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Well it looks like your committed to doing this. Not the best idea. But if you just gotta. Make sure that the load is at minimum a 100% case volume to help prevent any seperation of powders. Rocky Gibbs did some experimenting with duplex loads but he never mixed them. And he also used a "Front Ignition" of the powder column with the slow powder on top (ignited first) and fast powder on bottom ignited last). And even Rocky gave up this foolish idea. So did I. Ray ...look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. | |||
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still got all your fingers? did you chronograph them ? | |||
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"if Man did not dare to dream and then act on those dreams, we'd still be sittin' in caves an' worryin' about the ainmals comin' to eat us..." Not quite the same sort of thing fellow, even if you use 'light loads' and survive. Has it not occured to you that IF such blending of powders offered any advantage the powder companies would be doing so and marketing it? Or do you seriously think you can prove something about powders they don't know? That's not dreaming, that's delusional. | |||
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Wow, Darwin project waiting to happen. While it has & will be done w/ success, w/o pressure equip. you have absolutely no idea what kind of pressure spike you could be generating by mixing powders. Just not worth the risk IMO, but then again, I am not a darwin project either.  There are so many powders available to the reloader here that mixing powders to adjust a burn rate is just foolish. Then again, so is loading a whole bunch of rounds w/o verifying they will work in your gun. Back to basics ny newb friend.LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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I don't get it! Why would you buy a huge jug of WC852 to load in .223 Rem?  WC852 is H414 and is totally unsuited for the .223 Rem. It was used to load military .30 Cal. AP M2 cartridges. If it were me, I'd sell it or trade it to somebody who loads .30-06 or some other cartridge that would work with this powder. PS - The military hasn't used WC852 for a LONG TIME. I would guess that stuff is about 40 years old.  | |||
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Too later it's contaminated. A bad day at the range is better than a good day at work. | |||
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The exercise was a total bust. The 23.0 grains of mixed powder was so weak that the second round would not strip from the magazine with either the 5% or 10% concentrations. The first round would eject, but apparently the bolt would not go back far enough to pick up the second round. And there was ample evidence of dimpling on the cases from unburned powder. I didn't even bother to fire the commercial cases... In reading all the gloom-and-doom, "you'll shoot your eye out" posts above, I have to say I'm surprised with you gentlemen. I know the risks of mixing powders. I thought about what would happen if I put too much pistol powder in with the rifle powder. So I accounted for that. Looks like I accounted quite well, huh? What was I trying to prove? Do I think I know something the powder companies don't? I'm a Darwin project? Really, now-- give me a break. I pretty much knew the pressure would be tolerable. After all, when the manufacturers design a gun, they pressure-test the breech lock-up system and barrel at usually twice (or at least 50% more) the expected pressure from a properly-loaded round. There I am using a small load of a slow powder. I'm gonna blow the whole range off the map? Really... Will I try mixing up another batch? No, it's too much trouble. I'd have to try 15%, 20% and on up. Just takes too much time... | |||
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Oh, please do it!  | |||
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Natural Selection is ALWAYS at work... Sometimes ya just have to get out of the way.. Why do they call it common sense, when it is so uncommon?? | |||
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This reminds me of people who permanantly trash their liver by taking Tylenol and drink alcohol. A few Tylenol won't hurt you. Drinking several beers won't hurt you. But mixing them together is asking for trouble. The same logic applies to mixing powders. | |||
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You have compromised your credibility. Really. | |||
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If you are referring to me, I disagree. I related the whole affair from inception to result. Everything put here is the truth. I wanted to see if a small mix of fast-burning pistol powder would help a normal charge of slow-burning rifle powder complete its combustion, and thus allow me to use the powder in my rifle when before I found I could not. Empirical trials indicated my theory was either flawed or not enough explored. The experiment was stopped because evidence indicated that further exploration would most likely not yield the desired results. No one was hurt, no one came even close to being hurt and no equipment was damaged. In school, I had a class that required me to devise an empirical trial and make a prediction as to what I thought I would see. The above experiment would qualify as one of the better ones had I done it way back when... | |||
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______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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The ammo with the proper powder in it, yes... | |||
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Alf, i UTTERLY disagree with you .. this is an unsafe act, and it INFERS by the word "commonplace" that "anyone" can do it, in that sentence. Gentlemen and Ladies - MIXING POWDERS IS UNSAFE opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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AA #5 is small ball. I liked that fact. I knew I'd get a good mixture because of it. The problem I found with even 23.0 grains of the H380 mix was that even that small amount would not completely burn. No need to try any larger concentration, so the experiment was halted. Cost was a red hair above pocket change and only I was on the non-existent payroll. Now, had the government been involved, $2,786,349 would have been spent and 312 jobs saved or created... | |||
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I wanna see your fake Diploma in fakeing powder mixing from Columbia University and who payd for your fake diploma? | |||
