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As most probably know, the SCI & DSC shows are back to back this year. I have wondered what kind of problem this will cause. I have invited a number of people to a function at SCI. These are people that have been there year in and year out for years. I have to report that there is a substantial portion of those people who are not going to SCI this year. They cite Reno & the timing. Interestingly, not a single person has said they are bagging DSC. This is going to be interesting. If my sample proves to be anything like the members as a whole, the SCI show will be a total disaster. Time will tell. | ||
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See you at DSC Larry! | |||
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Look forward to it! | |||
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For us it was the cancellation of the direct flight from Chicago O'Hare to Reno on American Airlines why we are not going to SCI. With winter weather, connecting flights are a big risk. So I am going to Dallas instead by myself. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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To give you an idea of the negative reaction, I had 40 names to invite to the function. Most are at SCI year in year out for as long as I can remember. Of those names, 18 are not going to SCI this year. Maybe my group is not representative. | |||
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I am not going to the SCI Convention in Reno either.(Not that I was on Larry's list or that anyone here gives a rat's ass as to whether I'm there or not) I have attended the SCI Convention every year for the last 12, including a number of them when it was held in Reno, but Reno has proven to not be my cup of tea. In addition, SCI has cancelled their longstanding annual legal seminar at the Convention starting this year. Maybe another sign. . . . . | |||
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On the other hand MANY have said right here on AR how much better they like Reno than Vegas for the SCI show. I guess we shall see. Personally if I was not in the biz I'd probably skip SCI until it returned to Vegas and maybe do DSC instead. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Mark: The timing is the reason most cited although some have mentioned both. I hope that my group is not representative. It is bad for the industry for the show to flop. | |||
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My tux is out at the tailor and won't be back in time, or I would have RSVP'd. | |||
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I am hoping to make it to DSC, later in the month of Jan works better for me to attend, otherwise I might go to Reno | |||
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Last years SCI turned me off and I blame the move out of Mandalay bay.I doubt I will go to Reno or possibly to another convention.I think I will save that money to go hunting again.It got to the point where I asked myself "Why I am I paying for this?" | |||
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I am a Life member of SCI. However, I have never been active in the organization, nor have I ever joined our local SCI club. I signed up the first year I began to learn about safari hunting. I went with my wife once with some friends to the SCI convention and had a wonderful time. I was, however, shocked at the price of admission. We didn’t know about preregistering, and paid $400 at the gate for the two of us. A few years later we were invited to the DSC convention by a different pair of friends. Cost for admission was $30 for the both of us. For us, I think that about pretty much sums it up. We are not wealthy, but we’re comfortable. The SCI convention was great, but so was the DSC convention... | |||
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Hi Larry, I will be attending the DSC convention this year for most of it. I was asked by a few friends from Africa if i would be in Reno and i let them know that i am passing on that convention this year. I am just a small fish in the pond, and i am sure the bigger fish will attend the Reno SCI convention. I will take in the local SCI Banquet the end of January. Like you said it is one convention right after the other this year. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got the strongest hand in the world. That's right. Your hand. The hand that marks the ballot. The hand that pulls the voting lever. Use it, will you" John Wayne | |||
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This is not good news! If DSC starts getting bigger, exhibitors are going to be leaving SCI in droves! Blackmail does not work forever! | |||
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Strangely, today I heard radio advertising on the local (Bakersfield, CA) station for the SCI convention in Reno. I've listened to this station for over ten years and this is the first time ever hearing ads for the SCI convention, even when it was in Las Vegas (which is much closer than Reno) Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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My guess is the Bakersfield SCI chapter sprung for the ads. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Or SCI is finally feeling the effect of their past behavior towards everyone in the hunting industry? They have been treating the exhibitors like an endless cash cow with non stop blackmail. They have alienated a lot of hunters by them turning hunting into a competition! | |||
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Exactly! I went once, and that was last year. Over priced and I was not impressed. Spent some money, for nothing, really. I do however, want to try DSC. To each their own.... | |||
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My wife and I will be attending SCI, for only the second time. First time was in Las Vegas and I didn’t care much for it. Maybe Reno will be better. We attended the just completed Namibian PH Association AGM and more than a few outfitter’s said they were skipping SCI this time, most citing flight difficulties. To Saaed’s post, DSC really can’t grow our convention as we already utilize the entire convention center and there isn’t a larger suitable site anywhere nearby. About 825,000 sq feet used for exhibits and another 150,000 sq feet for other purposes. 2020 will present the same delima as far as how close together the shows are scheduled, except DSC will be first. I really hope SCI has a successful show, there are enough hunters out there to support both shows...but I hope even more that DSC has a successful show. I promise that it won’t be for lack of effort from a whole lot of volunteers. Karl Evans | |||
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I’m going to Reno this year. Have enjoyed both SCI shows in Vegas and previously in Reno. Went to Dallas last year for my first DSC and enjoyed it as well. I will try and do each show every second year. We need to support the cause guys!! | |||
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SCI sucks bad enough on it's own, couple that with Reno and you get a double dose of suckage. DSC is the only way to fly. | |||
