They have passed that LAW because they have so many ILLEGAL MEXICAN GANG MEMBERS, and they can cannot control them with their normal laws...

I have spent a "fair" amount of time in LA.

SO the law abiding citizens have to suffer.

THAT LAW is unconstititional.

Lets see what happens.

PS. Shoot a dozen Condors, end the Lead Ban.

Does this mean the death of mail-order ammo? So if you lived in Kalifornia and drove to AZ to get some Ammo, you would be breaking the law correct?

This just goes to show how sold out the governator is. I helped elect him when he ran due to him saying he wouldn't do stuff like this. I'm glad I moved. I just hope it is upheld for the Hollywood idiots buying the blanks for the movies too. I doubt it! I feel sorry for the sportmen I know that still live there. Depending on how it is written, this could extend to reloading as well making components harder to purchase too. Sad thing is, several innocent people will be arrested before they figure out exactly how this law will be interpreted.

I'm in NM. Born and Raised.

Every time I see reports of our freedoms being eroded in various places in the country, I'm amazed.

I don't know where this will end. I can see why there is a run on components, tactical weapons, ammo...............

Get ready for the revolution

This kind of law doesn't happen over night .. where's dirty dave and all the "don't be a kali hater" posse, and how many times did they call their reps and the governor's office?

quote:

Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
They have passed that LAW because they have so many ILLEGAL MEXICAN GANG MEMBERS, and they can cannot control them with their normal laws...

I have spent a "fair" amount of time in LA.

SO the law abiding citizens have to suffer.

THAT LAW is unconstititional.

Lets see what happens.

PS. Shoot a dozen Condors, end the Lead Ban.

Come on, does anyone really think this is about crime control. Nope, this is about forcing gun owners out of the state or to sell their guns. The liberals have finally figured out a way around the 2nd ammend. Just tax & or so rigidly control ammo that gun owners relent & get rid fo their evil guns. Kalif is doomed, it is beyond saving. Everyone w/ a skill or education should move to another state & let Mexico have Kalif. It will eventually be suburb of Mexico anyway.
You can call you rep & write until you are blue in the face. The liberal population centers have control of the state. The few conservative counties just do not have the population to vote out the liberqal bastards that are ruining the state. The Gov. could have vetoed it, but he wants something from the liberals & as usual, they lied to him about giving tit for tat. I've lived here for 445yrs on & off. I will not retire here.

quote:

Originally posted by fredj338:

quote:

Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
They have passed that LAW because they have so many ILLEGAL MEXICAN GANG MEMBERS, and they can cannot control them with their normal laws...

I have spent a "fair" amount of time in LA.

SO the law abiding citizens have to suffer.

THAT LAW is unconstititional.

Lets see what happens.

PS. Shoot a dozen Condors, end the Lead Ban.

Come on, does anyone really think this is about crime control. Nope, this is about forcing gun owners out of the state or to sell their guns. The liberals have finally figured out a way around the 2nd ammend. Just tax & or so rigidly control ammo that gun owners relent & get rid fo their evil guns. Kalif is doomed, it is beyond saving. Everyone w/ a skill or education should move to another state & let Mexico have Kalif. It will eventually be suburb of Mexico anyway.
You can call you rep & write until you are blue in the face. The liberal population centers have control of the state. The few conservative counties just do not have the population to vote out the liberqal bastards that are ruining the state. The Gov. could have vetoed it, but he wants something from the liberals & as usual, they lied to him about giving tit for tat. I've lived here for 445yrs on & off. I will not retire here.

Exactly right. Another sad day for what once was a nice place to live. It really sucks.

What really appalls me is that apparently all Californians are willing to do is abandon their land and leave. When it comes to taking real steps to prevent such bullshit, to put up a real fight, they don't even organize, work hard, and throw ANY of the left-wing bastards out of office as a first step....(and eventually, one would hope, all of them).

