Just seeing that again forces me to pour another Martini....

Folks,

This issue was discussed earlier but I can't find the thread now. My friend in CBP checked with his supervisor in Denver and with DC. There is no widespread requirement for any type of export permit for your rifles. You only need a 4457.

Mark

I'm still having another Martini :-)

the now "recurring" problem
is many of us fly out of DFW----

this "isolated" "rogue" behavior is reminiscent
of Lois Lerner, James Comey, et al

someone Here @ DFW CBP needs a "talikin to"
from Senators and House rep's
maybe even a President

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:
the now "recurring" problem
is many of us fly out of DFW----

this "isolated" "rogue" behavior is reminiscent
of Lois Lerner, James Comey, et al

someone Here @ DFW CBP needs a "talikin to"
from Senators and House rep's
maybe even a President

It is disheartening... I would have expected this at Kennedy or Seattle or LAX long before I would have ever guessed an airport in TEXAS!

We're counting on you Texans to help us hold the line....

My big question is IF this policy isn't postponed again or eliminated all together, how long before is spreads from DFW to other major airports? Going to be a crazy 2020 with things like this popping up all willy nilly.

Fucking government is all I have to say about it

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
Fucking government is all I have to say about it

Now thats a quote

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Folks,

This issue was discussed earlier but I can't find the thread now. My friend in CBP checked with his supervisor in Denver and with DC. There is no widespread requirement for any type of export permit for your rifles. You only need a 4457.

Mark

This is the thread from 2015 when this happened a week before our departure.

Jim & Joyce

The important thing to remember is that the mindset of the CBP supervisory personnel at a given location is more important than the geographical location of the airport. I had my TuffPak broken into in both Atlanta, Ga., and Austin, Tx. The agent in Juneau, Ak. stopped just shy of a body cavity search. The agents at LAX have been no problem at all. I am nearly certain that the agents causing all the trouble at DFW are not true Texans.

The NRA is on this.

Good to hear, hopefully they can get it sorted sooner than later.

New member long time lurker. We leave for Romania October 1st out of DFW. I was very interested in ITN # with customs. Called Fred with TWG. Sent him our 4457’s we got at Shreveport,La. Fred sent our info to customs at DFW and the next day we received our ITN #. So our experience was very easy to get #. Big shout out to Fred at TWG! Randy

People,

Randy just gave you a perfect example of why you use a travel agent experienced in the safari biz like TWG or Gracy. They have the people and the resources to handle the unexpected. What would Randy have done if he'd made his arrangements via Travelocity or similiar Internet travel sites?

Mark

Just came through Atlanta customs Thursday. The CBP guys were courteous and quick. I was in and out with nothing more than a quick serial number check. No boot dipping, no questions about where my wife was. I have only passed through Atlanta 3 times with firearms, none of them were bad, but this was the easiest. Also the customs guys at the counter, after you do the kiosk, were funny as hell when I put a bottle of Scotch on the counter still in the duty free bag. We were all joking so much they never even asked if I had anything to declare, nor did they go through our carry on's. I have always found if you come up to these folks and start with a "Hello, how are you" it always seems to smooth things out.There was no mention of a temporary export number or paperwork.

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:
Just came through Atlanta customs Thursday. The CBP guys were courteous and quick. I was in and out with nothing more than a quick serial number check. No boot dipping, no questions about where my wife was. I have only passed through Atlanta 3 times with firearms, none of them were bad, but this was the easiest. Also the customs guys at the counter, after you do the kiosk, were funny as hell when I put a bottle of Scotch on the counter still in the duty free bag. We were all joking so much they never even asked if I had anything to declare, nor did they go through our carry on's. I have always found if you come up to these folks and start with a "Hello, how are you" it always seems to smooth things out.

You are so right!! Just amazing how well smiles and courtesy work!

I have hunted Africa 14 times Argentina 3 Canada 3 times where I have taken my own fire arm . I do not know of an international hunter who does not want to comply with all reasonable regulations including any new ENT regulations it is part of the hassle that you put up with. The problem navigating through the bureaucracy to obtain the right document that passes muster with CBC. All of this talk on how to get the proper document makes my head swim. And introduces another level of uncertainly in going on an international hunt with your own fire arm. Most hunters I know want to bring their own fire arm one that they are familial with especially on a dangerous game hunt, and for many it is a deal breaker if they cannot

My nightmare would to arrive at the airport with documents that you believe meet the requirements and have the TSA guy or CDC person tell you you cannot take your fire arm 2 hours before your flight leaves. Not giving you time to take it home and make the flight . A great way to destroy a $20,000 safari.

That is another reason to use a guy like Steve with TWG to do the paperwork. To take the uncertainty out of your trip.

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That is another reason to use a guy like Steve with TWG to do the paperwork. To take the uncertainty out of your trip.

Can't be better said than that!

As much as our short term focus must be on how to comply with these regulations, we must also focus longer term on doing whatever it may take to repeal them.

Requiring sportsmen traveling with hunting rifles to jump through hoops like these is ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
As much as our short term focus must be on how to comply with these regulations, we must also focus longer term on doing whatever it may take to repeal them.

Requiring sportsmen traveling with hunting rifles to jump through hoops like these is ridiculous.

100% Agree

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
As much as our short term focus must be on how to comply with these regulations, we must also focus longer term on doing whatever it may take to repeal them.

Requiring sportsmen traveling with hunting rifles to jump through hoops like these is ridiculous.

100% Agree

+1 more

+2

Wanted to bump this to the top to see if any other hunters have had issues at DFW?