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Most of the people I've spoken with are skipping SCI this year and going to DSC. A common complaint I'm hearing is a general lack of interest in going to Reno as well as travel difficulties for the majority of the country. My international clients are nearly all skipping SCI. People will still go to Reno but I am curious to see what the show floor looks like vs. the number that SCI claims walks through the door. Hopefully DSC puts on a good show as usual, I think it's going to be the biggest one yet. Greg Greg Brownlee Neal and Brownlee, LLC Quality Worldwide Big Game Hunts Since 1975 918/299-3580 greg@NealAndBrownlee.com www.NealAndBrownlee.com Instagram: @NealAndBrownleeLLC Hunt reports: Botswana 2010 Alaska 2011 Bezoar Ibex, Turkey 2012 Mid Asian Ibex, Kyrgyzstan 2014 | |||
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The travel difficulty is a common thing that I was told from those who are not going because of Reno. | |||
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Odd thing. Yesterday I got an email from SCI to the effect that the demand for convention tickets had been so high they were extending the period to purchase tickets at a discount. I thought that sounded odd, demand is high so we are continuing a discount, seemed like if demand was high they would not have a need to extend the discount. Bottom line, no one is ever going to get a straight answer out of SCI on attendance. Mike | |||
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Mike, I believe that is the 3rd one of those ext. email's I have received. I don't remember getting them in the past. | |||
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Bingo | |||
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Hahaha! It is so funny but I sm not really laughing! Seeing one of what supposedly OUR organization going down hill is not a laughing matter! Did we ever get a straight answer from SCI on ANYTHING? | |||
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If the show is west of the Rockies, I am not going. Especially in the winter. Dallas, New Orleans, San Antonio and others are better venues. | |||
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Honestly, I don't think they consider the weather issues as well as the difficulty of flying into Reno on good days. I have missed one convention in the last 30+ years. I have been to Reno many times both for the convention and business. There have been quite a few conventions in Reno with massive weather problems. People could not get out. I remember landing one year and looking outside. The snow was the deepest I have ever seen. It was 8-9 feet deep in places. In the final analysis, I think the back to back is going to be a massive problem. I hope I am wrong. | |||
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I’m not going to either this year. If I were going to only one, DSC hands down. NRA Patron member | |||
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My oldest son lives in Dallas not too bad a drive. It's a given I'll go there if I'm free. I'm working the week of SCI this January. So it really would have been a hard sell for me to go to both this year given the short interval, even had I been able to. There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
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Karl, DSC does a bang up job of making every attendee feel welcome. ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I also found the extension of the discount period to be odd. If there are less attendees at the show it could be good for exhibitors as the ones that come may very well be the ones that will buy rather than just being there to socialize with old friends. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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A safari outfitter in Zambia told us this past September when we were hunting with him that he prefers Reno over Las Vegas. His reasoning is that Reno is indeed harder to get to and people going there tend to be on a mission to book a hunt so you get more face time with people seriously looking to book. Vegas has a lot to do so many of the attendees are just strolling around looking and spending a lot of time in idle chatter. That is one exhibitors opinion. | |||
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Biggest problem I have found is former clients hanging around a booth to the point you can't get a private conversation started with the outfitter. Most annoying as a potential new customer. | |||
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I don't agree with the Zambian Outfitter's logic at all. Why would anyone believe that SCI attendees are more serious about booking hunts because the Convention is in Reno? Silly logic at best. But, I do agree with dinsdale. Seems that everyone who has ever hunted Africa wants to re-live their hunt with the previous PH and just waste the time of everyone else seriously looking to book. Now, that IS a problem for sure. | |||
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You all are correct. Former clients hanging around is a major problem. I also doubt the outfitters logic. On the other hand, many say that due to the fewer alternative activities, people spend more time in the convention in Reno. | |||
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The Bakersfield chapter closed down 4 years ago. Best regards, D. Nelson | |||
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I think DSC was smart to move back their timing. Have been to the show and thought the MUCH better cost of admission and general vibe was great but too early in the year. I heard a rumor (just a rumor) that someone working for SCI moved the show to Reno and then took a job with the Reno Tourist Board. Only reason I can understand for moving it from vegas. Vegas had cheap flights, many more good restaurants and more things to do if you want to bring family or guests along (and they don't want to spend all day on the show floor). I really think SCI blew this one big time and DSC move to push date back was smart - would be very surprised if DSC does not have a great year and SCI has a bad one. Also, as Larry says, who wants to spend two days walking a show floor and then go somewhere else the following weekend and walk the show floor for two days - no thanks. | |||
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Funny story. About 15-16 years ago when I lived in Fresno, I went to the SCI Bakersfield chapter banquet in my motor home. The banquet was somewhere way out in the sticks about 120 miles from home and I figured I would stay on site to avoid drinking and driving. I told the organizers when I arrived what my plan wasand was told- no problem. Parked right near the door. The next morning when I got ready to leave, I discovered the gate was padlocked. I had no number to call and had to be home in 3 hours. Solution- I drove into the chain link gate and snapped the chain lock. Typical SCI- a management clusterf—-! Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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