i like the 338 lapua in a ar-30 armalite, in fact based only on performance i'll take it over the 375 h+h

.275 rigby (aka 7mm mauser, 7x57) shot placement, not raw horsepower, long bullets with straight line penetration and high sectional density while providing excellent accuracy. you can do it all varmints to ele's as long as you do it carefully!!

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Originally posted by boom stick:
i like the 338 lapua in a ar-30 armalite, in fact based only on performance i'll take it over the 375 h+h

I'll have to go with the obvious. The .375 H&H. I use it for prairie dogs, deer and elk. Couldn't think of a better round. If for some reason I couldn't have the H&H I would go for the .375 Dakota. Same balistics in a shorter package.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
i like the 338 lapua in a ar-30 armalite, in fact based only on performance i'll take it over the 375 h+h

Autoloaders are forbidden to foreign hunters in every African safari destination, and I doubt the .338 Lapua would be legal for Cape buffalo, rhino, and elephant.

George

416 remington, with 300 grain bullets its a squirrel gun with 400 grain bullets its a elephant gun. Everything else falls in between

How about a Marlin 1895 in 45-70? 300 grain softpoints for the small stuff, to 405 grain cor-bons for everything else.

O.K., George, the Armalite AR-30 in .338 Lapua is a goofy choice, but it is not an autoloader. It is a bolt action repeater with a detachable box magazine, an aluminum alloy, pistol gripped stock, a tank style muzzle brake added onto the 26" barrel, and it weighs about 12 pounds. Silly, and not legal for DG because it is less than legal minimum caliber.

My choice? A .375 Weatherby On a true magnum Mauser, made by Johannsen with a McMillan stock of walnut brown fiberglass.

This way I can shoot .375 H&H cartridges as well as some creative .375 Weatherby rounds loaded out to 3.75" COL.

Thanks, RIP, I struck out that error.

George

As I have used my 416 Rigby loaded with 350 gn RCBS cast flat nose bullets loaded to 1800 fps to take turkey and whitetail I think going up from there to ele or buff with 400 gn solids at 2400 fps should about cover it............JJ

Sorry, I choose the obvious 375!

I don't see how anyone can compare the 375 H&H to a 416 Rem or Rigby for an all around caliber, the 416 Rem will push a 300 gr. bullet at 2900, a 350 at the same velocity as the 06 pushes a 280 gr. and a 400 gr. bullet at an easy 2400 plus FPS..

Sorry guys but facts is facts and I love the old 375, always had one and always will..Now if recoil is a factor then perhaps the 375 has that advantage, but I can't tell any difference in the two...

I know the when I am looking at a charge I will pick the 416 everytime over a 375..

I've shot Guineafowl and porupines to Cape Buffalo and Giraffes with my .416 Remington.

Got to go with that!

have to be a cz .416 Rigby I suppose, I could quite happliy hunt everything with the 340 gr woodleigh''s, the 410 gr woodleigh's and the 400 gr Taipans I suppose. All I would need is Nosler to make something like 290 gr Nosler Ballistic tip.

From praire dogs to ele there is only one that qualifies! The 375 H&H! Not a WEA or Dakota, or any other bastardized 375. The plain old 375H&H will do. It is legal for everything, has less recoil, and can be shot from any hunting position, and with a change of bullet weight, and type will do it all! I have three 375 H&H rifles, and have never been without at least one in my vault! Though I like double rifles, and can shoot about any rifle/caliber I want, when I pick up a bolt rifle it will be one of two, depending on what I'm about to hunt. One is a Manlicher Shoenauer MCA rifle chambered for 243 Win, and the other will be a 375 H&H Whitworth, of my FN Mauser.

Is the 375 H&H the best charge stopper? NO! Will it stop anything on Earth with the proper bullet, Placed in the proper place? YES! Is the 375 H&H the best P-Dog rifle? NO!, will it work for long range small targets? with the right bullet, and load, YES!

NOW! If we are talking only Africa, then the 416 Remington may be better, but if so, not by much, and only on the top boy, the ELEPHANT. With the proper bullet in the 375 H&H, I'm not sure the 416 is better even on the ele, and I know it is not as good on long shots on small targets!

All only my OPINION, and Not chiseled in stone anyplace I know of!

There is really only one choice in a one gun to hunt the world with and it is a 375 of some sort. (if you eliminate buffalo and elephant then a 338 might be ok)

I have to guess a 375 H&H also. The 225 grain Hornady SP at 2000-3000 fps covers small and medium game and the 300 grain'ers at 2500 fps for serious game.

Guys,

Although I don't own one right now I think I might choose the 375 Weatherby(you only excluded the H&H version). It does everything the wonderful old 375 H&H does but just a little better. Now it is not just a handload proposition as the Weatherby ammo with the 300 gr. NP's is excellent. I chronographed some of this stuff from a 22" barrel at 2780 FPS. Come up with a solid bullet load for little stuff and elephant and your good to go.

Regards,

Mark

P.S. I could make a case for the 458 Win. Mag. but we've been there too many times.

My obvious first choice would be the 375, but since we're excluding that, I would have to go with the .338WM, as long as I can still hand load.

DGK

Why not a 358 norma mag?

I'd use my 9.3x62 and try to shoot most of my critters in a size range that falls somewhere between varmint and elephant.

