Tinker

Tinker, Double Tap (www.doubletapammo.com) has some 10mm loads that I wouldn't hesitate to hunt with. Take a look at their website.

But, you never hesitate....

quote:

Originally posted by Jim Oliver:
I have lusted for one of the 3 inch. S&W .44s for a long time--the few that I have seen for sale were either not timed exactly right or didn't have perfect cyl/bbl alignment.

Also wanted a .44 Mountain Gun,-------I haven't given up on either one, but it ain't looking very promising!!


Looks like I'm in good company.
Cheers,
Jim

Like this one, Jim?

Tinker,
Your earlier post pretty well puts my thoughts in print. On the few occasions that I have fired the short .44 "for real" the recoil/noise didn't matter. For a shooter with lower "milage", they might be critical.......as would be the case with even a .357.


Whitworth,
You are being cruel!!

Cheers,
Jim

It seesm to me that there is a difference between a side arm for hunting/in the field use, and a concealed carry gun. For the former I would carry my Ruger 45 Colt, 4 5/8 barrel, and be very happy, however, it would not do for concealed carry, especially in Florida!
Peter.

Peter,

Agreed----there is a big difference. As I said, my CCW (for me, that is shorts and pull over shirt)is a Kimber Compact.

What little handgun hunting I do is with a S&W 617, 6 in. with 2x scope and a S&W 629 Classic, 6 1/2 in. with a 2x scope.

The S&W 29/629, 4 in. is my constant companion around my property (not much, but it's mine.) and when I am "on the road".

However, the 4 in. 44 can be concealed easier than you might think, depending on body build and dress. The round butt configuration just makes it lots easier.

Cheers,
Jim

Depends on the person, with my build I can easily carry a 29 with an oversize t-shirt and it is not seen. But I have a 54 inch chest and a 40 inch waist.

Agreed Jim. I too have a Kimber (can't remember the model) in 38 Super that I use for a carry gun.
Peter.

One 10mm not mentioned in the Glock 21. I have three friends who carry nothing but that gun both CC and in the field. They are accurate and hold up well to the beating a 10mm dishes out.

While I always carry a Commander in .38 Super for CC, while hunting, fishing, hiking, boating or backpacking I usually carry a revolver in .41 Magnum. They are S&Ws, Taurus, Freedom Arms and Rugers. Just last week I picked up a Taurus Titanium Tracker with the rare 6" barrel...it is an excellent shooter.

These were 6" desert plates at 15 yards. The first is slow fire DA and then after a slight sight adjustment 15 rounds rapid fire..




I also have a 4" Titanium and 4" Stainless... Great gus for the money...



Bob

Ported bbls.?? How do you like that feature?

Jim

I love my 10mm, but my brother and two friends all of whom are 45ACP shooters had the same comment about it...

That it was painful to make themselves fire it a second and third time.... one of my friends fired it once, looked thoughful, fired it a second time, then cleared it and handed it back and simply said "Enough!"

MY brother who has the 38super I traded him for a rifle nearly 20 years ago had the best comment, he said the recoil had the "oomph" of the 45 but the "sharpness" of the 38-super and it was a less than pleasant combination, not really suprising considering that it throws 45weight bullets, 180's & 200's at 38super MV's.



AD

Allan, what 10mm and what loads were they shooting?
Peter.

Two pistol/revolver rounds that have interested me are the 10 MM and the 45 Colt. Never loaded for the 10 MM, but did have a fling with the .45 Colt some years ago. If I had not been "married" to the .45 ACP and .44 Mag, the "fling" may have blossomed into full romance.............

Jim

quote:

Originally posted by Jim Oliver:
Two pistol/revolver rounds that have interested me are the 10 MM and the 45 Colt. Never loaded for the 10 MM, but did have a fling with the .45 Colt some years ago. If I had not been "married" to the .45 ACP and .44 Mag, the "fling" may have blossomed into full romance.............

Jim

It's not too late, Jim........

The department I work for carried S&W 1006 pistols for a few years. We managed to get the average shooter(and a few below average) to use the 10mm without much problem. But this was the first pistol we adopted after using .357 mag revolvers too.
We had good luck for our usual use of a handgun, dispatching injured deer off of three Interstate and multiple State roads. The 1006 was a big heavy pistol and when S&W discontinued it we were at a loss for weapons for new hires or to replace worn/damaged/retired guns so we went to .40Short&Weak pistols.
I miss the 10mm

My personal guns are either .45acp or .44 mag, boring but easy to feed. Still if the mood moved me and a 10mm was wagging it's little tail in a gun shop display case it might just follow me home...

