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Originally posted by Saeed:
And as SCI has seen the light of day and kicked him out

Saeed.....are you running a fever????

Now if Shakari comes on and says something nice about SCI I'll know the 4 horsemen cometh!!!

Brett

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Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
AR forum members,

The time has come to get to the "nut cutting" as we say here in cattle country.

Anybody that has hunted with MS is asked to post their experiences for all of us to see.

Stick to the facts and PLEASE, no more suspicion, innuendo, heresay...Just the "meat".

Who's first?!

JW

Hi Jeff, I dont think you will find the answer here your looking for my friend. I will say his clients sign a non compete contract which has some non disclosure verbiage as well. Says its for protection of his film rights. As such all you will hear is crickets on the internet from those in the know..

Sinner,

I found what I was looking for...Conversly, I have signed those NDAs myself on several occasions....I know the drill. That said, if something "really bad" had gone down an NDA does not guarantee silence in the event of some illicit activities / endangerment to said clients....NDAs have 2 sides to them as you are well aware.

Hope all is well bro, BTW.

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
Now if Shakari comes on and says something nice about SCI I'll know the 4 horsemen cometh!!! Brett

Brett,

I damn nearly cried with laughter when I read that!

So: it looks at if the End Times are here; just waiting for Shakari to summon the Four Horsemen. What was it Kurt Russell said in "Wyatt Earp": "you tell them I'm coming, and Hell's coming with me...".

So now we have some people I respect weighing in on MS, like a PH Assn, and accounts of wounded game left to die on more than one concession that MS hunted on. Add to that his videos for evidence. An unbiased person might be led to believe that MS has sold out on any personal or professional ethics for the almighty dollar.

Where are his legion (all three of you!) of rabid supporters now?

Circling the drain, along with MS.

Rich

I concur, anyone who compares Ivan Carter to MS should be horsewhipped.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
What was it Kurt Russell said in "Wyatt Earp": "you tell them I'm coming, and Hell's coming with me...".

No, no Idaho, you have erred in a big way my friend.....It was in 'Tombstone' that Kurt uttered those legendary words. Kevin Costner tried to play Kurt's role in 'Wyatt Earp'. Sorry, but I had to put the record straight - confusing those two movies is sacrilege!

Cheers, David

I guess the non-disclosure agreements also keep Mark's supporters who have hunted with him from reporting back to us.

465H&H

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No, no Idaho, you have erred in a big way my friend.....It was in 'Tombstone' that Kurt uttered those legendary words. Kevin Costner tried to play Kurt's role in 'Wyatt Earp'. Sorry, but I had to put the record straight - confusing those two movies is sacrilege!

Now I know for sure you Rhodesians are just Texans with funny accents!

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You know, is it not only MS that does the shirt grab.

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Whenever I see a PH doing a back of the shirt grab and pushing the client into position, my blood pressure sky rockets.

+1 guys!!!

465,

that, or the sheer embarrassment factor.

Rich

Ok, here is my two cents worth. I have know Mark since 1983 he and I served on the board of the Phoenix chapter of SCI together and he was VP the year I served as President. Mark was always one of the first to give his time and efferts to help out. When he had his outfit in BC, I had several friends hunt with him and had great trips. When Mark opened his operation in Africa several of the people who hunted with him in BC headed to Africa. All of them without exception have had nothing but positive feedback to me. When my first wife died Mark tried to help me out of my depression and offered for me to come spend a summer with him in Africa. I regret not taking him up on his kind offer.
I have over the years met and had dinner with Mark and his family and consider him a gentleman in all matters. I personally know over a dozen people who have hunted and will hunt again with Mark. Do I believe or agree with everything Mark says in his movies or books, no. But then again I don't agree with every thing Craig Boddington, Andy Lightbody, Bob Robb, Tony Mandile, Bill Quimby, Pete Sheply or Chuck Adams write, all of whom I am aquainted with.
Frankly I'm tired of all the back stabbing and comments from people who have never met Mark and only come up with third party 'I heard from someone else BS'

I have talked to Mark on several different occasions...

I have also talked to Allen Day on several different occasions about his hunts with Mark.

Allen had nothing but grerat things to say about Mark.

With my personal conversations with him, I came away thinking that, here is a guy that is enthraled with African hunting. It has consumed him. It is his life.

This will be hard for many to under stand, but the Danger is what fuels him IMHO.

If you watch ALL of his videos, in the order that they were filmed, then you can see how his obsession grows...

He is driven to Danger, and the excitement of DG up close...

Again this is very hard for many to understand....

