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To everything there is a season, for every caliber there is a appropriate target. If you were going on a plainsgame hunt and threw your beloved 30-30 in the case for the hell of it, what would you be willing to shoot with it? Of the trophies that I've taken to date, I wouldn't hesitate to use it on impala, tessebe and red lechewe. Maybe warthog or hyena What about you? | ||
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I wouldn't hesitate on any plains game inside of 100 yds provided I could pick my shot. How many moose do you think the 30-30 has killed? Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I know I would not shoot Eland or Giraffe with it. And probably not Kudu. | |||
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My simple rule, the bigger the trophy fee the bigger the caliber within reason. My beloved 30-30 stays home unless my other 30 caliber(s) break before leaving. Besides it's likely your PH already thinks poorly of you. | |||
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Aww ta hell with the ph. You are paying for the trip. If the critters are within 100 yds., and you are a cool customer, you can shoot them all with a 30-30. One caveat, you wound it, ya pay for it! Your 30-30, combined with something like a 170 gr. nosler part., will kill all the plains game you can afford to hunt! maddog | |||
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A bullet in the ribs and any and all will be yours. Mike | |||
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Pretty much the same, I like my 30-30, but it would not be my weapon of choice for Eland or Giraffe. I would take my 375. | |||
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BULLET PLACEMENT. . .I find more important on safari than calibre I know of a 14yr old girl who hunted a complete PG safari including Eland with a 243. NOT IDEAL but proves that just as in bow hunting .If you put the bullet where it counts then no problems. The Question is can you put that O'll 30\30 where it counts. . .??   Dave Dave Davenport Outfitters license HC22/2012EC Pro Hunters license PH74/2012EC www.leopardsvalley.co.za dave@leopardsvalley.co.za +27 42 24 61388 HUNT AFRICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN Follow us on FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/#!/leopardsvalley.safaris | |||
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Thanks for your comments. My question was prompted by the fact that a friend is interested in coming with me in 2011. He only has one gun, you guessed it, a 30-30. If he decides to spring for Buffalo my advice is simple; buy a 375. But if he he wants to take a lighter rifle for some plaines game or opts for plaines game alone, what do I suggest? My normal suggestion would be a 30-06, but that is a little light for heavy plaines game, eland, zebra and frankly if he is going to have a two rifle battery, 30-30 isn't that far from 30-06. I don't believe that 300 WM is any better than a 30-06 inside 300 yds. 338 WM is a big step up, but why not just go to 375 and have a gun that you can use for DG should you ever choose to. I'm thinking just reccommend a 375 and tell him to toss in the 30-30 for impala etc. Given that situation I was curious as to what everyone would opt to use the 30-30 for. Thanks for the input. | |||
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The AK 47 seems to be a favorite with poachers. That's nothing more than a 30-30 power rifle. Shotgun | |||
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I for one would love to see a stack of plains game taken with a 30-30. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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When you're not paying to hunt, nor paying the trophy fee on a wounded animal, it's fine. I don't want to pay for animals I don't get to take home. | |||
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Hunting plains game with a 30-30 is the same as one hunting dangerous game with a double. One can do it, but one has to limit himself to shots at closer range, and in relatively open terrain. And as hase been mentioned earlier, bullet placement is the key. Shooting over a water hole would be ideal for this caliber. | |||
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30-30 is not a typical "African" cartridge. Obviously the animals will recognize this and simply just not fall over.  | |||
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Very true. But, African animals are quick learners. The first buffalo I shot with my own wildcat, the 375/404, just stood there chewing the cud. As if nothing has happened. This despite the fact that a 300 grain Barnes X bullet went through both shoulders, breaking them, and destroying the top of the heart completely. I said to me PH "I hit him in the shoulders. He should be dead!" My Ph answered "He is, but he hasn't realized this yet. You see, you are using a brand new caliber, and the animals here are unaware of it yet. As soon as they learn that you shoot it well, they will start dropping in their tracks!" Word must have travelled very fast. The next day I brained an elephant with it. He dropped in his tracks, stone dead before his head hit the ground. Next were two buffalo bulls. Each collapsed with a brain shot. In fact, Walter said "Bloody hell! Word must get around here really quickly. I swear that second buffalo dropped before you shot!" Which was probably true too. As I have killed an animal or two, and despite all our efforts, we were unable to find a bullet wound on them at all. The reputation of my rifle must have scared them to death! | |||