It's a gimme what caliber I'd advise you to choose for the field. The .41Magnum has been a part of my life since the early '60s. It's never failed to do anything asked of it. I've killed everything from field mice to range cattle with one. At the last count, I'm back up to 37 firearms in .41Magnum and more in .41 caliber wildcats. I wouldn't hesitate to use a .41Magnum for a carry gun and on occassion have.

My second choice would be a 10mm. They are as close to a .41Magnum as I can get in a packable semi-auto (Desert Eagles don't count). Right now I've got a Glock 20 and 29, a Colt Delta, and a Kimber. Still, the 10mm is no .41Magnum simply due to case capacity.

Truth be told, you can't go wrong with any of them. Maybe rock, paper, and scissors would be the way to pick.

Joe, too funny. Do you use that technique to choose which of the 37......for the day? Lol.

Thanks guys.

I love it. It would make a hell of a packing gun.

quote:

Originally posted by 6.5BR:
Lloyd, I am STRONGLY looking at the Dan Wesson Bobtail, a commander sized gun with lower backside rounded off, like an FA97 round butt.

It FITS my hand very well and I believe it will do what I need. Could add BoMar adj. sites.

Dang, just read a glowing report looking up a pic of the gun..

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=98088

Here is a pic:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti...m.asp?Item=120994268

Tell me what you think Loyd. Love to 'test fire' one next to a good FA97 41 or 44sp shorty just because, and see what I hit with best. gun fit might win out the day. Did handle a lil 3.5" 97 in 45 colt at the SHOT show last week, felt nice with round butt....but a 4.25 or 5.5 would be my preference in that gun, again 41/44sp.

I had carried a 10mm, and took several hogs with it.. lovely piece..

that lasted up to the day that my wife was shooting an itty bitty rossi 38 and a taurus 9mm .. and asked to shot "youah big ole guhn"... so i handed that gorgeous blonde my eaa witness compact 10mm wonderfinish .. and I don't think I ever got to shoot it, much less take it out of the house to hunt with, again.

now i have a old vaquero bisley 45LC, and I am going to put adj sights on it

My favorite semi-auto round is the 10mm I have a Colt Delta Elite, Glock 20 & and 4.25" barreled Glock 29 in 10mm and for cheaper practice I have spare barrels in 40S&W for the 2 Glocks.

My favorite single action round is 45 Colt and I have 2 5.5" s/s Ruger Bisley Vaquero's.


My favorite double action round is 454 Casull in my 4.25" shortened Ruger SRH and for cheaper practice I shoot 45 Colt rounds.

I have carried all of these handguns for remote area protection.

quote:

Originally posted by Peter:
Allan, what 10mm and what loads were they shooting?
Peter.

Colt Delta Elite, STEEL mainspring housing
full length Wilson guide rod with a double thickness urethane shock buff pad and the stiffest outer recoil spring I could find

I only let them shoot some of the original
(Fast)Hornady 180gr loads, because I had a lot of them.
My brother was interested enough to fire my 10 on a couple other occasions after he got his Commander, because he was shooting CorBon ammo
and wanted a comparison, on that occasion it was some "warm" handloads with 180gr Speed Gold Dots.

My 1st 10mm was the Glock 20. I blew the magazine and the extractor out using some ammo the local range sold. The ammo manufactorer was reluctant to take me seriously until I showed him several cases (I hadn't noticed) with pretty bad cracks. I got a new model 20 out of the deal.

The new 20 did not shoot as well as my old model so I sold it and bought a Winess 10 in Wunder finish. It's a great pistol, a little hard to rack with the xtra power spring but it does it's part if I do mine.

Thanks, Alex

Anyone shoot the glock 29 in 10mm?
That think needs a pinky extended mag grip.

I do and yes it feel it does need an extension so I put one on all of my mags.

A G29 will also accept G20 mags and with a Scherer mag sleeve/spacer feels like a a G20SF.

I feel the 10mm requires a full size steel frame 1911 or Glock 20. I find my Kimber Stainless Target II is just fine, except the rear sight pin keeps trying to move. Reminds me of Colt Gold Cup with same problem. Otherwise, good carry guns both. Glock wasn't on your list. If you love 1911, I can understand it.

376, now that I handled the new SF Glock, things changed....it's in the mix....but the CZ-DW CBOB is what has fit my hand best...never was a 1911 fan....only had one, a 45 Champion Springfield, commander sized...heavy trigger...sights never regulated, even after a replacement. Those 2 things killed the chance for me to like it, and the 45 seems to nose dive after 50 yds or so.

Thanks.