I do understand HIM... Do to my former JOB, where I made several hundred entries on dope warrants, barracaded persons, hostage situations, shotgun stakeouts, etc. I can see that for Him, and those like him, that have exerienced extreme danger, and LIKED it, crave it.

I do not expect most of you to understand "IT".

As most have not experienced "IT", and most that have do not wish to repeat it...

But to paraphrase Ernest Hemingway...

Those that have experienced EXTREME DANGER and LIKED IT, NEVER CARED FOR ANYTHING ELSE..."

The original quote is:

"Those that have hunted armed men, and liked it, never cared for anything else there after"...

Well I have done that for over 30 years.... and so I "understand Mark, and his quest"...

Those of you that do not have these experiences should not judge him...

There is a big difference between shooting cape buff and elephant at 50 yards and beyond vs 12 yards and closer...

Also you must understand some of the theatricts for the camera, to make the videos dynamic.

There is a little artistic license involved, for the camera.

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Originally posted by David Hulme:

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
What was it Kurt Russell said in "Wyatt Earp": "you tell them I'm coming, and Hell's coming with me...".

No, no Idaho, you have erred in a big way my friend.....It was in 'Tombstone' that Kurt uttered those legendary words. Kevin Costner tried to play Kurt's role in 'Wyatt Earp'. Sorry, but I had to put the record straight - confusing those two movies is sacrilege!

Cheers, David

Agreed, Kevin Costner's role as Wyatt Earp in the movie "Wyatt Earp" did not hold a candle to Kurt in "Tombstone". And no one can match Kilmer as Doc Holiday. But there are occasionally inaccurate statements made here on AR.

NE450 #2,

he should join the USMC and ask to go to Iraq or Afghanistan. He can have all of that adrenaline rush he wants against real competition.

On second thought, Nahhhh! He'd have so many bullet holes from "Friendly Fire" he'd leak like a sieve. His fellow soldiers wouldn't understand his rush to glory. It gets other people killed from time to time.

From many of the substantiated reports he doesn't follow up wounded DG 100% of the time.
That causes me to consider the fact, that like a lot of bullies he makes sure the edited footage only shows him in the "hero" format.

Rich

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
I'm not terribly interested in hunting with some putz who grabs me by the back of the shirt just below the collar and arranges me -- at all.

There always seems to be a lot of back slapping going on after the hunt in his videos, and then he sits down and almost in a whisper says "tell me what you thought when you saw that buffalo, and how did you feel when he came at us, and did you see where my shot hit him, and how he acted then". Spare me that part. If you read his book "Death and Double Rifles", he tells a few stories about people who botch their shots and even one client who wanted to sleep in the tent with him cause he was scared. No names mentioned, but if you carefully reread the book and watch some of the videos, you can pretty much figure out which clients he is talking about. Still, he has some very nice concessions, and hunts some good areas. If I got a free hunt with him, I would go.

I have a solution to solve this once and for all.

If my fellow AR members will take up a collection to cover all my costs I am willing to sacrifice and go hunting DG with Mark.

I will be happy to provide a complete unbiased account of all of our hunting.

Anyone else willing to make this a 2x1 hunt?

Rich, I have talked to one other person that has hunted with Mark, and I have talked to him as well, and I do not get the impression that fear is any sort of a factor in Marks life when it comes to African DG.

You never really know, but my instinct tells me that Mark would run into a burning building to save people, and would not cower in the face of gunfire.... It is just a feeling I have, but I can say I have been around people that have done both, friends of mine, and dangerous animals seemed to scare them more than the above, baised on their viewing of my hunting videos, as well as some of them were with me when I shot the Gorilla...

Also it was common practice for Dope dealers to have BIG MEAN dogs in the Dope House, so when we made entry it would be dangerous for us...

Funny thing is, that scared some of my buddies more than people with guns....

Mark Sullivans "bravery" is not in question with me, but while there is a difference between dangerous animals and men with guns...
I would take a chance on Mark...

Sorry, 450 no 2;i thought He and Him were reserved for the Lord Almighty. My mistake. Sullivan is the Lord?

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Originally posted by David Hulme:

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
What was it Kurt Russell said in "Wyatt Earp": "you tell them I'm coming, and Hell's coming with me...".

No, no Idaho, you have erred in a big way my friend.....It was in 'Tombstone' that Kurt uttered those legendary words. Kevin Costner tried to play Kurt's role in 'Wyatt Earp'. Sorry, but I had to put the record straight - confusing those two movies is sacrilege!

Cheers, David

"Hey theya music luva!"