Apparently Californians don't recall what the REAL patriots did at Lexington and Concord when old George the III tried ammunition control. Sure, it cost those patriots A HELL OF A LOT when they did it and for at least nine years afterward, but they had the balls to do it, and eventually they won a great deal more than they stood to lose.

Anyway, please don't move here. We need people willing to lay it on the line, to contribute to our preventing the same leftist bullshit from flowing across our border. We don't need a bunch of RINOs or CINOs or impotent whiners.

I live in upstate NY where we have to listen to all the liberals from Albany and NYC where we have Blomberg and shuemer, Patterson and Charlie Rangel and that's just a few. They are also coming after the ammo and it just a way to control out guns. I think we are relly going to need them in the near future. The only ones they want to have arms are the military, police and criminals and the criminals have the advantage, they don't have a list liberal rules to go by when they fire there weapons and they get free council. WHAT'S WRONG AMERICA????

quote:

Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
What really appalls me is that apparently all Californians are willing to do is abandon their land and leave. When it comes to taking real steps to prevent such bullshit, to put up a real fight, they don't even organize, work hard, and throw ANY of the left-wing bastards out of office as a first step....(and eventually, one would hope, all of them).

Apparently Californians don't recall what the REAL patriots did at Lexington and Concord when old George the III tried ammunition control. Sure, it cost those patriots A HELL OF A LOT when they did it and for at least nine years afterward, but they had the balls to do it, and eventually they won a great deal more than they stood to lose.

Anyway, please don't move here. We need people willing to lay it on the line, to contribute to our preventing the same leftist bullshit from flowing across our border. We don't need a bunch of RINOs or CINOs or impotent whiners.

WOW Ac ! Are we also the same group that allowed our kids to get killed to get rid of Weapons of mass distruction? roger

quote:

Originally posted by bartsche:
WOW Ac ! Are we also the same group that allowed our kids to get killed to get rid of Weapons of mass distruction? roger

Really? there's a link between kali signing an ammo law (i guess <50 rounds aint MASS distruction) and international war?

REALLY? Seriously? And WMD AINT why we went to Afganistan or Iraq, now, is it? If it was, ALL of those ticked off congressmen would have recalled our troops.

its NEVER that simple, and the connection attempt is just odd, roger

Well just paint me odd. roger

Kind of like this Gun forum site , it's a Stacked non vote-able deck !.











There you are the assemblage of Village Idiots !. Don't feel sorry for us ,as it's coming

too Your states soon enough !. That fat gagging spic who was just appointed too the Supreme Court , along with Bloomberg and Holder will take down Illinois , New York and so the domino's fall !!!.

This only for now has to do with handgun ammo, the 50 rds per month was taken out, law does not go into effect till Feb 2011.

Time to go to court.

Roger - I am sorry if you feel offended.

But there is no nice way to put it. You guys need to take action, and you need to do it THERE where the crappy laws come about more and more often. Running away from it won't cure the problem. Putting it off 'til tomorrow won't help either. Counting on the NRA or someone else to rescue California won't do it.

It HAS to be you guys, and it has to be SOON.

I know this is blunt talk. But, what else will wake California shooters up?

Surely you guys can't win the whole ball game in one fell swoop. But you CAN pick out the single weakest legislator who voted for that legislation, and vote him or her out of office next election, and tell everyone you did it, and why you did it.

Then you can pick the next weakest one and toss them out the next election. And keep doing it. Bit by bit, the others will get the message. You may lose some nice "pork" in the process, maybe a LOT of pork. But, it is either worth it or it isn't.

If it isn't worth it to Kalifornia shooters, I personally don't want to listen to a lot more moaning from Kalifornians.

Sorry, but enough is enough.

We already had to do that in Oregon, and may well have to do it again, too, maybe soon. But so far our state legislators haven't forgotten the lessons we taught them about 20 years ago.

In the meantime, we don't need any more folks moving here who aren't willing to make a stand to save their own asses.

