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Hello all my guncrank friends... Can the BFR take a shortened 460 WBY based cart?  Since the cylinder is 3" long I was thinking what if the cylinder that could take a 2.5" 32 gauge shell maybe with the rims turned down a tad and add a step for the belt of the WBY case to fire both a shotgun shell and a 550 bullet at the end of a wby case or necked to 500 kinda like a short 500 A2. Even if the WBY case could not be used a 5 shot 32 gauge is a neet idea. Think of the Taurus "Judge" but more like the "Executioner"    577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | ||
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Boomy, I think the real quesion is who would actually be able to shoot it. I have shot and own some big rifles, but these big-bore handguns are harder to shoot in my opinion -- you don't have your whole body absorbing the recoil. While I am sure it is doable, you need to see wat some of these production monsters do on game -- they are lethal! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Yes I know more is not needed but a shotgun shell is easier to shoot than a rifle cart. A 5 shot 32 gauge carbine pistol would be fun to shoot. I was not thinking of a Safarikid Special snub nose but a long barrel version. Maybe a good removable brake to tame it as well. WBY cases are cheap and plentiful. the only advantage is to shoot 500 plus grain bullets or the larger 550 bullet. 5 700 grain pills @ 1300 fps is a fun prospect 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Sounds painful to me. The .50 Alaskan will shoot a 525 grain bullet at 1600 fps and 600s over 1400 fps -- the recoil is debilitating and it renders these pistols almost useless. Oddly enough they don't seem to kill any better than the lumbering .500 Linebaugh. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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well the shotgun would not need a break but the full house loads would need a break. I wonder how fast 500 grainers could fly out of a 16" barrel. Rechamber a 500 S&W BFR to a 500 Cyrus with a break. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boomie, my 50 Alaskan with Buffalo Bore 525 grain flat point hard cast clocks just under 1600 FPS and is abussive in the recoil department and that is with a muzzle break. Here it is being shot at the Linebaugh Seminar in Jackson, Miss. last year.  With handloads it will exceed 1600 FPS substantialy and will exceed 1400 FPS with 600 grainers. With the exception of the WOW factor it is not worth the effort IMHO. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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OK I agree more is not needed... But yaknow... Like I said the only advantage is shooting the 32 gauge shells, shooting a fatter .550" bullet or shooting the 700 ish grain t-rex bullets. I think some testing is needed  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Get crackin' Boomy! We'll start a fund for your orthopedic doctor bills!  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Well,sounds like my kind of fun! I'll take one!let me know when and where to send funds! LOL!  "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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SAFARIKID... I have to find a crazy enough pistolsmith who can think outside the box. what is the contact # of the guy who did your custom bfr's? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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It is Jack Huntington and he can be contacted at 530-268-6877 _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Tom, how did I know that somehow this was going to appeal to you? Give Jack a call, Boomie! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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OK SAFARIKID...You got your wish... Jack said it is doable and he likes the idea. He said the cylinder would need to be made from "Carpenter 465" a strong stainless. He likes the versatility of the shotgun shells. The bigger bullet will help with keeping the preasures down. This would be the absolute biggest you could go on a BFR. He liked the idea of using the heavy 550 rifle bullets so a case of 2.2" might be a good compromise and seat out lighter bullets if needed. A heavy crimp is gunna be needed for this cart. It has to leave his company with a 17" barrel to be legal for him to sell but whatever happens after that is not his concern. The longer barrel and slow powder will help with preasures too. This cart would be able to work in a short action rifle as well. This gun could get a nice write up I think. SAFARIKID needs a write up in a gun mag too The only thing this needs besides getting made is a name... Got any Ideas SAFARIKID? How about 550 SAFARI in your honor? A Biiiig 5 revolver round  here is a link to links to sources of 550 bullets http://www.custombrassandbullets.com/bullets1.html Damn! those could put something big down... Those 800 grainers look cool!  Easy to get brass and bullets! 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Whitworth,as far as me possibly wanting one,I guess you made a "Lucky Guess"!LOL....Boomstick,I will be thinking of a name...but for starters,Kong...Zilla...Thunderbeast...The Hulk...Giaganticus....or maybe .550MAN (Mean and Nasty)! ...Lets get one started(8"Octagon)...Jack has another BFR on the bench for me now,it will be a 500Smith this time with a shorter barrel,2" short! (the 50/110 is a much longer 2.5"!!!) Ha! Why you guys ask....Cuz I can!(and I have to much free time!)"That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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GREAT! As far as the name goes it just needs to be good for a headstamp. SAFARIKID...You are THE MAN!  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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And I thought I was a big bore handgun nut, you guys have me beat...lol If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Redhawk, it always looks good on paper to jack velocities up with heavy bullets until someone has to actually touch one off! John Taffin can't shoot the heavy recoilers any more as he has done permanent damage to himself from shooting too many heavily-loaded big caliber handguns in his younger days -- it does take its toll eventually if you do it enough......."Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Hey Tom, you gonna come out to California to test fire this beast if we build it? After the last one I'm not sure anyone in the shop will test fire anything any bigger.... | |||
