A poorly photoshopped version of the 550 big 5

The .500 JRH -- all you'll ever need!

Wimps...I'm waiting for someone to try the 45-120 with high pressure smokeless loadings.

Needs???

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
The .500 JRH -- all you'll ever need!

That is more just personal preference, all one really needs is a 45 Colt right.... Myself, I prefer big holes that the 500 Mag and my new 510 GNR will make..

But we all know it is not need drivin...

Boomstick...shame-shame on you!

I've shot these big boys pretty extensively, as have a few of you and have taken game with them -- as have a few of you, but this is all fairy tale cartridge development, not based on any reality and certainly not field reality -- you know, where you not only carry the weapon for hours on end, and then you shoot animals with it. I can tell you also that I own and have shot some big caliber rifles, and these heavy recoiling handguns are harder to shoot well than the rifles are (no body supporting and absorbing the recoil).

So, keep mentally masturbating, and I'll keep practicing with mine for use on game -- you know, what they're made for......

There is a diff between mental masturbation and serious wildcatting... This is leaning twards the latter and hey...If masturbation was not enjoyable nobody would be doing it. I am enjoying this and yes if I had lots of resouces I would be dangerous

remember when everyone marveled at the power of the 44 mag? everyone thought that was the limit... look what has come since. remember all of those who scoffed at the 500??? look how popular that is. Nobody "Needs" a 600 Overkill or a 6 1/2 lb. one but that is someones taste. loony? Yes. fun? Yes.

I will not always be limited in resouces but I can dream and come up with good ideas and help others. Not all have been good but sone are. There is Ideal and practical and this idea is neither and that is its charm.

lets all have a beer

This isn't serious wildcatting until someone actually builds it.........

If these proposed cartridges actually offered something inovative and some sort of improvement over established cartridges, I would be all for it, but, pushing these bullets faster doesn't necessarily equate to better performance -- ON GAME. And that, my friends, is the bottom line -- at least for me it is.......

I say save your beer money for hunting.....

Well this is good for a bolt as well as the BFR.
SAFARIKID expressed interest to build one and it just starts from there. I have no doubt that he would kill a few things with it. If this gets made in either form I would hope you would be pleased. I have two viable wildcats to my name and am just getting started

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Well this is good for a bolt as well as the BFR.
SAFARIKID expressed interest to build one and it just starts from there. I have no doubt that he would kill a few things with it. If this gets made in either form I would hope you would be pleased. I have two viable wildcats to my name and am just getting started

Please enlighten me as to the Wildcats that you have built that bear your name. I read a lot of post where you are dreaming about some needless wildcat, but I am not aware of any that you have built.
You are about 100 years late to be a serious wildcatter. I dought that you can dream up anything that hasn't allready been tried by someone. Hell Barnes was about 40 or 50 years behind P.O. Ackley with the all copper bullets. Reasearch far enough back and you will find that it is not new at all.

The belted 585 that people are making and brass too and the 500 kill all and again that is being made and brass too. They are in my sig line.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
The belted 585 that people are making and brass too and the 500 kill all and again that is being made and brass too. They are in my sig line.

Do you have a picture of the rifles that you built around those cartridges?

Not yet. I would be happy to post pics when I do.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
Not yet. I would be happy to post pics when I do.

So you haven't wildcatted anything..

I am trying to follow you...
Are there guns in the works and firing? Yes
Do I own these guns, No
Will I? Yes.
Are some of my Ideas good? I think so.
Are all of my ideas good? No.
Have I designed and help make these happen? Yes, with the help of others here.

I make no claim that I am PO Ackley and have many of my own guns and lots of experise but I am a wildcat enthusiast and that is where I am today.

By the time I am 50 will I be all those things? I hope so.

I would like to think that I am pretty open about what I am and what I am not but to try to belittle me for what I am not is easy to do but why???

I am proud of the development of a couple carts that have come to fruition and will come to fruition with my involvement. I am sorry if that is not enough for you. I would so much rather make friends than pissing contest rivals. I wish you well.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
I am trying to follow you...
Are there guns in the works and firing? Yes
Do I own these guns, No
Will I? Yes.
Are some of my Ideas good? I think so.
Are all of my ideas good? No.
Have I designed and help make these happen? Yes, with the help of others here.

I make no claim that I am PO Ackley and have many of my own guns and lots of experise but I am a wildcat enthusiast and that is where I am today.

By the time I am 50 will I be all those things? I hope so.

I would like to think that I am pretty open about what I am and what I am not but to try to belittle me for what I am not is easy to do but why???

I am proud of the development of a couple carts that have come to fruition and will come to fruition with my involvement. I am sorry if that is not enough for you. I would so much rather make friends than pissing contest rivals. I wish you well.

Not hard to follow, you claim to be a wildcatter, right. I just wanted to know what you had wildcatted, and it appears that you have not widcatted anything. I believe that means you are a dreamer, nothing wrong with that per say. If you want to wildcat then do it, but don't try telling me that a bigger cased cartridge is needed, because they are not. I have a 50 Alaskan revolver and for hunting purposes it is CERTAINLY NOT NEEDED. It offers no additional killing power over a 475 or 500 LRH or LInebaugh cartridge not even when fired from a rifle DTDT. They can be shot well, but are difficult under true field conditions on fair chase hunts.
Bigger revolver cartridges than a 475 or 500 JRH or Linebaugh are a solution to a non-existing problem

Maybe I was not clear enough when I posted the humorous response "needs???" I have always said this is not a needs thing but a unique and powerful cart for a handgun and not so much for a rifle.

