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Damn, that was quick joe. If I fart you won't like it with your nose up my ass that close....I didn't even have time to get the additional comment in before you had 2 posts. I better not stop suddenly or it will take surgery to get you out.......  Larry Gibson | |||
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Because you miss me joe, I'm the only real friend you have that talks intelligently to you......just like your dad.......and we know he thought you were a moron..... Larry Gibson | |||
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Gibsons problem is one of age and growing inability to focus. First he posts one thing then the direct opposite the next. Remind you of anything? | |||
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Gibson, your a mental midget at math... your answer is wrong. Joe got the right answer in his post of Sep 25, 2012 2:55 PM. You can go to a calculator on Google and get the right answer. It seems you can't do anything right anymore.... times catching up on you.....
Since your not to be trusted with what you say, because you get it wrong, provide a real link that says that.... please no wikipedia or cruffler stuff either. Put up or shut up... you made the assertion. | |||
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45 2.1 The calculator I used said 9.613, the google said 9.316 so where the hell did joe come up with 8.3...... | |||
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He explained it to you. I would hope that you can understand the difference between a soft and hard conversions (possibly a new term for you, but one dealt with in all length measurements) from metric to english. His and yours were soft(close enough for government work type) conversions the general population uses. The hard conversion is more precise. When you start quoting several places right of the decimal point, you are no longer should be talking soft conversions which apparently some person who set up your calculator did not understand, know enough to get it right or rounded the conversion factor before useing it in the calculation instead of after. It really is a moot point though, Joe shot his groups at a farther distance than what you assumed (100 yards).... over 9 yards farther. Transposing his group size to a shorter, 100 yard, distance would reduce the group size. | |||
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Now here is some more proof for stupid Gibson. The first photo is a 6.5 loaded without buffer. It's a pic of the chronograph screen:  This next picture is the same powder, same load, same bullet, same rifle, but with buffer:  See the difference stupid??? That's why the velocity of the recent discussed load of mine was 2200 fps. I was playing with the buffer. Folks sorry for the tone I use here, gibson is so dumb he has to be dealt with in this manner. | |||
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You "rounded off" 9.316 to 8.3.......  Pretty stupid joe....and then to admit it  I've lots of chrono readings above and below those joe. Just like your groups and the actual velocities you post you have no crediility because your veracity is severely questionable. You'll need to demonstrate your accuracy and velocities in front credible witnesses to be believed anymore. BTW; 45 2.1 doesn't have much credibility left either. Larry Gibson | |||
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Larry, with all the arguing, lack of comprehension, kicking people in a sore spot, misspelling, name calling that you've done are considered precursors of senility by professional caretakers of the elderly. It seems that you’re losing it. | |||
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larry your post and run tactics are very obvious troll tactics and senile ones at that!!! Your posts are meaningless anymore. You've really fallen. | |||
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45 2.1 Oh bobbie....you're just mad because you got your pee pee wacked on the CBF over this..........you really like me don't you....... | |||
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Larry still misses it: This is your Swede. This is your Swede with the right buffer. Notice how it bridges and raises pressure enough for a 250 fps gain. (Yes, I rounded). Lighter bullets have an even faster accuracy zone. If I were to ask you, without the benefit of references (particularly wikipedia), what a "significant digit" was, could you answer? speaking of wikipedia, most decent university professors will not allow wiki references as a credible source of information for any research paper, since obviously entries can be written by anybody with any "slant" they want. Gear Gear | |||
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Actually, I think you're a withered dried up senile old man getting his jollies screwing with people on the internet. The garbage that you spew out of your mouth makes it hard for anyone to stomach you or like you. So your assumption would be wrong and you should know what assumptions make you, if you can remember that much. | |||