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Hmmm... let's see... if I mix 71.4% of Reloder 50 with 28.6% of Bullseye, this should theoretically give me Reloder 357 which should hit the bullseye every time! I'm gonna try it right now! Services will be held on Friday. | |||
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You can't fix stupid..............DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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Jeffeosso, duplex loads were common and at one time almost everyone did it. Modern powders have made them needless. Since the "experiment" failed I'd trade the powder to someone who can use it. A bad day at the range is better than a good day at work. | |||
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My academic record from Columbia is a state secret. Info as to who paid for it is locked away in the governor's office in Hawaii. I did my graduate work in mixin' powders at Harvard, where I was editor of the Harvard Powder Mixin' Review. I did lots of work in that position but it seems there was an earthquake and a fire, and all my work was lost. Later, I found myself runnin' for state powder mixer in Illinois, but my competition was tough. So I found a way to get them bumped off the ballot for not putting the cap back on the bottle or having two powders open at one time. I'm not going to go on-- you get the idea... | |||
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  You're having too much fun , Homebrewer!  rogerOld age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
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I have a jug of H322. Would that make a good powder for plinkin' with my carbine? I'd be using both 55-grain and 62-grain bullets in either mil-surp or commercial cases. Thanks. | |||
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In RSA, it actually was quite common place as they had pretty limited powder reosurces. Often though it was mixing a slow & faster RIFLE powder. Mixing pistol powders w/ rifle powders is just a wee bit stupid IMO. Yes Darwinian. Hoepfully you don't lose a gun ro eye or hand. Better you than me my friend. I don't need to run my car into a wall to know a car crash is a bd thing. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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The test was a unmitigated flop. I used every last penny of the $8.7 million I got from the gummint for the test. No further experimenting is in the offing. But I did save or create 148 make-work government jobs... | |||
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HomeBrewer Don't Do It !!!. Others have already stated the reasons . I'd like to ask this gentleman what price is a Golf Ball really worth ?.     | |||
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If someone had shot that reptile or made a belt out of him long ago, the guy would still have his arm. Just make sure the powder used is the right one for the cartridge... | |||
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It is obvious that many posters on this forum were not physicist at the Manhatten Project nor are employed by NASA. It is also obvious that no one on this forum is/was or would want to be a military test pilot except for Homebrewer. Go for it Homebrewer. But could you employ a P.I. lawyer to do the test firing for you? Also Homebrewer, would it be safe to assume that if we don't see anymore post from you that one of you experiments went bad??? "The right to bear arms" insures your right to freedom, free speech, religion, your choice of doctors, etc. ....etc. ....etc.... -----------------------------------one trillion seconds = 31,709 years------------------- | |||
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I'm all done experimenting with the alleged H380. I said that a few posts up. Now I'm asking if using H322-- and just H322-- is a good plinkin' powder in a .223Rem with 11.5 inches of true barrel. That 5.5 inches of flash suppressor (which really doesn't work all that well) stuck on there don't push the bullet worth a damn... And yes, would I ever have liked to have been a test pilot for the military. Imagine getting to fly the F-15, F-22, F-117 or B-2 on Uncle's nickle? That would have to be the ultimate job next to being an Administrator on a Dubai-based website about guns and stuff... | |||
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H-brewer, people like you and I are never through experimenting! You more than I. "The right to bear arms" insures your right to freedom, free speech, religion, your choice of doctors, etc. ....etc. ....etc.... -----------------------------------one trillion seconds = 31,709 years------------------- | |||
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Just read this today, I was impressed by the the clarity of vision enabling the powders to be mixed thoroughly, by their appearance alone.  | |||
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OK, let me tell you how I did it. The alleged H380 is a small, fairly black ball powder. The AA #5 is a small, fairly black ball powder. Each powder (95% H380 and 5% AA #5) was put into a dry, plastic, 8-ounce drink bottle and shaken until they looked to be homogeneous-- maybe 30 seconds. Considering the powders are visually identical, I shook 'em some more. Yes, indeed-- there was a whole lot o' shakin' goin' on. I guess it would be like shaking 5% salt and 95% sugar together. I suspect you'd get a pretty good mix, eh? Would you be able to taste the salt? If so, you got smarter taste buds than me. Take that same concept and apply it to what I did. If the gun can detect the 5% AA #5, it has a more educated palate for one gunpowder hidden within another than I do... | |||
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Try it sometime... | |||
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Before you do wrap both hands in duct tape and blindfold your eyes. Then try to walk around and get used to listening to the radio. Try to cook a meal and then try to eat it. If thats the life you want go ahead and mix the powders. | |||
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Interesting approach, the shaking of salt and sugar, but in gunpowder we are talking about a combination of substances/compounds which when ignited produce heat and rapid expanding gasses. Could also include metal fragments,sharp, jagged edges which can produce injury or even death. Risk of injury in the salt/sugar exercise very low I would think, but very high risk of injury when using gunpowder which you plan on igniting. Seriously, there is no advantage, only disadvantage to mix any gunpowders anytime, anywhere, period! | |||
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