"Yua no daisy a-tol!"

I love it when Val Kilmer twirls the tin cup! Tombstone is sooooo much better than MS discussions! I'm hijacking! I'm hijacking! I'm hijacking!

Brett

This thread is hanging on like Granny's tooth, not that that is a bad thing.

If I remember correctly, the idea was to ferret out some poor misguided adventure seeker who had the misfortune to have hunted with that sadistic, narcisistic, egocentric wounder of great beasts.....what was his name.....oh yes, Marky Sullivan.

Now, 60 odd posts down the track we have got something that goes a bit like this....."I once knew a guy that used to live next door to a fellow that was married to the cousin of the man that used to cut Marky's hair when he was in 6th grade, which was a couple of years before he had an unnatural experience with the school priest,(not uncommon, I am told). This encounter, unfortunately, had a profound effect on his psyche and turned him into an animal hating monster. He started on this henous path of animal torture by pulling the legs off insects and gradually worked his way up through sundry neighbourhood pets, to shooting the balls off Cape Buffs and various other fearful creatures in the Dark Continent. Some would say he has come a long way.

Now, back to the point, who has hunted with him??????

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:

quote:

Originally posted by David Hulme:

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
What was it Kurt Russell said in "Wyatt Earp": "you tell them I'm coming, and Hell's coming with me...".

No, no Idaho, you have erred in a big way my friend.....It was in 'Tombstone' that Kurt uttered those legendary words. Kevin Costner tried to play Kurt's role in 'Wyatt Earp'. Sorry, but I had to put the record straight - confusing those two movies is sacrilege!

Cheers, David

"Hey theya music luva!"

"Yua no daisy a-tol!"

I love it when Val Kilmer twirls the tin cup! Tombstone is sooooo much better than MS discussions! I'm hijacking! I'm hijacking! I'm hijacking!

Brett

Worthy hijack indeed. Do you think we could start a 'Tombstone' forum?

What did Mark Sullivan say to the big, bad buff?
'I'll be your huckleberry.'

I have no concrete proof that he did say this, of course, just assumption.

Dave

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Originally posted by David Hulme:

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:

quote:

Originally posted by David Hulme:

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
What was it Kurt Russell said in "Wyatt Earp": "you tell them I'm coming, and Hell's coming with me...".

No, no Idaho, you have erred in a big way my friend.....It was in 'Tombstone' that Kurt uttered those legendary words. Kevin Costner tried to play Kurt's role in 'Wyatt Earp'. Sorry, but I had to put the record straight - confusing those two movies is sacrilege!

Cheers, David

"Hey theya music luva!"

"Yua no daisy a-tol!"

I love it when Val Kilmer twirls the tin cup! Tombstone is sooooo much better than MS discussions! I'm hijacking! I'm hijacking! I'm hijacking!

Brett

Worthy hijack indeed. Do you think we could start a 'Tombstone' forum?

What did Mark Sullivan say to the big, bad buff?
'I'll be your huckleberry.'

I have no concrete proof that he did say this, of course, just assumption.

Dave

Amen David! Amen! "I'm an oak alright!" I'll second the Tumbstone forum!

Brett

Hmmm...
Perhaps a new film version of "The Most Dangerous Game" with MS as Count Zaroff.
Ideas on who to play Sanger Rainsford and Ivan?

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Originally posted by RBHunt:

quote:

Originally posted by David Hulme:

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
What was it Kurt Russell said in "Wyatt Earp": "you tell them I'm coming, and Hell's coming with me...".

No, no Idaho, you have erred in a big way my friend.....It was in 'Tombstone' that Kurt uttered those legendary words. Kevin Costner tried to play Kurt's role in 'Wyatt Earp'. Sorry, but I had to put the record straight - confusing those two movies is sacrilege!

Cheers, David

Agreed, Kevin Costner's role as Wyatt Earp in the movie "Wyatt Earp" did not hold a candle to Kurt in "Tombstone". And no one can match Kilmer as Doc Holiday. But there are occasionally inaccurate statements made here on AR.

I'm your huckleberry...

Also really enjoyed Kilmer in Comanche Moon.

What a talent.

The sideshow exists to buy time for the MS experienced clients to formulate their responses.
So, in a bid to buy time with regards to shirt pulling- once I saw/heard my PH get excited, it is the client's job to push into the proper shooting spot. . . I know Wemmer doesn't wait to be invited to shoot! First client to the feeding trough. I was amazed how many times 3-5 feet made for a clear(er) shot.

