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Matt, I give you, Mr. Freeman, and/or SCI in general to copy and paste any or all correspondence I or LCTF had with them. Let the jury decide if I was ever anything but professional and polite to the kingdom of SCI. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Sorry Lane. The correct name for SCI is a "Banana Republic"  | |||
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Would that be a veiled implication that SCI Chapters are playing the 3 monkeys? They just go about their business pretending they know nothing about no one - especially those who have hit the headlines in a negative sort of way? | |||
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No I am saying that SCI should communicate these things with the Chapters better - and vice versa. There is knowledge within the Chapters that could be useful to the parent body too. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Hang on a sec - ere you trying to say that Chapter representatives are so short on common sense that they need to communicate with HQ and vice-versa? - even after the OOA issue created shit storm? | |||
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The chapters and the international organization sometimes move in different direction. There is a company that the international organization has banned from exhibiting at the convention for a period of time while a certain chapter is actively promoting this same entity. | |||
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And I would hazard a guess that someone at that chapter is seeking a higher position in SCI? Seems just like history is repeating itself! | |||
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They dont all have your deep insight ... obviously. Larry - it takes vigilance by all - doesnt take much to report it. I have reported a few that were GLARING screw-ups waiting to happen. A couple of highly illegal hunts that I can remember but the Chapter people would realise what they were. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Wow - what a leap!!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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I fail to understand how promoting a company at the chapter level that has been banned at the international or national level would be the way to successfully seek a higher position within the organization? But being active in a local chapter, I understand how wires can get crossed at times. I've posted this previously but will do so once again. Many here had issues with a company called Safrique operating in Mozambique. We at the chapter level had no idea there were problems. In fact, we thought they were top notch and even had them do the presentation at a local monthly meeting to promote their conservation model. No funny business involved but simply a situation that took some time to bring to light. Our immediate past president at the time had hunted with them 2 or 3 years prior, being the first year after they took over the concession. At that time, all was 100% and he had a great safari. Over the next couple of years, they let the operation go down hill. No one in our chapter reported any problems with them so we allowed them to continue offering hunts at the auction based solely on the past president's recommendations and lack of negative feedback from auction hunts purchased by our members. I'm sure it would be easy to accuse the past president of "salting the mine" but that simply wasn't the case. The case was things had changed without anyone being made aware of it. Once I heard of the problems, and I heard of them here on AR, I brought it up to the board, a bit of research was conducted, and we also banned them from future events. I don't know the specifics of Larry's example, but I do know these things don't always have hidden agendas like suggested here. Most times, 2+2 still equals 4, not 6 or 10!! | |||
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Todd, The chapter in question is help promoting the SAME individuals who ran Out of Africa. They are using a different name, but the same gang. The individual helping them I understand is seeking a position at headquarters. In your case, you did not know the people involved. In this case, I fail to see how anyone could possibly fail to know the individuals who were running Out of Africa! | |||
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Very well said! | |||
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Can you name ALL of these individuals, without assistance Saeed? Do you REALLY expect everyone at 100+ chapters to know their names Saeed? Even if it were advertised they would not necessarily know them. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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You missed my point. The crooks are the same individual who were running Out of Africa - there not 100s of them. Chapters are supposed to know what headquarters are doing - especially if someone got criminal charges against them. Or are you saying that major donors to SCI are routinely charged with criminal activity that when it happens no one at the chapters notice? | |||
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I would very much expect the National Office to have a direct communications link available to each Chapter and to be able to control a situation of this nature with Out of Africa immediately. This Out Of Africa operation was dirty, and allowed to continue operations it seems while someone like Mark Sullivan who has committed NO crime was cast from the Fort, Mark became too popular and some did not like his methods which is fine. Do not hunt with him, but do not silence him and try to harm him. Out of Africa and any front organization they have to represent them should be removed from the SCI, DSC and any other ethical organization. It seems that it is easy to rain on the parade of the little guy guilty of NO crime yet the real criminals seem to grease the right palm and sail right along. When things get to hot a name change and a bit more grade makes it all ok again. I am sorry but we have missed, who or what Operation is reportedly fronting for Out of Africa now? Are they still showing at the DSC & SCI or other organizations? | |||