Yes, I will wear "Dreamer" as a badge of honor

That might make a good addition to my sig line.

JWP not to get involved in your war of words with boom stick, but what makes you set the standards of what is acceptable for hunting?

Your last statement "Bigger revolver cartridges than a 475 or 500 JRH or Linebaugh are a solution to a non-existing problem." Is that just your opinion or again are you giving your expert opinion?

Because I hear the same argument that the 44 Mag shooters say about anything over the 44 Mag. I don't know why the cartridges you own are the best for hunting, and anything other than that is just plain not needed.

Sure we all can just use your suggested rounds, but not everyone wants what you have, we are all different and want different things. But I am still perplexed as to why you think what you use is the best or anything bigger or faster is not needed. When did you become the expert on what is needed?

Not trying to start another shit slinging thread with you, but you are always the first guy on here to put someone down for wanting more.


My upper limit of handguns that I like, is my 500 Mag, it will shot from mild loads to loads I don't like to shoot. The only reason I would not go bigger, is because I don't want to take the excessive recoil associated with it. Not because I would not want more "killing power"

If boom stick wants to dream about big bore handguns, let him. If he wants to shoot guns bigger than what you have, let him. But don't try to belittle or put him down for it.

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Originally posted by Redhawk1:

Your last statement "Bigger revolver cartridges than a 475 or 500 JRH or Linebaugh are a solution to a non-existing problem." Is that just your opinion or again are you giving your expert opinion?
Because I hear the same argument that the 44 Mag shooters say about anything over the 44 Mag. I don't know why the cartridges you own are the best for hunting, and anything other than that is just plain not needed.

Sure we all can just use your suggested rounds, but not everyone wants what you have, we are all different and want different things. But I am still perplexed as to why you think what you use is the best or anything bigger or faster is not needed. When did you become the expert on what is needed?

Not trying to start another shit slinging thread with you, but you are always the first guy on here to put someone down for wanting more.


My upper limit of handguns that I like, is my 500 Mag, it will shot from mild loads to loads I don't like to shoot. The only reason I would not go bigger, is because I don't want to take the excessive recoil associated with it. Not because I would not want more "killing power"

If boom stick wants to dream about big bore handguns, let him. If he wants to shoot guns bigger than what you have, let him. But don't try to belittle or put him down for it.

When moving from the 44s up to the 45s, 475s, 500s there is a definate step up in performance for sure. The 50 Alaskan even when fired from a rifle on Asian Buffalo did not out perform the 475 or 500 Linebaugh or JRH, cal Jack and ask him hell he shot it with the rifle. In the Linebaugh test my 50 Alaskan did not out penetrate the 500 Linebaugh even though it was nearly 500 FPS faster, ask MSHitman, he was there in fact he shot it, or call John Linebaugh he was there also. John Linebaugh has reached the conclusion after several decades of shooting and testing these big bore that anything over 1200 FPS is not needed.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Is that just your opinion or again are you giving your expert opinion?"

My opion and my experience is just that.

Shoot a few head of game with your 480 and 510 Reader and let me know what is lacking, if anything. I think that you will find them to be very effective much more so than any 44 ever could be.

JWP I am not saying that the 475s, 500s are not definite steps up in performance over the 44 Mag, I understand that very well, that's why I don't own a 44 mag, 45 Colts and above for me.

But what I question is, and I know you gave me a few people that will back what you posted. But penetration is not the only factor that people like myself are looking for. I know what you are saying, after a certain point more velocity will not get you more penetration. That is where resistance plays a big factor in the equation. But it goes back to the old battle we had some months back, "energy".

Myself I wanted more energy and that was why the decision for the 500 mag.

Yes lately I have bought a few handguns that do not meet what I was after before, but I know they will work, the 480 Ruger is a proven round as well as the 510 GNR.

I cannot wait to go to Maine in August on my up coming bear hunt, the 510 GNR is getting the call for the hunt. The 480 is going to be my gun for deer season this year and I may try a hog hunt with it also.

My 510 GNR loaded with 350 gr. bullets and 29.0 gr. of IMR 4227 is producing 1285 fps, and I know that is more than enough for any black bear out there.

While wildcatting for the sake of wildcatting can be fun, there was a time when there were "holes" in available cartridges, necessitating the creation of cartridges to fill certain niches. Nowadays it's not so necessary, but hell, knock yourself out. Even though PO Ackley was the consumate wildcatter, he took lots of game, and understood the practicality of cartridges and their usage. Bigger cartridges necessitate bigger handguns. More powder and velocity equates to more recoil and control issue -- especially if follow-up shots are necessary. We can argue till the cows come home about muzzle energy, and quite frankly even 2,500 ft-lbs isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things and in my opinion doesn't amount to much of anything on game either. I've seen animals run off when hit with 1,000 ft-lbs, and I've seen 'em run off after getting hit with 5,000 ft-lbs........

So, is it necessary to keep jacking the speeds up for some figure that you have to calculate and not measure? If we keep building bigger rounds, are we even going to be able to carry the huge revolvers that are needed to house them?? Food for thought, not for a pissing contest.

Well after some thought I figured one way to make this work is to use 475 Nitro Express #2 cases trimmed to 2.165" and maybe the rims turned down a tad. If short custom bullets are used it could work in a lever action to boot.

Anyone got a Browning lever action they dont want?

so this would be a rifle cart in a BFR and get past the .500" rule I think.

Just trim and stuff the cases. Yes cases would be about $4 each but at least it would solve some problems.

Any coments?

The 550 shortie in a wby case is still a good idea...this is just a different wat to skin the 550 cat.