I don't plan on shooting too many elephants, so I'll go with a 338 Win. Mag. loaded with 250 gr. Nosler Partitions and another load featuring 250 gr. Barnes solids. Good enough to hunt the world............

AD

Well, this started out as "except for a 375 H&H", so how about a 30-06. I know, not legal for elephant etc, so exactly how many elephants do you plan to shoot? It will work, it has worked for DG in the past and probably will in the future. Not my first choise or anyone else's, but the question is will it work.

So, legal considerations asside, most of the game would be deer to eland in size and so an 06 "would do" just fine. 100 gr Plinkers work great for gophers and varmints of any sort or loaded down for grouse. It would be very easy to get any sort of ammo almost anywhere. You can handload just about whatever you might need including cast bullets. The 06 is available in any style of action you might desire and in every price range. Also, the caliber tends to be quite accurate.

My second choise would be a 9.3x62 for similar reasons.

The "obvious" wins again as it has since 1912!


465H&H

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Originally posted by pharaoh2:
How about a Marlin 1895 in 45-70? 300 grain softpoints for the small stuff, to 405 grain cor-bons for everything else.

pharaoh2...i think you are my new best friend...my favorite gun is my 45-70 guide gun

i dont know why more are not defending the lapua...
160 barnes x @ 3600 fps
300 grain woodleigh @ 2650 fps

that should make a gopher turn into a pink puff and be supersonic @ 400 yards and also give an elephant a headache

Boom Stick,

The 338 Lapua does not meet the legal requirements for buffalo and elephant.

The 378 Wby maintains your line of thinking and meets legal requirememts.

The 378 has about the same velocity as the 338 Lapual with bullets of the same sectional density.

Mike

the laws will change eventually to keep up with the modern bullets and higher velocities...check out gerards site for the gs custom bullets and see what he says about the 338 win mag and cape buffs

338 win mag can do it all

Bill

I would say .375h&h but if that's "not allowed", I would go 9.3x64.

I have said many times that I dearly love the .375, but I do know its weaknesses and I would dread the thought of standing a charge from either an Alaskan Brown or a Cape Buffalo with one...The 416 on the other hand will handily handle it all, including elephant and its a heck of an Impala rifle...

So all ye who have fallen into complacency of the gun writters tribe and feel the 375 is the hammer of Thor, then please forward me your particulars, so that I might write letters of condolences to your families in the event no one else cares for you!

i love the 416 rigby too

I have a number of local friends who have a whole safe full of rifles, any number of which could be used on everything from "varmints to elephants", the trouble is, most of these guys haven't hunted outside the borders of Oregon, ever. An all-around rifle does not become one until it's used as such............

Jim Carmichel said it best:

"There's no shortage of all-purpose rifles -- where are the all-purpose hunters?"

AD

Leaving the legality side out of the equation I think the 300 Magnum would be best for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, for the couple of big animals like buffalo or elephant you would shoot the way luck could pan out on the day the 300 Mag might do better than the 577. No different to the 223 dropping deer size animals quicker than bigger guns at different times.

But the animals where you will do a lot of shooting are much smaller. Since it is varmints to elephants a 416 might make you pretty groggy after a week of roo and pig shooting in Australia

Mike

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Originally posted by MacD37:
From praire dogs to ele there is only one that qualifies! The 375 H&H! Not a WEA or Dakota, or any other bastardized 375.

Here's mud in your eye, you obnoxious curmudgeon! How dare you bastardize my .375 Weatherby!

The .375 Weatherby is the most classy and versatile cartridge in the whole dang world!

Cheers to you too, Mac.

Mark H. Young has got his head on straight.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Here's mud in your eye, you obnoxious curmudgeon! How dare you bastardize my .375 Weatherby!

The .375 Weatherby is the most classy and versatile cartridge in the whole dang world!

Cheers to you too, Mac.

Mark H. Young has got his head on straight.

Objection noted!

You're a good man Mac.
Keep at it and you might convert a few of the .375 Weatherby horde to .375 H&H.
Yep, .375 H&H will do ... but a .375 Weatherby can do the same and more.

My $0.02, as stated many times previously...375 H&H. But since that is too obvious per post rules, then .416 Rigby since minimum caliber requirements in some countries rule out .338 Win Mag.

Personnally, I rather like the 375 Ultra. The more I've shot it, the more I reeeealy like it. When you launch the 300 gr bullet at extra 250 f/s or so, it becomes another cartridge altogether. I had wanted to have one ever since Jon Sundra wildcatted the 300 Ultra and hunted Buff with it. Just ask Saeed about his "375" and he'll gladly tell you he doesn't need to shoot anything bigger for DG.

Well since you said one gun and not cartridge the answer is obvious. The Blaser R93 of course! One rifle with fifteen or so barrels from .223 to .416 Remington. Case closed!

I don't see how anyone can compare the 375 H&H to a 416 Rem or Rigby for an all around caliber, the 416 Rem will push a 300 gr. bullet at 2900, a 350 at the same velocity as the 06 pushes a 280 gr. and a 400 gr. bullet at an easy 2400 plus FPS..

Ray,

Don't get me wrong, as I believe your one of the best posters at this site, but the 280 grain in the 06 must be a typo, right? If not, could you give us some info on this slug.

Roger QSL