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Gear....gear One who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones.......no need to mistakenly double your name, we know who you are and you've mispelled some words in past posts.....just thought I'd mention it you 3 amigo's seem so critical of my spelling. My references on the CETME weren't Wikpedia BTW. The physics answer to significant digits is; "The number of significant digits in an answer to a calculation will depend on the number of significant digets (all single digets except 0) in the given data. Approximate calculations (order-of-magnitude estimates) always result in answers with only one or two significant digits." In 9.613 there are 4 sgnificant digits because it was not "approximate". That still does not exlain nor excuse how the moron got 8.3 "rounding off" from 9.613 or 9.316 now does it....... Larry Gibson BTW; are you not going to answer my request for you to demonstrate cast bullet HV accuracy on the CBF? It's no "trap"....I'll report the outcome exactly as it is. I'll report the truth, just as I reported the real nominal diameter your 454190 mould cast at and the real results of my 6.5 HV tests with joe's own kurtz bullets. It's your chance to really show me up to the cast bullet shooting world.....no balls? | |||
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Oh bobbie, such talk......after all we've been to each other.........you've now gone and hurt my feelings.........  Larry Gibson | |||
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Quit whining joe.....45 2.1 ASKED for the internet link!!!!!!!! The references at the end of the Cruffler article are published. Anyone capable of educated thought would know that........ Whine all you want want but the facts are the facts....just as I stated them......your "reference" which is heresay from a phone call?????  Give us a break, like we should believe you just because   Your spelling hasn't been much better than gears......  You should be glad I'm "washed up" the way you've your nose up my ass......  You follow me from forum to forum and even track when I log in and off on the AR and the CBF. You've 2 humongous threads now because you can't stand it when I don't chat with you. You beg and plead, with your moronic posts, for me to come back and chat with you. You have no life other than me or else you'd get your nose out of my ass and let me go.........BTW; ppphhhfffftttt...pretty good chili I had last night, eh  | |||
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Same reaction you get from a 5 year old is the MO for him Joe. He is in his second childhood. Expect nothing sane from him and he won't dissapoint you. | |||
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Speaking of BALLS, Larry, why did you have to send your little sidekick to PM me about your bullshit "challenge"? If you had any REAL balls you'd have asked me yourself. That was a nice try to get a response out of me on that in open forum, BTW. Gear PS Quoting Wiki articles that have words like "digets" in them doesn't add to anyone's credibility. | |||
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Gear I didn't have anyone PM you....didn't have to. My post asking you the same question is posted on CBF where everyone could see it.....I did have the ballsfor that. You have not the balls to say no there because you know it would destroy your credibility like it has joe's and bobby's..........Time to put up or shut up....if you have the balls.......otherwise any furthr response is just so much  "digets" eh? Glad to see you pay close attention but I typed that quote and it didn't come from Wikpedia. The "significant digit" question certainly didn't go where you wanted it to go did it? Reason is joe's claim of "rounding off" 9.613 or 9.316 to 8.3 was just about as stupid as his "bughole" groups claims with everything. He showed his  and you then showed your own However if you really want to play tit for tat about spelling you might want to move out of the glass house or learn how to spell "phemomena" and "Techinical" for starters. You might learn proper punctuation such as in the capitalization of "magnus.......now I, on the other hand, do not claim to be perfect at spelling and I don't capitalize certian persons names intentionally because they don' deserve the respect...... Larry Gibson | |||
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So, like I said, the way you talk to me, what the hell makes you think I have any interest whatsoever in getting closer than three states from you? I mean really, cuss me out, call me names, and then offer to meet up and shoot? We've already seen how you can twist and turn things around, why would witnessing some REAL HV shooting be any different? Joe and Bob know your motivations, so do I. If you want to know about it, learn to do it yourself, Lord knows you've been told enough times how to do it. Gear | |||
