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Not sure if anyone else has posted this, but tonight CNN is showing a documentary on hunting and conservation; not sure if it is slanted or not. http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn....n-14-at-900pm-et-pt/ | ||
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Thanks for the heads up. Will watch with a little scepticism that it will be fair and balanced, but hope to be surprised. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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It is cnn. would you like to bet? Thanks for the heads up. DRSS NRA Life Member VDD-GNA | |||
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We will see? | |||
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I have seen the full version on iTunes. By the way DSC supports the movie, while SCI and two animal rights groups don't. The animal rights group are trying to get CNN not to show the movie. Tell you anything. | |||
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Thanks for the heads up. I just set my dvr. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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I'm taping it tonight, in order to make my own judgment. I fully expect at least 50% of it to be misleading and juvenile in it's perspective, but will attempt to look at the whole show before rendering judgment. Like many of you out there, I live in an area surrounded by non hunters, many of them lefties. To many of them, I am the only hunter they know. They often seem surprised that I can articulate my motives for hunting in an intelligent manner. I look forward to whatever they have to throw at me after watching this show. Stay tuned. | |||
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Thanks for the heads up. I just set it up to record. | |||
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Well, 20 minutes into the film, it is pretty damn balanced and accurate Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Thinking the same thing myself up to this point. I'm unfortunately still expecting it to get biased and wrenched quickly. | |||
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Who would have thought? SCI is in the same corner as the idiots! Why does this not surprise me at all?  | |||
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I am watching this now. Craig Packer is not the enemy. The unethical, put in take captive breed shooters are our enemy. I agree with Dr. Packer observation on hunters vs shooters. The oil is up two dollars list guy needs to be drummed out of the corpse. We can only do that by an organized set of ethics and rules that places value on experience not list or Horn size. | |||
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I do with a little less hooting and hollering after the shot... | |||
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I see some good and bad. The oil is up $2 guy with the croc is absolutely outrageous. Horrible. I would walk away from that place. Too much use of the word trophy. | |||
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I wanted to puke when the douchenozzle shot the croc and then had to set his beer down to finish him off. The lady was asking about blood on the bank and the native's told her it was from the last croc. Now that's put and take hunting!! | |||
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Gale, I am with you 100%. I knew something was wrong the instant I saw him firing offhand. | |||
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Like the S.Ct said about pornography, “I know it when I see it.” Just look at the size of the pond. SCI and DSC should get outifitters against a written declaration of ethics. If your operation is not fair chase then you do not get to sale, set up a booth, or donate the hunt. If the awards a contributing to this behavior then by heaven get rid of them, and find another source of income generation. When hunting is dead then there can be no SCI or DSC, Boone Crocket, and no animals. There are two evils colliding: anti hunting born free, and the its is all hunting it is all about putting game on the ground. | |||
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Better than I thought it would be overall. | |||
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That sure cured me of "defending any hunting method as long as it is legal where done". Legal does not mean ethical, and ethical is what matters in this fight. | |||
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Pleasantly surprised overall. Caleb | |||
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I quit after about an hour because it was disgusting to me. The croc in a stock tank and the juvenile elephant didn’t do it for me. Unfortunately, the CNN platform reaches so many more than what Dave Fulson does so well with on the Outdoor Channel. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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I’ll watch the second hour. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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Craig Packer not Parker. But you are correct...he is not the enemy. Been saying that for years. Craig is a friend of mine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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+1 The ele was PAC or ration I believe but still. And they didn’t finish it properly either. The guy who shot the croc in the stock pond...I would not walk across the street to piss on if he were on fire. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I was out snowmachining under the stars and northern lights and missed it. Can it be viewed elsewhere? Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Did they ever say Phillip the American hunter’s last name or does anyone know him? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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His name is Philip Glass. I don't know him but that's his name. Is it just me on did anyone want the elephant finished off a bit more quickly? | |||