Your humble servant, not feeding off the hind tit,
Lee

John Frederick,

I'm beginning to like your style son, keep going. I can say "Son" because I'm sixty now, and everybody under forty is "Son".

My abject apologies about Tombstone. Did any of you by chance get a copy of the book written about the firearms and leather gear of the movie?
In my defense I can only say that I am trying to read Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" and my brain is too full...

Rich

Rich - Maybe your brain is too small? Sorry man, couldn't resist that one. Read on.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
John Frederick,

I'm beginning to like your style son, keep going. I can say "Son" because I'm sixty now, and everybody under forty is "Son".

My abject apologies about Tombstone. Did any of you by chance get a copy of the book written about the firearms and leather gear of the movie?
In my defense I can only say that I am trying to read Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" and my brain is too full...

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
John Frederick,

I'm beginning to like your style son, keep going. I can say "Son" because I'm sixty now, and everybody under forty is "Son".

My abject apologies about Tombstone. Did any of you by chance get a copy of the book written about the firearms and leather gear of the movie?
In my defense I can only say that I am trying to read Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" and my brain is too full...

Rich

Dear Mr. Shooter,
I havn't got a problem at all old boy, with you calling me son, but I will say that the difference in our ages is about 3 years, I won't tell you who is the oldest, gotta have some secrets.

I too have read the Hawking book, I think it scrambled part, (maybe all) of my brain permanently.

These cosmologists talk about grey and dark matter, I think my grey matter is disappearing at an exponential rate.

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You never really know, but my instinct tells me that Mark would run into a burning building to save people.......

That may well be true, but........to carry that analogy further---what if a person were to go around setting fire to buildings and then run in to save the people and carry them to safety while the cameras were rolling?

Still no first hand report....

Any one know what were Marks 700 H+H double rifle went ??? or why he was trying to sell it last year ??

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:

"Hey theya music luva!"

"Yua no daisy a-tol!"

I love it when Val Kilmer twirls the tin cup! Tombstone is sooooo much better than MS discussions! I'm hijacking! I'm hijacking! I'm hijacking!

Brett

I really like the part where Holliday and Ringo exchange Latin phrases.

Doc "In vino veritas" - In wine is truth.

Ringo "Age quod agis" - Do what you do best.

Ringo (pats his gun) Eventus stultrum magister" - Events are the teachers of fools.

Doc "In pace requiescat." - Rest in peace.

Doc to Kate "Evidently Mr. Ringo's an educated man. Now I really hate him."

I surrender. The first prevaricator/raconteur never stands a chance in one of these deals...

Rich


Still no pro-MS post?

Or we could start a Lonesome Dove forum -

Woodrow Call referring to the Hat Creek Cattle Company sign:

Woodrow Call " Well, what does it say in Latin? For all you know it invites people to rob us."

Gus McCrae " Well the first man comes along that can read Latin is welcome to rob us, far as I'm concerned. I'd like a chance to shoot at a educated man once in my life."



Just filling space until the MS hunters show up.

Alright, I'll stick my 2 cents in here. I just recently watched Appaloosa for the 1st time and must say Everett was great. A loyal friend with a mean ass 8 gauge shotgun. Great show.
Scott

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Originally posted by HAY-MAN:
Alright, I'll stick my 2 cents in here. I just recently watched Appaloosa for the 1st time and must say Everett was great. A loyal friend with a mean ass 8 gauge shotgun. Great show.
Scott

Appaloosa was good as recent western, however, Russel Crowe was fantastic as the role of "Ben Wade" in "3:10 to Yuma"! This was actually a remake of the 1950's film where Glenn Ford played Ben Wade. Wade referred to his gun as the "Hand of God", and the grip was inlaid with a gold Crucifix. Ben Wade claimed in the movie that he actually read the bible from cover to cover in 3 days at the age of 8. 3:10 to Yuma was actually filmed right outside of Santa Fe New Mexico. When I was out visiting the Plaza in Santa Fe last year, one of the local jewelers who has a shop there, was the one who was hired to cast the gold Crusifix for the gun stock. He was requested to make three sets for the movie.

Stop. Right now.

A Mark Sullivan thread just morphed into a classic Western movie thread.

Idaho, this is all your fault.

I like Peter Capstick

I hunted with Him multiple times, one was even a "family safari", which included my 93 year old grandmother, and my 2 and 3 year old grand children. At all times He was a perfect gentleman and took time to see we all had a good time. Grandma even got to shoot an ardvark! So what's the problem? (I also booked a 3 week buffalo hunt with Him at the 2010 Safari Club International Convention).