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gear Still throwing stones....read your own posts and what you say to me........ BTW; that's the same lame ass excuse for not demonstrating your claimed abilities the other 2 amigo's use.......it's the reason their claims have no validiity with anyone and their veracity is in question. I've shot a lot with people I didn't think I liked, even with a couple who could do what they claimed. You 3 amigo's sure "talk the talk" but no one can verify any of you can "walk the walk".......It's your choice though....... Larry Gibson | |||
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Your word is worthless.... as proven by your many acidic posts. No one wants to be around you. | |||
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You're certainly correct about you 3 amigo's here. However, I've a whole lot on the CBF that do. That's what really burns joe's ass, your ass and now gear's ass..........  Too bad joe, with his last 3 threads has totally ruined this cast bullet forum on AR. They banned him from CBF and the Grendel Forum before he could do that there. "Merda" was real cute and the thread he started with that in it shows exactly what his intent is and also the intent of you 2 other amigo's. Really too bad because there are probably a lot of interested people who would post on this forum except they don't want to put up with joe in particular. Is he mumbling Italian or Portuguese? Oh well....... BTW; it is the 3 of you (amigo's) whose word is worthless here and on the CBF (joe's has always been worthless on the Grendel Forum)simply because you all refuse to demonstrate your claims to others who will back you up on either forum. Where's all the members of your so called "group" giving testimony to your ability bob???? They're not here or on CBF because they know your claims are Larry Gibson | |||
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What a moronic stupid dumass thing to say. Anyone who reads any of these threads will see you begging me to respond......you even start a thread insulting me.......and you say you want me to go away? Now no one thinks you are stupid any more.....they all know you are stupid....... | |||
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larry still can't tell the difference between Yes/No, Leave/Stay or anything involving rational thought. It sure appears that he is a Troll and enjoys Trolling when he doesn't get his way. | |||
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Bottom line is there is no rpm threshold theory for shooting cast bullets to HV with accuracy. Your alloy has to be up to the task and so do you reloading techniques, not exclude your shooting abilities. | |||
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Here's another fast twist AR that shoots cast very well. This is the 6x45 which is fun cartridge and very easy to make. Just run a 223/5.56 case into a 6x45 sizer die and you got a case. I was surprised how well the first time fired cases shot accuracy wise. I was using a duplex load of the AA4350 with a booster of Hodgdon Univeral Clays. In this case the bullet is a 87 grain Eagan. Velocity was 2546 fps well out of the supposed rpm threshold theory. No I don't spend a lot of money on targets. It will also do with with a duplex load of the slow 867 surplus and booster of Unique with 45 2.1's 76 grain bullet. Lube in both instances is my soap based lube.  Speaking of that surplus 867 load the standard deviation was 7 which I though pretty good for that slow powder and with a booster. | |||
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Here's a picture of 45 2.1's 6mm bullet showing expansion in moist soft dirt at 100 yards. Alloy is 50/50 quenched.    | |||
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Here's a picture of a groundhog and the rifle that I took him with. Rifle is a Savage 110 with 6.5x54 Mannlicher Schoenaur barrel. Bullet used was 6.5 Kurtz at HV. Shows that HV veloicty cast bullets can be fun to shoot and useful as well. Notice head shot and this was at distance. No supposed rpm threshold theory here.  | |||
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What was the distance on that groundhog shot? | |||
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Right around 200 yards. | |||
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Blending powder was a big part of why I started this thread. Ironically there's a blended powder thread over on CBF and the "experts" are basically perpetrating more internet myths. One does not have to blend powders of the same kernel shape, that is stick, flake, ball. I do agree for the longevity of the powder staying blended that is true to a degree. The powder I blended in this 5.56 test was a stick and ball powder. It blended very uniformly and more so it performed with a low standard deviation. It stayed blended through a few different handlings...that is blending, pouring the powder measure, measuring, loading into the case (the various case loading steps), and finally hauling out to the range. I just didn't state what ball powder and stick powder I blended. It performs just like what I expected two different burn rate powders would. The faster powder does not flash off the deterrent of surrounding powder. It really doesn't do anything abnormal. It does spread out the pressure peak and for some reason it lets the bullet perform at a higher velocity in a fast twist then any other powder I have tried. I admire Rocky Raab in his area of expertise, but he is wrong on all accounts on the blending of powders. He is also speculating which means he really doesn't know. | |||