Eurocentric how is it you come up with the interpreation that buying ammo in another state and coming back iwth it would be ilegal...

I doubt Roger feels offended, Canuck-

I expect he thinks you were a little in your cups, or perhaps just getting old and out of touch.

We've exercised our democratic rights, lobbied, and done everything we can within the limits of our democratic process to stop this legislation.

The fact is that most Californians did not grow up with the rural tradition of hunting, most don't understand shooting sports, and most equate firearms with crime, violence and destruction.

[As an aside, I see California as proof of the failure of democracy. There's a pile of wealth here, but the state is broke. And it's not like Michigan, where the auto makers failed. It's something far more systemic.

Rather, our citizens have bought into an ethos that values appearance over reality; envy, in the sense that our purchases and lifestyles are not, commonly, what we need, but what we need to impress our neighbors; and, in general, an acceptance of what we view on television as some sort of truth.

All these people vote.

And they don't tend to vote for those who espouse firearms rights.]

I won't even address your second paragraph. It sounds like you advocate armed rebellion. At least to me.

I don't have to remind you that the last thing we need is to be seen by the general public as the same kind of violent crazies they're already pretty certain we are.

As to moving to Oregon... that is so '60s.

Are Californians still doing this?

I though they were all going to Montana, or Idaho.

It's a nice place for a fishing trip, though.

Or a good place to die.

flaco

N.B. My personal choice of sedition is to take liberals to the range.

As it turns out, they usually have so much fun shooting they understand why we do this.

LOL.

quote:

Originally posted by flaco:
I doubt Roger feels offended, Canuck-
N.B. My personal choice of sedition is to take liberals to the range.

As it turns out, they usually have so much fun shooting they understand why we do this.

LOL.

Nicely written! roger
NOTE BENE:
As old age thickens my hide the expressed feelings others have of Californians makes less of a dent. I also realize that if someone really wants to be an activist there are bigger fish to fry than taking a militant stand against shity gun laws.

Well one lefty Justice will be retiring soon and Obama will select another even crazier lefty. So we have 4 americans in the court, 4 socialists and one middle-of-the-way justice

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doc224/375:
Kind of like this Gun forum site , it's a Stacked non vote-able deck !.

quote:

Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
Roger - I am sorry if you feel offended.

But there is no nice way to put it. You guys need to take action, and you need to do it THERE where the crappy laws come about more and more often. Running away from it won't cure the problem. Putting it off 'til tomorrow won't help either. Counting on the NRA or someone else to rescue California won't do it.

It HAS to be you guys, and it has to be SOON.

I know this is blunt talk. But, what else will wake California shooters up?

Surely you guys can't win the whole ball game in one fell swoop. But you CAN pick out the single weakest legislator who voted for that legislation, and vote him or her out of office next election, and tell everyone you did it, and why you did it.

Then you can pick the next weakest one and toss them out the next election. And keep doing it. Bit by bit, the others will get the message. You may lose some nice "pork" in the process, maybe a LOT of pork. But, it is either worth it or it isn't.

If it isn't worth it to Kalifornia shooters, I personally don't want to listen to a lot more moaning from Kalifornians.

Sorry, but enough is enough.

We already had to do that in Oregon, and may well have to do it again, too, maybe soon. But so far our state legislators haven't forgotten the lessons we taught them about 20 years ago.

In the meantime, we don't need any more folks moving here who aren't willing to make a stand to save their own asses.