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You all forgot about the Coriolis effect on bullet twist... You see the 30-30 has killed many elk and moose in its day but that is in the Northern Hemisphere. The Coriolis effect changes the bullets revolutions in the Southern Hemisphere and therefore the 30-30 can't kill eland, watrerbuck, zebra, and kudu. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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 Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I think a 30-30 or in my case it would be a 32 Special would be loads of fun on a safari you did not take too seriously. You'd have to realize that if a really big kudu was going dead away there would be no shot. I do think as Ross suggested that the Nosler Partition would improve performance over the old standard cup and core bullets these old cartridges have been loaded with. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Saeed, How does a buffalo stand with two broken shoulders? 465H&H | |||
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The 30-30 also has let a lot of animals escape crippled that would have been found if a more powerful cartridge had been used, i.e. 30/06. Use enough gun has always been good advice. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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Any PG animal inside the 100yds ,i would exclude eland,Kudu,Giraffe,concentrate in penetration ,use a barnesx ,or bear claw or similar point. www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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A .30-30 bullet going through a white-tailed deer any location that .30-06 bullet does will have close to the same if not the same effect...a dead deer. You put a 170 grain decent bullet through the ribs of an Eland with a .30-30...your gonna have a dead Eland. The limitations of the .30-30 are usually the capabilities of the rifle it is chambered in. If it were chambered in a good bolt-action with a 4X scope on it...you would be amazed at what you could do. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Mike, Do you think my Savage Model 99 in 300 Savage would suffer from the same phenomenon? I'd hate to see the bullets go wacky on me. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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I have an old Winchester 30-30 that was my grandfathers. He fed his family with it shooting game, this gun was bought in the depression,, for 12 dollars,, on time payments, a dollar a month.Bullets were costly for him and every shot counted. Four generations in my family have hunted with it including my son and all have put down game with it. Would I take it to Africa,, heck no,,,it has too much personal value,, would if do the job on most plains game,, yes! Your friend needs a new rifle, put a 375 in his hand and then all is taken care of! you can make more money, you can not make more time | |||
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TerryR If your friend is a crack shot -then why not? -within 150 yards or so. You sound like a rifle shooter -and so you know that it is always "bullet placement -bullet placement - bullet placement". If he knows anatomy then so much the better! I,as an American, am delighted that he wants to take a 30-30 to Africa. (OK, you Africa types, I always loved your 7x57 and highly respected its penetration -so why can't a "real American" caliber like the 30-30 do just as well on lesser game like impala? -or,yeah, even on eland? The 30-30 has killed elk and moose, practically as big as your eland!  So what's the objection? Just a lot of "old boy" objection to a caliber that has killed more North American deer and moose than all other "hot shot" calibers put together. Fact. Be very careful when you guys attack the 30-30 to an old American hunter! | |||
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Bushbuck for sure Not zebra I had to chase one a whole day after my cousin shot it with 32 special | |||