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Dylxy3zJc An excellent example (very visual) of how the RPM affects an unbalanced bullet during the external ballistic phase. You can readily see some of the bullets go off on a tangent in a very non linear fashion. You can also see some of the unbalanced bullets begin a helical spiral in a non linear fashion. This is with subsonic (1100 fps or less) lead bullets out of a 14 or 16" twist with a relatively low RPM. Now imagine the effect if the RPM was higher by either increasing the twist or increasing the velocity. This gives you a visual of the fundamental affects when cast bullets exceed the RPM threshold for the components used. Joe, 45 2.1, geargnasher, carpetman1 and several others should watch, observe the effects and perhaps learn before claiming the RPM Threshold theory is BS……….they probably won’t and will come back with something but the video speaks volumes about what I have been telling them……..to no avail……… Larry Gibson | |||
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The simple fact is that, YOU can't cast a bullet worth shooting.... and don't understand the mechanics of how to negate what you claim is inevitable. I know what your doing wrong, SmokinJ knows what your doing wrong and Geargnasher knows what your doing wrong.... BUT you have been clueless for the last 5+ years after you were told how to do it right. You've read my tag line on Boolits... that applies to you. | |||
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45 2.1 Usual drival from you. You can't deny the truth shown in the video which substantiates exactly what I've been saying about RPM and how it effects imbalances in bullets can you. The facts are the facts and the video is graphic proof which your BS the last 5 years saying RPM doesn't do that and bullets don't fly that way can't refutiate the proof in the video. So insetad of just saying I am right and you are wrong you resort to personal attacks. Personal attacks are your forte and all you do anyway. The pictures joe posted (on the other thread here) look like all the bullets I cast. Joe sent me some of his own cast Kurtz bullets and you really don't want me to repost the photo's showing the "quality" of those nor mention the 50% of them that I sorted out as culls and wouldn't shoot much less test. I've sent bullets I cast with gear's mould back to him. They were very excellent quality and above nominal diameter which he claimed the mould wouldn't cast. I've never sent any bullets to you so how would you "know" I can't cast a bullet worth shooting? What BS from a whiner who can't even man up and admit he was wrong when the proff is right before his, and everyone else's, eyes......... Larry Gibson | |||
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Larry Gibson--You include me as one who needs to watch a video and learn. Find one post where I said anything about RPM except so what? If you can or can't shoot at high RPM so what? I did state I knew of no shooting event where RPM was a factor. You assured me just because I don't know--there are several. I did want to know about that and asked you several questions--none of which you answered. Some of those questions were how was it measured, what happened if you exceeded or were below the rpm, could a person protest and the gun be checked the way a race car engine can be torn down in racing protests? I'd still like an answer. You have stated several times you do answer when responded to, but no response came so I do wonder if you really have one. I have no clue what rpm any bullet I shoot is doing and suspect MOST shooters are also in that category. If it is not high RPM--I don't care. The only time that any revolution has had any effect that I was aware of on ANY shooting I have done was bow shooting. If the arrow rotates one direction the points loosen when they hit the target. There is an instance when the point stops and the shaft is still rotating. Reverse the fletching to reverse the spiral and it corrects the problem. You also mentioned my correcting your spelling. Several years ago in the airgun section you posted a story about shooting an elk with an air rifle. The story gave indications that you fancy yourself as a writer. For several years I saw you consistently use the word consistantly (sic) and figured as a writer you might should be told of the difference--so I did. Maybe you could post the story here for all to admire your talents? Another direct response to you--let's see if it gets a response. I also saw you consistently using lesson (as in to reduce) and let you know the word was lessen --you stated you knew that and it was a typo. Maybe once is a typo but numerous times???? | |||