What you fail to understand is the way the districts are jurymandered, conseratives can NOT vote out theses hacks. The major poulation centers control the states votes. Many of the rural counties are Rep. but they have small population numbers. It's just not as easy as you think.
There are organized groups trying to get the voters to react, but there are not that many legal gun owners in the heavily populated, Liberal welfare counties. The idiots get reelected every year or after term limits, their equally stupid & liberal substitute is voted in. Come on, do you really think that the SF or LA areas will elect a Rep congresman? Oregon is almost as bad, or at least will eventually move in the same direction because the same liberal wingnuts here are moving there.
At some point you throw your hands up & quit, move to a state that appreciates your tax dolllar & doesn't piss it away on govt. workers & govt. programs. I've lived here 30+yrs now & see the decline. For almost all of those years, Liberals have been in charge of the legislature, they spend the money & raise the taxes. The state is doomed, & IMO, really not worth fighting for anyway. The only good thing here, the fricking weather.
Whiel I am not opposed to armed rebellion, one man doing it is called terrorism & you will not be treated as a hero, but your act will be portrayed as an terrible injustice to society by the liberal media. You can't get people that don't own guns to vote against their wallet. Much of Kalif. is a welfare state, either directly or through the govt. employees unions. I've been seeing it coming for 15yrs now, talk till I am blue in the face, write, call e-mail my rep. nothing happens. Why, more people care about American Idol than what goes on in their govt. even in Oregon.

Just to add insult to injury, I just heard on CNBC ( the business channel) that PROK is going to ban large screen TV sales. Why, you may ask? BECAUSE the kaliforncators argue that large screen TV's use too much power.
I just puke every time the Left Coast thinks they have the right to dictate hoe everyone should be living their lives. Talk about social engineering. F@@k Kalif. & the horse it rode in on.
Bear in Fairbanks

fredj338

I agree with most of what you say.

I will bet that at least 65-70% of Ca. own guns the trouble is only 20% are gun nuts like you and I the other 50% might own 1-2 guns for long term self defense they never fire them and don't really care about us 20% as long as they have a box of 38 or shotshells.

California is 2 states in one the liberal retards that live along the coast then the regular folks who live in land and like you said the democRATS have turned these Republican districts into huge areas with one vote.

I just love it when others ASSume that because our leftist legislators are screwwing us to the floorboards that we as gun owners haven't done our jobs of protecting our rights. Hell, I've emailed, called, written all of my legislators and have even gone door to door signing up voters. I put up a 4x12 ft sign on my ranch on Hwy 1 against some antigun legislation that was up for a vote a few years ago. What California has is ONE PARTY RULE which by the way is the Democrat party. As goes California, so goes the rest of the country. You have a population that is primarily urban who have the majority of the votes. The rest of us are screwed. That's why I never miss a chance to get someone shooting anytime they come visit with my kids. Every time you can get someone to shoot, you have the chance of opening their minds beyond what is reported in the news.

quote:

Originally posted by Hunt-ducks:
fredj338

I agree with most of what you say.

I will bet that at least 65-70% of Ca. own guns the trouble is only 20% are gun nuts like you and I the other 50% might own 1-2 guns for long term self defense they never fire them and don't really care about us 20% as long as they have a box of 38 or shotshells.

California is 2 states in one the liberal retards that live along the coast then the regular folks who live in land and like you said the democRATS have turned these Republican districts into huge areas with one vote.

I would bet that only about 35% of Californians own guns. In the long run we are screwed and it doesn't help that so many gun owners are wising-up and fleeing the state.

quote:

Originally posted by flaco:
...blah blah blah
LOL.

Just speak for yourself, Bobbie... state YOUR opinion, not extrapolate others.. standup, son, like you have a spine...

you might take this approach, and stop restating whatever someone else says.. not "your boss" .. or the "boat rebuilding boys" .. or anyone else..

Do it for yourself, or have a big glass of SHUTUP

I get a little tired of the Big Brother mentality
Granted I don't care for any new gun law this one will have zero effect on me as a gun owner. I have to give my friggin drivers license when I by powder, so I don't know what the big deal is.

This law has nothing to do with trying to run gun owners out of California, It is a method of controlling the punks that have no business owning gun from getting ammunition.

