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Also posted this on the handgun hunting forum, but thought some of you boys here might have some insight, too. ********************************** Am headed back to S. FL to whack a meat hog after some fishing in about ten days. Can anyone recommend a factory .44 mag load that's a good choice for letting the air out of a hog, please? As dogs and a buggy will be employed, it's likely going to be a close shot (my lst one I brained at about 20 feet with my '94 in .30-30. I'll be toting a 8" or 9" Ruger SBH (I forget which), but if the barrel length effects the answer, I'll break out a tape. TIA for any help. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | ||
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At inside of 50 yards it is probably not going to matter much as long as you don't use a standard JHP (not saying a standard JHP won't work, just wouldn't be my choice). These Grizzly hard cast leads are supposed to have a pretty good rep. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewp...90#productTabReviews Whitworth has a lot of experience with 44s and hogs. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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+1 on hard cast lead. GWB | |||
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Buffale Bore has several loads taht will fit the bill. below are what woudl be my two choices in factory ammo if I did not hand load. Heavy 44 Mag This is another good chice DRSS Kreighoff 470 NE Valmet 412 30/06 & 9.3x74R | |||
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I'm somewhat surprised that they will let anyone they don't know use a pistol. In general that's a recipe for getting dogs shot. I'd recommend a good knife, BUT that said, ANY of decent 44 load, including the much maligned JHPs (which I wouldn't normally recommend for hogs) will work since you will likely be putting the pistol ON the hog and pulling the trigger. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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BTW while buffalo bore loads or their equivalent will certainly work, you don't need them. It's a hog, not a charging grizzly or an elephant. Any hard cast 240-270 lead bullet will go completely through him at about 1100 fps or so (another way to get a dog shot). xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Wonder if nowdays all the hog-dog-men use catch dogs like pit-bulls and dogos, or if some still just use hounds to bay up the hog. Bayed hogs without a catch dog can sometimes be real exciting before you're good and ready.. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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I sure can't speak for all dog men everywhere but locally and everywhere I know of, which includes a decent area of Texas and Ark, they use catch dogs, usually pits. If you don't you wind up replacing a helluva lot of bay dogs. Around here, a lot of the chase/bay dogs don't even get named since they don't last long. Normally they don't run with cut vest and collars on and the medium size boars kill them pretty fast if they are not fast on their feet or just unlucky. Had one guy, paid $3500 for dog, turned him loose either the first or second time he used him on a hog in a cane thicket (against my dog guys advice) and he buried him later that morning. Hog got away. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I have done this shoot before, and they did not use catch dogs. A baying dog was released, and it chased the hogs into some thick palmettos. The dog worried the hog, barking and making a general nuisance of himself, but did not attack the hog, keeping his distance to around 10 feet. As such, the hogs stand ready to fight, and may make a charge at the dog, but it's not a matter of a tangled mess of dog and hog I'm going to try to thread a bullet through. Thank you for the suggestions; I appreciate it. As all of the meat I've gotten from my last two hog killing trips is now gone, I need more. Excellent eats, all of them have been. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Can you say pork loin, or pork chops or pork ribs or even pulled pork. Sounds delicious. GWB | |||
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Can I say this instead?  I have not yet killed one that was not absolutely delicious. But then I don't mind killing sows and the smaller ones...                   ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Kamo-G, You're too Cool! I guess I'll have to break out the camera, too. Funny, by the time we're ready to sit down to a meal of Wild Boar we're normally working on the 2nd or 3rd bottle of Red Wine anyway, somehow the camera gets forgotten in the all the gastronomical delight! Bon Appetite!  Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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Wow! Now my stomach is rumbling! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Have that same weapon. Have shot 240g Keith head bullets almost exclusively. Good penatration on body shots, good ballistics for longer shots. Proven bullet. Between my father [was his gun] and myself, maybe 200 hogs,from small to very very large, with that gun/ammo combo. Plus, it does not mess up the meat on smaller eating hogs | |||
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Me too. | |||
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We use bay dogs, and don't run cut vests because it is to hot. I've been hunting hogs for 10 years and only lost one dog, but I also have never spent 3500.00 either. The most expensive one always gets hurt or killed. As far as catch dogs I like a pit cross with blackmouth or leopard, gritty but still dog friendly. | |||
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Man, that looks so good I am drooling all over myself. DRSS | |||
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After looking at those photo's the gril cheese I just had is not fulfilling. | |||
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KG  Outstanding in every way. Best GWB | |||
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Very good post, especially the pictures. Last time I went to Texas, I got several hogs, but failed to bring back any of the meat. I gave it all away, or to my buddies. I hope to never make that mistake again, as your pictures so vividly reminded me of how big of a mistake that was. The year before I brought back about 70 pounds, sausage, hams, etc. Sure was good, but gone too soon. I can see how a pistol could be a hazzard to dogs in the mix. IMO, the best advice was the 240 gr hard cast Keith. It will still shoot through a hog though, so make sure no dog is on the other side. Should do the job very well, with a very careful shooter, whether using catch dogs or not. If a good load with the FN hard cast is not available, then my second choice is the plain old 240gr soft nose jacketed bullets. They work good on the big halibut here, except for the splash. Haven't shot a hole in the boat yet. It seems to me it's just a question of how close ya get. Seems like an exciting hunt either way, and something I would like to see, if not actually do. It would be very difficult to convince me to knife a hog. The thought of it, makes my 4" S&W 44 mag seem very comforting.Be sure to take pictures during your hunt, and post them for us. Much appreciated, and good luck. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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I have much fun snapping pictures during cooking and eating, and I guess some things are the same everywhere, as almost all those pics were taken when I was three sheets to the wind. I would have hoped that the first shot with me going full carnivore on that shoulder from a 120 lb. boar was a pretty decent hint. I normally utilize things like forks, actually. Really. Except maybe when drinking heavily. OK, so I do it all the time, but that's beside the point. Recipe on that cut is nothing more than a killer homemade dry rub smothered all over, wrapped well in heavy foil with some celery stalks and kicked around in campfire coals over 3-4 hours. Roughly. Me and three other guys demolished it in about 4 minutes flat. When I saw how little was left for the chef and originator of the fine meat, laid claim to what was left on the bone. Naturally one of the lads didn't waste any time snapping a pic of me doing the drunken mountain chef. Hey, what are friends for, right? Thanks for the comments and suggestions, gents. Funny, but I've read time and time again how many of the hogs shot are all but unfit for human consumption, but I think at least some of it is pure myth. In addition to the ones I've killed--and eaten with gusto--I've had other A+ experiences eating off of other folks' hogs/boars, and without exception they've been good to excellent table fare. IF we make it down for Sunday (ongoing Spirit Air strike may toss a wrench in our plans), I'm slated to make some groceries on Wednesday. I'll post up how we make out. Assuming we get down. Anyway, cheers, folks. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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