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Originally posted by drewhenrytnt:
I believe Cutting Edge Bullets is now making the BBW#13 Solid in .308 diameter bullets. Imagine the penetration of a 150gr BBW#13 ata sedate 2100fps from a 30-30!!

Or the destruction from a NonCon!!

Unfortunately, they don't list a FP version so all the Winchester/Marlin shooters are S.O.L. Might be fun for anyone shooting single shots or doubles though. I've wanted to build a 30/30 double for years, hmmmm.......

Im not sure if they are still available; but you used to be able to buy 30-30 and 45-70 barrel inserts for the Bakail SxS Coach guns. They were regulated by wedges and used the shotgun's extractors. They were made by Franchi (I think) and werent too expensive. The real drawback in my opinion is they were only made for the 20inch guns and added A LOT of weight.

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Originally posted by Bloodnativ:

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Originally posted by drewhenrytnt:
I believe Cutting Edge Bullets is now making the BBW#13 Solid in .308 diameter bullets. Imagine the penetration of a 150gr BBW#13 ata sedate 2100fps from a 30-30!!

Or the destruction from a NonCon!!

Unfortunately, they don't list a FP version so all the Winchester/Marlin shooters are S.O.L. Might be fun for anyone shooting single shots or doubles though. I've wanted to build a 30/30 double for years, hmmmm.......

As a matter of fact There is a new bullet thanks to Boomie upon whose suggestions it was created. I forgot what they call it but it is 130gr and on one end a NonCon the other a Solid. Recently tested it was fired as a solid and turned around and fired the same bullet as a NonCon. Very impressive results!!! Yes BBW#13 Flatpoint .308 solids exist!!!

BBW #13 - ESP RAPTOR
Your choice !!

Hollow Point one end
Hollow Point; * with optional extended Range Tips *
Flat Point Solid other end !

Test Results

http://forums.accuratereloadin...3/m/2861098911/p/190
" That is a great test Michael
Those should be good in the 30-30 at nominal 30-30 ranges. The 30-30 just got a lot more deadly! ... Boom Stick "

PAPI

Thank you PAPI! That was the info I was trying to convey.

Even at sedate 30-30 velocities these bullets are going to be unbelievable!

My guess is that based on double penetration in game then test media with the 30-30 and hollow point end on a boar you will get a broadside pass through and all the vitals torn to pieces. They just got tested on a deer. See page 193 I think it is for the details. The flat point end would get end to end penetration on the boar. The Raptor CEB BBW even at 30-30 velocity would be more lethal than a 300 Win mag with conventional softs IMHO. In short the 30-30 just became a hell of a lot more lethal. I look forward to hearing the hunting results on other animals. Hopefully an elk was bagged with the 300 raptor bullet this weekend too.

This is the feedback on the deer killed with the Raptor in 300 caliber
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OK, I have a deer report this morning! I loaded a few of the 130 Raptors last week for my remodel contractor and friend of mine. He hunts deer every weekend, and shoots a 308 and I have been loading normally 150 Hornadys for him the last few years. Which has been a great bullet for him. Well today he tells me he wants nothing but Raptors from now on! He shot a doe the other day, "Doe Day" for meat mostly. I got a pretty detailed report, and pleased with that. I loaded the Raptors to around 2850 fps in his rifle, and they shot to the same POI as his standard Hornady load, so there was no downside on POI. Where he shot the other day is only around 65 yards, so it was close.

The bullet entered left side, quartering away, so not a severe rear raking shot, about in between from what I can gather. The entrance hit a rib going in, tore a huge hole shown to me about 4 inches in diameter on the entrance, with liver hanging out of the entrance. Left lung completely torn in half, massive damage to right lung. Something hit spine and damaged 3 vertebrate??? Was not the bullet, as the main bullet exited on the right shoulder. Exit was a 30 caliber exit hole. Everything in between was totally destroyed I am told. Excessive damage to vital organs and tissues, very little to no meat damage at all, a good point for the meat hunters I suppose. Heart was not damaged or hit. It was bang, flop. No running, not even a step, bang and drop to the dirt.

This is reported direct to me not 15 minutes ago. I give it to you as it was given to me. First words were, "That is one Bad Ass Bullet".

Michael

I've got news for you, the .30-30 never suffered for a lack of lethality.......

Having said that and having followed the terminal ballistics thread in the Big Bore forum from the beginning, I applaud the direction rifle bullets are finally taking and this is no exception!

I hope to not get in trouble by posting about micro bores in this forum. However, Dan and I have been discussing through emails an effective bullet weight for 25-20WCF and 22Hornet. I won't give up on my 375H or my 600 Overkill just yet so don't be alarmed

Want to take bets on there being a "run" on 30-30 rifles at WalMart when word gets out about this Switcherooy thingamabob animal exploder??

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Want to take bets on there being a "run" on 30-30 rifles at WalMart when word gets out about this Switcherooy thingamabob animal exploder??

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i've used a .30-30 for a lot of years and they work fine on hogs. just gotta put the bullet in the right place

Just had some preliminary tests from a 30-30 done by Michael. Remember there is twice the penetration in game as in the test media.

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Originally posted by michael458:
Hey Guys! See ya'll have been busy as normal! I had to be out all afternoon and just now getting back.

At any rate, I think we can breath some new fire in the Old 30/30 cartridge! Quickly this morning I got a test in with the 130 ESP Raptors, in the 30/30 as we have talked about earlier. As suspected, no surprises, the bullet performed very good. I had no real load data on 30/30, and if I did I just never thought enough of it to even record it as data, as I know I have loaded 30/30 in the past, and still have most everything I have loaded. I just picked 34 gr of TAC out of the Barnes book, Max load for the 130 TSX. Did not seem like much to me, so I am sure velocity can be increased, but I was shooting a 16 inch barrel Winchester.



Solids first! Oh yes, you guys know I love a good solid, and this is a dandy, it's a BBW#13, so what can you say!



I dare say there are NO 30/30 bullets on the market that can do that. And dead damned straight as well, see the photos, one is from the rear, you see the NonCon part, the other is the second bullet from the front of course.





Nose forward, full speed ahead!

Next turned around with the NonCon forward!



A photo says it all! The 30/30 just changed it's spots!

Michael