The laws that are trying to run gun owners out of this state have already been passed.
Handgun safety tests, Assault weapons ban, 50 cal ban, magazine capacity ban Shall I go on

Blacktailer
Well said You are correct it is a one party system. Ever feel like you're pissing up a rope? Well come to California and try to vote thses sob's out good friggin luck. Fienstien should have been pushed out back in 89 with roberti rosse (SP?) All because some wacko got an AK and decide to use it at a school yard. They failed to mention that piece of crap was released early and should not have been able to get a gun in the first place. but this was before the NICS system.
Most people that I run it to don't hunt fish or shoot. They live their life and couldn't careless about gun rights. Most feel the Police will take care of them. BoyI want to see what they would do being robed, mugged, raped, what ever I call 911 on my Iphone that will fix them.
If I was only allowed to carry my USP 45 concealed along with a few more citizens we'd be better off. But Nop We have no real reason to carrie concealed so they don issue permits.
I'm thinking of moving to Vermont where they have no state gun laws the federal laws are good enough.
But the funny thing is California is usually the state with the most restrictive laws going But we can Smoke pot and that just might be the problem it's getting to the politicians their probably smoking it too.

quote:

Originally posted by kcstott:
I have to give my friggin drivers license when I by powder, so I don't know what the big deal is.

This law has nothing to do with trying to run gun owners out of California, It is a method of controlling the punks that have no business owning gun from getting ammunition.

THIS is why the laws pass .. it IS a big deal . its HUGE.. and the bad guys aren't buying ammo at walmart

I know its been a few years---
does anyone recall the shipment of full autos and ammo from China found on a ship in San Pedro?

I vaguely remenber one of the Customs guys saying something along the lines of--

" Yeah , but we missed two others to the gangs that we know of"



As long as our ports are so poorly secured as to international shipping--

HOW can anyone believe the gangs will be significantly effected --
(as usual with the left, play to the emotion not the logic)


As I see this--
It is more feel good legislation for the lefts masses that also is also insidiously designed to directly impinge on BOR-II.

Just more "conditioning" of the populace to prepare the way for further bans.

Thas right, they buy it in truckloads from the mexican mafia, which sells to anyone. Which gets it from the USA.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by kcstott:
I have to give my friggin drivers license when I by powder, so I don't know what the big deal is.

This law has nothing to do with trying to run gun owners out of California, It is a method of controlling the punks that have no business owning gun from getting ammunition.

THIS is why the laws pass .. it IS a big deal . its HUGE.. and the bad guys aren't buying ammo at walmart

Hunt Ducks posted ;



Posted 16 October 2009 01:36
fredj338

I agree with most of what you say. As Do I !.

I will bet that at least 65-70% of Ca. own guns the trouble is only 20% are gun nuts like you and I the other 50% might own 1-2 guns for long term self defense they never fire them and don't really care about us 20% as long as they have a box of 38 or shotshells.

California is 2 states in one the liberal retards that live along the coast then the regular folks who live in land and like you said the democRATS have turned these Republican districts into huge areas with
one vote.


Another " GROWING PROBLEM " which our state faces is loss of recreational habitat , as well as closure of State parks . Along with loss of leases pertaining to shooting ranges !.

Regardless of ones political views certain undeniable facts have occurred ; Kommyfornia is bellying up financially which has been under the tight control of Dimwitted Dummycrats since 1974 ( Fact ) .

Increasing fees licenses taxes and circumventing the Constitution in order to provide " WHAT " ?.

Additional illegal programs for minority's ,welfare recipients along with stricter environmental

regulations higher taxes , which has all but shut down Businesses in the state !.

Urban squallier inbreeds terminal stupidity amongst the vast majority of minority's !. ( Not racial just Factual ! ).

The vast majority of illegal and legal immigrants feel their do some sort of an entitlement , by being in this country ! ??.

Dimwitted Dummycrats after all are better liars and thieves , so again the vast majority side with that party .

Who is the single largest contributor too the DNC ? Trial Lawyers Association ( Fact ).

Who is shoving Health Care ( There is a gross misnomer for you ) down your wallet , when recent surveys on " EVERY MEDIA OUTLET " clearly shows Americans DON'T WANT IT !.