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You missed my point... you yourself can't name the half a dozen individuals involved any more than someone at a chapter cannot even name all of them, let alone recognise them or their names .... How do you think this kind of information is communicated to the fundraiser people at the chapters - AND the future fundraiser people at the chapters? Telepathy?? Wanted posters? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Does anyone know what has happened with the petition? | |||
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As seems to be common these days, I have asked in a couple of locations, including Rudolph himself, and you do not get a reply. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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I suspect nothing is going to happen. He made his move to deflect the attention he got because they kicked him out. SCI will remain as it is today, full of hot air and proud of themselves, and doing very little useful work that they could be doing. | |||
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What attention did he really get though Saeed? I think they were happy to give him the flick and forget about him. SCI sure didnt make a Broadway musical about it. He bought the lawsuits to reinstate his 'status' and standing, it seems to me. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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That is the whole point Matt. SCI would rather leave things as they are, where some at the top are behaving no different than Robert Mugabe! And just as Mugabe is claiming, what he does is good for Zimbabwe, what SCI top honchos are doing is good for hunters. Both are far from the truth. | |||
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That SCI didn't as you say make a "Broadway Musical" as it would not have been in their best interest. What they did by keeping their mouths shut was the intelligent option though.  I wonder what rattled someone's nuts hard enough for the mob to gang up on this guy - surely they were all aware of his antics or was he just branded the black sheep in amongst the lily-white flock from one day to the next? | |||
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You are too funny Saeed... A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Didn't he do something to get launched out of the convention? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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He was just the worst of a bad lot Matt! And they did not like it! Every time something happens at SCI, the one thing that jumps into one's mind is BANANA REPUBLIC  | |||
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I think you enjoy making this stuff up!!!  A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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I haven't made anything up mate. But, I have always lived in a world where there is a definite difference between right and wrong. SCI top management seem to have lost that very simple fact. And good old Dr. Rudolph is a product of that. | |||
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Anderson was SCI President when he defended Groenwald at the illegal Leopard trophy import court case where Dawie was convicted and imprisoned. That was the shocking fact that really convinced me that SCI was totally screwed up. Regarding the chapters not knowing who the OOA crooks were - really? Is it not the responsibility of each chapter official to be up to date with the world's latest and worst poaching stories? Are chapter officials really being condoned for being ignorant of the worst rhino poaching scandal of all time and allowing those criminals at their conventions? ____________________________________ Quote : Matt Said "My understanding of this is. 1. Yes, he represented them (a lawyer I think) in some matter/s - some years before it all blew-up. ..." "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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This is a fact is it? Can you show me where this is written? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Matt All you have to do is search on AR. It was well documented and debated about the conflict of interest he had and the disrepute this would bring SCI. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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One correction - Anderson was President Elect as well as Chairman of Ethics Committee when this happened. http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/8401040431/p/1 I searched & found many threads from 3.5 years ago ........ "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I am just looking for something official like a court document that shows Anderson defended Groenewald in court over the leopard charge, as you claim. I found a ref. to a US Fed Govt document - but the link is no longer active. All I have found are some statements by Anderson about Groenwald before the trial, going back as far as 2006. I would be pleased if you could point me towarrd something official - not just internet gossip. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Matt, Just got your email with SCI documents! Bloody hell mate, if ANY of those in power followed the rules printed there, SCI would be fantastic! It seems they have been breaking those rules right, left, and center The best one was about conflict of interest!!?? How about having the PRESIDENT represent you in your crooked ways! Does that not take the cake??? | |||
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I am sure SCI hierachy would wish they had never heard of OOA. Anyhow - let's do some good Saeed!! A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Has anyone heard anything new ? | |||
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Larry, I doubt that we will. | |||
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Any news on this? | |||
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Maybe ask the President-Elect what the status of the legal action is... A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Hushed up and forgotten I suppose! Par for the course, as far as SCI is concerned! | |||
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