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Philip Glass, I have met him. I agree the ele could have been finish off faster, Not every shot is a drop on the spot. But the lion was a fast clean kill. | |||
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Doc, I agree as I am watching again and they fire up smokes whiles it is still alive and moaning/bellowing. A $5 round or whatever needed to be expended. Own use or not, the elephant seemed young as the villagers said. I’ll watch it throughout, as I have a holiday tomorrow. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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YES! I was watching with my wife and we were both like WTF!? No idea why they watched it breathing, trunk moving and just watched. | |||
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I just saw the elephant hunt - Pathetic they did not just shoot the animal and put it out of its misery. Mike | |||
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I just watched the second half. It was much better, but not great. Mr. Hume, the APU gentleman (sorry I didn’t catch his name), and Phillip, the hunter, seemed to be good. I could have been much worse. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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What is lost in the ethical vs legal argument is that hunters have always been the group fighting for the definition of ethical and fair chase. We had a spot at the table of regulation bc we built the table. Now, there is a vocal and I will say minority that refuses the responsibility of regulation and ethics. There argument is it is hunting than it is ok. If you do not want to participate, then practice what you want to and leave others alone. My rebuttal of Basic Principals: If the specific activity is not allowing for the animal to win, and with dangerous game up killing its pursuers, it is not hunting and should not be part of our fabric. Overlapped with this is the requirement to kill the quarry as quickly as possible, meat utilization, and an off take of animals that allows for the long term sustainability of the species. In short hunters most regulate hunting or see it destroyed as the public will not and should not allow the practices we saw to exist. If I believed most hunting and most sport hunting was what that shooter and outfitter was engaging in. I would sell my guns and become an anti. Most folks who are not antis believe sport hunting big game is put and take jackass action as we saw in this film. The attitude if SCI especially in not supporting Dr. Packer answers for me what side they are on. It is not my side. | |||
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All in all , it could have been worse. It could have also been a hell of a lot better. Miscellaneous thoughts: 1- The word "trophy" was used far too often. That, in and of itself, if not helpful. 2- At times, I do not think they were making a clear enough distinction between poaching and legal, regulated hunting. I think we have to realize that the message must reach the lowest common denominator. 3- In my mind, there was not enough emphasis on the hunters dollars going into anti-poaching. 4- I think they made SCI look pretty bad. 5- I think there was a misstatement that made it sounds like ALL hunts sold at SCI were for specific animals like many put and take hunts. My wife spoke up ans said that that is not true. 6- If there are many "hunts" like the crocodile "hunt" shown, we hunters need to take action. Things like that are simply unacceptable. I don't know how this guy can look at himself in the mirror. Legal or not, I have a problem with it. 7- I wish they could have shown how many of "us"feel about things like that crocodile hunt. 8- I can't understand why they didn't finish the elephant more quickly. Bad judgment especially with the camera rolling. 9-The insanity of the animal rights people was clearly shown with the reaction to John Hume and the rhino. Look at what he has done for rhino. He has spent $50 million. Yet, these whack jobs took issue with him. Unbelievable. 10- It was good to see a little insight into the life of the rural African. 11- I think they did a poor job of telling the story of what hunting does for these remote areas. | |||
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Fake news? Lies? Misleading? Inaccurate? Please note that the hunters, outfitters, and guides were not being portrayed by actors using a script written by producers in Hollywood. The documentary was narrated by outfitters, guides, hunters (good, bad, or ugly), villagers, anti-poaching officers, scientists, and CEO's of ARA's. Hopefully, the documentary will serve as a wake up call (IMO). Please carry on. "WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY, AND HE IS US." DSC Life Member HSC Life Member NRA Life Member SCI RMEF | |||
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I watched a pre-release copy of it some months ago so that I could review it for a couple of magazines, and I had lunch in Harare with Shaul Schwarz and Christina Clusiau so I could get their impressions, as part of my review. Chris Moore, long a good friend, was there, and I had first heard of the project over a year ago when I was visiting Chris and writing up the Omay for African Hunter magazine. I think they did a good job with it, and it's as balanced as it could be. Face it, nobody's going to be "happy" with something like this. I also think that the hunting fraternity should support it for what it is. The whole idea is to make folks think, and I think they have been successful in that. | |||
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Agree! "In the worship of security we fling ourselves beneath the wheels of routine, and before we know it our lives are gone"--Sterling Hayden-- David Tenney US Operations Manager Trophy Game Safaris Southern Africa Tino and Amanda Erasmus www.tgsafari.co.za | |||
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