Tough you're getting it like it or not !. Another Tax anyway you slice it !!!. ( Fact ) .

Just another FACT !!!.

quote:

I know this is blunt talk. But, what else will wake California shooters up?

Alberta Canuck, you simply don't understand what it means to be a conservative 2nd ammendment supporting Californian. You especially have no idea what it means living in perhaps the most liberal region of California. I am surrounded by liberals - my neighbors, the teachers of my kids, even some of my family members.

All my representatives are extremely left-wing. My city council members, my county supervisors, my federal representative, my state senator, and my two federal senators. There is no one to pick off. Your suggestion for picking them off one at a time is naive. They are entrenched and are getting more so. Even the sheriff and police chief are liberal so they refuse to allow concealed carry.

I vote in every election, even the elections for school board, city council, etc. I speak to all my friends and neighbors about the importance of electing the right people. Believe me, it is water off a duck's back. This state is liberal and it is going to become more liberal for the foreseeable future.

I would move to a more conservative state if most of my family wasn't here. Because of that, I will probably be here my whole life.

Your comment about not wanting conservative Californians to move into your state is a horrible attitude. The friends I have that have moved to places like Wyoming or Texas have made those states better places. These types of former Californians know what it is like to live in a nanny state. Believe me, your state became more conservative when they chose to move there. You should be happy to have people that truly know the meaning of the 2nd ammendment and what it feels like to have those rights taken away.

Gun rights are only one aspect of the rights Californians are having taken away. I won't go into those rights for reasons of brevity. But I will stay in California and will continue to vote the best I can, but I have no doubt I am pissing into the wind...at least for many years to come.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by flaco:
...blah blah blah
LOL.

Do it for yourself, or have a big glass of SHUTUP

On this forum what does the word MODERATOR mean?
When a thread takes the direction this one has should it be kept on "reloading" or moved to the "political"?
On a number AR forums I see more and more argueing, name calling and bull shit than I see a shareing of pertainent information.
The levels of maturity and civility are deffinitly down. roger

quote:

Originally posted by bartsche:
The levels of maturity and civility are deffinitly down. roger

Perhaps this should be moved to the PF--perhaps not.

Unfortunately, what you point to is a true statement regarding most current issues in this country in general.

It arises from the feelings of frustration with the loss of more and more of a founding premise of our nation and its culture :

individual liberty.

Therefore the tenor of the conversations show more and more the strain of the situation.

The problem is the relative feeling of being powerless as that liberty slips away.

Unfortunately-- life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- has evolved into a concept of Possession by THE WHOLE--

but only as the whole--

not all of ours as individuals--

a Social "OURS" and d*^n yours (individually)
concept of ownership of rights.

The Socialistic view that rights of the Whole far outweigh the rights of the individual.

Resulting in the Creeping Socialism of Forced Equality-
justifying creating a unified Sameness for all--
not liberty for all.

Creating further intrusions of the (Nanny) State in the name of protection of that (powerless) sameness -
over individual pursuits of happiness and liberty and self-protection thereof.

Issues such as this one seize upon the the fears of the weak and unthinking to deliver false hope of security provided by the state-
at the expense of individual liberty;

universally weakening individuals to (supposedly) protect everyone.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
and the bad guys aren't buying ammo at walmart

Well WRONG.... You need to come to my state These punks ARE buying there ammo at wall mart Because the dumb ass behind the counter doesn't care as long as he doesn't get in trouble for sending away a paying customer. Did you know Wal mart lost their privilege to sell guns in this state specifically because they had the wrong people selling guns and handing them over with no waiting period. Oh yeah it happened all right.
But for the most part you are correct Your rank and file criminal doesn't buy ammo at wal mart but a good portion of them due because criminals are not the sharpest people around.
BTW a few people have already been busted buying ammo they are not supposed to have.
If me showing my license keep one friggin gang banger from getting his supply or at least making it harder on him fine I'll show my license It doesn't bother me one bit.
Like I said I have to show it anyway to buy powder so what's the difference.