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Mikelravy Boy,did your post hit home! I slammed a zebra at about 60 yards with a 375, 300 gr.SP at around 8:30 in the morning. (It was really an easy shot - but just as I touched off, the zebra stepped down slightly on a small slope - and I hit him high,almost near the collar bone - the PH thought I had hit him low (mistaking the step down for a bullet hit (like I said, the zebra moved almost just as I squeezed off) -and so thought he could almost run him down. He was not put down until nearly 4 in the afternoon -and I didn't do it either (to my shame - I had dropped out around 12PM - or so and the PH took my rifle (and gave me his 470,N.E. which I already had shot and was familiar with) and took off after him. He dropped him -came back in a two hour walk -and got me. (It's a whole other story as to how we organized an expedition after we got back to camp and retrieved the zebra. Africa gave me constant experiences) BTW, I hope that wasn't a Win.32 Special your cousin used - In "Cartridges of the World", Barnes wrote a very funny comment (to me) that I always remembered after reading it - "The 32 Win.Special is a great cartridge for anyone who doesn't believe that smokeless powder is here to stay". (The 30-30 was a smokeless powder load and one of the very earliest and the 32 had been a black powder load before switching over to smokeless. Apparently many shooters of the time regarded the 30-30 as far superior. Never having shot the 32 Special I have no opinion and am just passing on a story) | |||
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The 30-30 just isn't an African caliber in my mind. It is one of those that I would never consider taking on Safari. Saying that, any one else is free to take one and if that turns his motor, I am all for them. 465H&H | |||
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Terry, Would not take a 30-30, although it is a 30 caliber, I would not take the chance on any animal in Africa. I believe in a 1 shot kill, would not go on a Safari for Plains game without by 300 Weatherby bobga | |||
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Wink, Yep, your 300 savage won't work either...bullets twist the wrong way. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Within 100 yards, all plains game with a 30-30 provided I could call my shots and shoot broadside with a bullet that would penetrate. I think that wildebeest, eland, and especially giraffe would be pushing it. A bullet through the vitals is a dead animal, though. IIRC, John Taffin killed a zebra with a 6.5 JDJ in a Contender. That is a 120 grain bullet traveling at 2400 fps. I hunt, not to kill, but in order not to have played golf.... DRSS | |||
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Sure as you take a 30/30 out and are following something you'd be happy to take with it, you'll see an outsize monster of something-or-other bigger species at 250yds, standing broadside in the open, looking at you. Always take a 375 H&H as your small rifle. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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A 30-30 with the right bullet (think Barnes X) inside of 100 yards with proper shot placement will kill anything on the planet. As said earlier, how many moose has the 30-30-killed?? How many big African and Asian animals have died from the anemic British 303??? THAT SAID, Just because you can do something does not mean you should!!! My 30-30 stays here for deer and bear in Northern Maine. The smallest rifle I have ever taken to Africa was a 300 Win Mag. NRA Life DRSS Searcy 470 NE The poster formerly known as Uglystick | |||
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Here we go with the arm-chair experts. Nothing less than a .375. A .300 mag is barely enough. Those springbok are just too tough. Don't mess with a duiker with anything less either. I wish I had a penny for every time I read something stupid written here. Lookout Bill and Donald, there's a new billionaire in town. A 30-30 will kill any plaingame species in Africa. Yes, you can't expect to take extremely long shots. Why would you want to, I go to hunt, not target shoot. Each to his own, but a big kudu is about the size of an average elk. Every year I have customers kill elk with a lowly 30-30. I guess if we follow the same logic, you can't hunt dove with anything less than a 10g with 3 1/2" mag shells. You can borrow money, but you can't borrow time. Don't wait, go now. Savannah Safaris Namibia Otjitambi Trails & Safaris DRSS NRA SCI DSC TSRA TMPA | |||
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+1, to the tenth power (I don't know how to type an exponent). | |||
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A .30-30 would be the buck bollocks on any of the smaller-medium bushveld species (from Nyala size down). With a decent broadside shot it would certainly work with bigger species at reasonable distances. Guys shoot big PG with TC Contenders in .30-30 with 10" barrels. Not my first choice for a zebra, eland, wildebeest etc but a regular 150gr soft at 2300fps will reach the vitals on a broadside shot and will kill them. | |||
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If he takes the 30-30, be sure he loads up some 30-30 solids for it. May be real hard to come by 30-30 solids over there. Bob Nisbet DRSS & 348 Lever Winchester Lover Temporarily Displaced Texan If there's no food on your plate when dinner is done, you didn't get enough to eat. | |||
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