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Who was the unlucky bugger who drew the short straw? I know Jack didn't wanna shoot it!! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I haven't shot mine since the shoulder surgery, but I will shoot it soon. I had no problem shooting mine before but, a sturdy 2 hand grip is required. The negative about these over size monstrosities is that they do not kill any better than the standard size big bore revolvers, nor do they penetrate any better unless we are talking about Punch bullets. The neat thing about them is the WOW factor when you pull it out. _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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and when your crease your forehead....... "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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 Maybe they could fire some powder puff loads. I would make the trip to test it being in Kalifornia. Maybe use shootaways motorcycle helmet recoil trick 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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This would have the WOW factor and the title of the largest cart on the 5 shot BFR rig and would be a one of a kind just like SAFARIKID. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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And all that extra Energy... If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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It has to be a snowmobile helmet, Boomie -- that will make it official! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Ahh... thanks for the correction. I say just start off light till you cant stand it and then do the crash test dummy thing. I think I could probably stand twice the recoil of the 500 S&W 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Bite your tongue, Redhawk! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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You know me...  If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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This is in a big way making the biggest hole possible like your tag line. Think of it like going from a 41 mag to a 460 S&W No expansion necessary so heavy flat nose solids can make a nice hole from snooter to tooter and any bone in between. Them 800 grain flat nose fmj's would be a doosie and you have 5 shots 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I would LUV to and also visit my Old Friend Clint Walker(Cheyenne!)He too lives in Grass Valley...Just "Geturdun" and tell Jack Hello fer me!  ...PS.Maybe I can get my 2" 500 Smith back soon so I can have one on each hip...John Wayne style! "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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Marko, Jason test fired Tom's big one. He said the torque was big surprise. If I recall Jack did offer him a full face helmet but he declined. We uasualy let Ed test fire big guns. He's about 5'6" and 290. A fire plug. 500 nitro's move him about as much as a 243 moves me. But since Jason built it he figured he needed to do the deed. If any of you are ever out our way we'd love to have come by! We uasualy have some good show and tell projects. | |||
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Good talking with you SAFARIKID  Will talk to Jack more today if he is free. Soon there will be a new sherriff in town...and he is pissed! lol SAFARIKID liked the name 55 Express so that would be the working name for now. (hmmm...kinda close to Jeffeosso's 550 express) Anyhoo this will be FUN!  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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It might be a while comming but some more details... The case can vary in length from 2.15" to 2.5" we need at least 30 thou to accomodate possible bullet walking so with rifle bullets we are looking at a case length of 2.15" to 2.17" if the crimp to canalure is .8" A longer case and a shorter bullet can be used to but the "Fun" would be in the heavies. This requires a good amount of custom work so it would not be cheap but can be done. The cost is increased mostly because of the special cylinder the material needed and Jacks wanting to "Do it right". 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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LOL, Shawn! I can just picture Jason shooting that beast with a full-faced helmet on!! I'll bet that thing torques like hell!"Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Same here Boomstick!....Lets keep this on the burners and I hope to have JH get me one built in the future,then I will design a Bungee strap to the end of the muzzle as I think I will have a 5" Octagon on it!! "That's not a knife..THIS is a KNIFE" ! | |||
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Yes sir... All projects take time and moolah so let's start with the cheap and quick things... Cart design, reamer print, reamers, dies ECT then the more more substantial things like donor guns and smithing. Remember this can be done on a short action bolt if anyone is inclined. SAFARIKID... I will keep the fire burning  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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One of you lunatics better make a short call followed by a letter to the Firearms Technology Branch of the ATF in WV. Tell them what you're doing specifically ask: I'm making a new cartridge XYZXYZ is it Ok if I put it into a revolver? A revolver with a short barrel? Load it with rifle bullets which are monometal? You may be surprised at the answers. Also check the CAL DOJ site for specifics which may be prohibited cause it's an over 50 pistol not over 50 rifle. | |||
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Thanks Maqcifej...As long as the barrel is 17" when it leaves the shop it is fine according to Jack. A rifle cart can go in a short barrel gun but registering the cart is a good idea. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Has anyone ever serial produced an over 50 BORE handgun?? | |||
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Not that I know of, Macifej. The one missing element from this equation (aside from the funding ) is finding a person nutty enough to squeeze the trigger -- going to definitely need to borrow shootaway's snowmobile helmet....... "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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