And everyone said that the world was coming to and end if Obama got elected
Well I'm waiting.............

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Originally posted by bartsche:

The levels of maturity and civility are deffinitly down. roger

you are probably correct, but own who says THE SAME THING, in their signature 6500+ times"do it then (or than in the case of how its misspelled in yours) talk about it" IS the same as "do it for yourself"

but, as for civility and maturity .. (sigh) one should be careful with throwing the first stone .. as you may be entirely correct, and others may be willing to agree with you .

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Kerry,
you showing your license, as you appear to be law abiding, won't have any effect. In fact, no actions restricting the law abiding have ANY effect, except to disarm them.

you talked about walmart loosing the right to sell guns ... that has nothing to do with a state law, as the ATF controls gun sales. Please don't mix state laws with federal. Lets NOT confuse the issue where someone thinks its a federal law to need a driver'as license to get ammo.

there's NO REASON and no result, in you showing your license to buy powder ... it doesn't stop crime .. buying legal ammo doesn't stop crime or illegal guns .. or people commiting crimes.. do you REALLY think a fellon cares if he presents his license at walmart to get some 9mm?

unless there is now a background check, computerized databases, and INVASIONS of privacy of the 99% if good guys in order to catch a crook?

SERIOUSLY, as franklin said "those that would trade a little liberty for a little security deserve nor shall receive, either"

what happens to the out of stater that needs a box of 10mm to go hunt hogs? and his license can't be run.. so his buddy offers his .. is that a strawman purchase, and both goto jail?

Guys, NO gun restricting law is a good law.. and if you think there is any, please go talk to the local NRA guys and have them explain it to you.

under NO circumstances is restricting the RIGHTS of law abiding citizens a good idea...

Jeff
Walmart lost their FFL privileges ONLY in California Because they violated STATE law not Federal. They released guns to buyers with out the proper waiting period having expired and that is a state requirement not a federal one.

Their is a city or county in California that already requires you to show your license and leave a finger print for ammo sales and the state DOJ has run the information on the sheets and busted people for it so it may not be the greatest idea in the world but it did catch a few dumbasses in the act.
As for the out of state guy well since the law is toothless in the way it is set up meaning that a criminal could buy ammo and use it illegally since there is no back ground check at time of purchase. The out of state guy will be able to buy ammo but a record check on him would require contacting his home state and I know for sure that won't happen.
Please don't take this the wrong way but I am of the opinion that if you can not offer a reasonable solution to a situation then you should not complain about it.
Right now there are a lot of guns on the street. And there seems to be no real way to remove them from the hands of persons that have obtained them illegally with out violating everyones rights.
The real problem is our education system and our judicial system.
If our education system worked to the point that every student received a good education and was properly prepared for college In most cases they would have no need to commit a crime other then white collar crime
And as for our judicial system. It should be made a felony to be in illegal possession of a firearm.
Carrying concealed with out a permit is only a misdemeanor, Along with illegal possession. So long as a criminal is allowed to walk or do minimal time for illegal possession we will never change things.
I understand that our rights are being witted away and soon if things don't change we will have no right to own guns. Our politicians are only doing this to appear to be doing something good. It's all about perception. And it's frustrating as all hell.

I personally would love to run for a local government office and work my way up to congress or the senate But we all know it's just a bunch of "good ol' boys" going with the flow and only doing enough to keep their jobs thats it.
Here in california the majority is democrat and the majority couldn't care less about guns or our rights

Kerry,
I think we are on the same side here. My deep opinion is that limiting guns and ammo by LAW only limits the law abidding. this law will never reduce crime.. Don't play the "reasonable" tactic with me, please.. that gambit has the known inferrrence that anything that disagrees with you is unreasonable.

that's a really unfair tactic, and you may not even be aware of using it.