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07 February 2007, 06:53
Leopardtrack
Country/Area unchanged by civilization??
In today's world it is hard to believe that there are any places left in Africa that have remained pristine, like it was 500 years ago.
For those of you who have traveled throughout Africa, does such a place still exist?
I would enjoy hearing your comments!!
07 February 2007, 07:19
Andrew McLaren
You mean like capturing a ‘savage’ and making him your slave? No! Wink

You mean like getting permission from a ‘savage’ chief, and then hunting as many as you can elephants for years in that area? No! Wink

You mean that for a significant walking distance in any direction the area ‘looks’ and the animals behave as if the reply to the first two questions were “Yes!� Yes! Big Grin

There are many quite large areas in South Africa’s Kruger National Park where, if away from tourist roads, the animals will behave towards man as they did 500 years ago. But don’t climb that hill, you will see the blacktop road or power lines on the other side! thumbdown

Very much the same applies to many other southern African reserves: There are larger and smaller areas where, at least superficially, there is little evidence of civilization. Even very small areas on game ranches still look just like it did 500 years ago! WinkJust wait, can’t hear your question with that damn jet passing overhead! Mad

In good hunting.

Andrew McLaren
07 February 2007, 07:31
Leopardtrack
Yes Andrew, I get your point!! No Tarzan movies anymore!
I was thinking like parts of CAR, Congo, and Parts of Tanzania. I have never been to these places, only Namibia and Zimbabwe.....so far!
07 February 2007, 10:29
Russ Gould
The Kalahari Central Reserve, in Botswana.


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07 February 2007, 17:21
Rich Elliott
Several such areas come to mind in Ethiopia.
And some that were like that 20 years ago that are absolutely ruined today.
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07 February 2007, 17:33
dogcat
Not Africa, but the highlands in Papua New Guinea are the wildest place I ever hope to be.
People eating people live there and it has bugs that bigger enough to carry off my dog.
07 February 2007, 17:50
SGraves155
Areas with heavy tsetse fly populations, like western Tanzania, preclude much civilization. We did not see even a native village between the Kigosi River and the Moyowosi River. The only thing we saw that Stanley wouldn't
have seen in his search thru the area for Dr. Livingston back in the 1800's was that some of the honey gatherers had come in on old bicycles.


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07 February 2007, 20:01
NitroX
quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Not Africa, but the highlands in Papua New Guinea are the wildest place I ever hope to be.
People eating people live there and it has bugs that bigger enough to carry off my dog.


That's the truth for sure.

And huge population of Moluccan rusa deer on the plains in the South as well. Except the natives drove out the safari operator there years ago.

I actually find Africa quite a crowded place. Way too many people there and everywhere.


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07 February 2007, 20:09
Will
The very fact that a "uncivilized" place is "discovered" makes it by definition civilized.


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07 February 2007, 21:04
biggametv
The Kilombero region of Tanzania, IMO, definetly would qualify.


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08 February 2007, 00:11
Michael Robinson
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Selous.

20,000 plus square miles, with no villages - no permanent inhabitants at all - and no cattle or other livestock or agriculture of any kind.

Just mopane clad hills and wide sand rivers - and wild animals, including all of the big four (and even some black rhino in certain, limited areas), and plains game by the tens of thousands.


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