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45 2.1 Usual drival from you. You can't deny the truth shown in the video which substantiates exactly what I've been saying about RPM and how it effects imbalances in bullets can you. The facts are the facts and the video is graphic proof which your BS the last 5 years saying RPM doesn't do that and bullets don't fly that way can't refutiate the proof in the video. Nobody here gives a damn what it shows. If someone has to deform something to show an effect, it really doesn't prove anything and certainly doesn't prove that an underformed bullet does that. If your so sure of yourself... then write a book on it. I'm sure a publisher somewhere (India maybe) is dieing to print it. So insetad of just saying I am right and you are wrong you resort to personal attacks. Personal attacks are your forte and all you do anyway. No, thats your style, not mine. There is a difference between facts and attacks, but you seem to confuse that difference a lot. The pictures joe posted (on the other thread here) look like all the bullets I cast. Joe sent me some of his own cast Kurtz bullets and you really don't want me to repost the photo's showing the "quality" of those nor mention the 50% of them that I sorted out as culls and wouldn't shoot much less test. I've sent bullets I cast with gear's mould back to him. They were very excellent quality and above nominal diameter which he claimed the mould wouldn't cast. I've never sent any bullets to you so how would you "know" I can't cast a bullet worth shooting? What BS from a whiner who can't even man up and admit he was wrong when the proff is right before his, and everyone else's, eyes......... Ya know larry, I feel sorry for you. You just never seem to be able to do much of anything right. Just look at the crappy groups you post. You haven't been able to follow directions. You substitute your stuff in and we all know what that has done for you... Nothing. If you really want to know, you have proven what you said is wrong....... and i'll bet you don't know how you did that either.BTW, you really need to slow down and check your posts, they are slipping in quality. | |||
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Larry Gibson BTW; ? If you can or can't shoot at high RPM so what? is a sentence fragment not a complete sentence. And what the heck is and figured as a writer you might should be told of the difference as far as grammar? Perhaps if one is going to criticize spelling or literary talent they should learn to get their own grammar correct, eh. | |||
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45 2.1 If you "didn't give a damn" you wouldn't keep responding to me. If you "cared" for the facts you watch the video and learn. Well now, you want to criticize the groups I post (mostly 8 - 10 shot groups BTW) but just where are the groups you've posted? Ooopppps .....there aren't any.....you only lay claim to what the "others" can do. You've not posted here or on the CBF (specifically) and photo's or groups you've shot. Perhaps because you really put targets at 100 yards or meters and know how your groups really shoot. Have seen any of your "groups" posted by any of the "others" either. I have heard from some of them though and they say you don't post because what you shoot doesn't match what you claim.......so be it......at least I post and discuss what I really do, not what others say they do nor what I hallucinate...... Larry Gibson | |||
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Lots of talk going on about blending powders, which I began this thread on. Here are some loads for two other calibers the 30-06 and 308 involving booster loads that isn't at like a blended powder load. The main charge is surplus 867 and the booster is H4198. In these two cartridges I found the fast rifle powder booster to perform better then the shotgun/pistol powder boosters. I got SD's down in the singe digits. The load is the same for both which is 38 grains of 867 with a 6 1/2 grain booster charge of H4198. You of course load the booster charge first, then the 867, followed by a tuff Dacron only in the 30-06 to keep the powder positioned. In the 308 with military cases the powder comes up to the base of the bullet so no need for the Dacron. This is a mild load in the 30-06 using 180 to 200 grain cast bullets, in fact I use it in my Garand. The 308 load on the other hand is what somewhat faster. The 308 load shoots extremely accurate for me. The load is for a 180 grain bullet in the 308. Just be careful that you load the booster in all the cases and then the main charge. No harm will result if you forget the booster and have the main charge. It's safe. On the other hand if you got the booster and no main charge the danger lies in that you'll stick a bullet in the barrel and perhaps fire another round behind it. So pay attention. It can be a little confusing to load all the cases with booster first, then having to go back and load the main charge. The pay off is good performing loads with a very slow surplus powder and it's cheap. | |||
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