We came back thru DFW yesterday and I will post later tonight our experience and what I learned from CBP

We arrived back at DFW Friday evening on Qatar airlines (I'll post some info regarding the airline on the travel forum)and upon arriving at global entry, as soon as I touched the screen at Global Entry, the machine prompted me to push the button to take a photo (i hadn't put my passport in the machine yet. I pushed the button and it took a phot and spit out a customs form with a big "X" on it. The X means secondary CBP inspection, apparently. The first CBP Officer quickly put our passports in a plastic container and told us to go to exit C-2 after claiming baggage. There was no porter involved this time, as there was in July. We went to the secondary inspection area (where they check 4457's and xray baggage and when we made it to the head of the line, the officer called me by name to his station. I asked how he knew who I was and he replied, facial recognition...he told me they knew when I walked off of the plane and into Global Entry and said the airlines are required to notify CBP of all passengers carrying firearms so CBP was aware that I had checked a firearm. He quickly checked my firearm and did not want to xray or search my luggage, didn't even ask if we were carrying food or bought anything overseas. I spoke with him a couple of minutes and related my experience leaving DFW, how two other hunters on the flight were questioned about their firearms but I wasnt, he didn't offer a reason for that but did tell me that the airlines report when firearms are being checked as luggage and that(I imagine this includes serial numbers, I know Qatar and Emirates require you to give serial numbers) photos are captured of the individual checking the firearm.
This turn of events brings up another issue, I know of several guys that have carried rifles to Africa for PH friends or have "forgotten" to bring a rifle back, I asked about that scenario and was told that exported firearms must return with the person who took it out of the country or the individual needs either a police report stating the firearm was lost/stolen or a really believable excuse. This would fit in with what I was told about firearms leaving DFW but not returning and I suppose there could be some penalties involved. He made no mention of this practice being implemented at other airports, but I bet it spreads.

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The first CBP Officer quickly put our passports in a plastic container

For some reason this part really annoyed me.

Thank you for your update Mr. Evans. Larry Shores posted the NRA was looking into it. Is there any update on that end?

On a better note, who was the hunting?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Thank you for your update Nr. Evans. Larry Shore’s posted the NRA was looking into it. Is there any update on that end?

On a better note, who was the hunting?

Larry is currently hnting in Alaska, I'll WhatsApp him but doubt he has service (or might not want to reply ), I have contacts at the NRA and will give one of them a call in the morning and see if he is aware of anything happening.

I hunted in Mozambique with Zambezi Delta Safaris, really a good time.

Don’t worry with contacting Mr. Shores. He will report when he gets back and knows something.

Congratulations. Glad the travel was relatively smooth and the hunting better.

3 of us came back through Houston last week with rifles. Business as usual. Showed 4457's and was whisked right on through. Took about 10 minutes total for all 3 of us.

Glad Houston is working well - have a few more days until departure from DFW, hoping all is smooth there.

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:

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The first CBP Officer quickly put our passports in a plastic container

For some reason this part really annoyed me.

They use the Plastic box at Dulles as well.. When I stepped up to the Customs & Immigration counter yesterday upon return, I told the CBP agent I was transporting a firearm and he said OK and slipped my passport into the plastic box and instructed me to follow the red line to the secondary check area. The airlines is notified to gather my luggage and bring it to the secondary area. All in all - very easy, very organized.. Hard to have any complaints.. They checked my 4457 but would have no way to know what the serial number of the rifle I took out was since my case was not opened nor was the 4457 looked at check in..

Now if SAPs reported it to US officials, then there would be a "chain of custody" so to speak but that would have been the only way.. CBP knew that serial number belongs to me since I have a 4457 but no idea that serial number left the USA with me two weeks ago....

Karl, was the whole EEI and EIN not an issue for you?

Unfortunately, I am heading back early.

The NRA says this will happen in some form or fashion . They think it is a good thing believe it or not.

Many countries want some form of gun permit from the country of export. This solves that issue according to the NRA. I am also told that this is at least partially coming about as a result of those who took guns and left them. Our government does not like that .

The program needs to be separate from EEI/EIN as has been discussed individuals cannot comply with EEI/EIN as it is currently designed. Design something we can comply with, and I will be glad to do so.

What they are trying to do is not workable.

As for the NRA thinking it is a good thing. I fear the NRA is giving this Administration too much rope. More rope than they would give a democrat.As I say that, I am mindful of picking ones battles.

I have only been twice, but never has my passport been taken and put in a plastic box. I wonder what will happen this time? Two weeks tell I leave.

Mr. Shores thank you, safe travel home and be well.

Recognizing this is a moving target, but is it expected to impact only air travel, or will it eventually dribble down to border crossings with Canada and Mexico?

Squeezenhope. The Regs and specific statue as written today excludes Canada. It does not exclude Mexico.

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Originally posted by Custom:
Karl, was the whole EEI and EIN not an issue for you?

No, it was not. The CBP officer explained that they are in the process of going all digital, meaning no "hard" 4457 in the near future. He told me that all airlines are required to notify CBP of all passengers checking in firearms (photo is taken, too)and when you return the outbound list and the inbound list is cross checked by their computer, so I suppose thy know if you left with a firearm but didn't bring one back. There are talks regarding an "exemption" for those taking less than a certain number of firearms per year, hopefully something will be worked out, but I'm certain it will spread beyond DFW. Had to start someplace.

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I have only been twice, but never has my passport been taken and put in a plastic box. I wonder what will happen this time? Two weeks tell I leave.

Smile for the photo when you check in , if you happen to be leaving thru DFW I suspect you might get to visit with a CBP officer at the gate. And I'd bet a steak dinner yur passport is placed in the plastic box (with a tracker on it, too).
Good luck, I hope none of that happens to you.

I didn't even have firearms and I got the plastic box etc. I had planed to take them and didn't because of the way they treated me when I needed new 4457s. Nonetheless I was repeatedly singled out, questioned, pulled out of line, etc. Apparently the word never got through that i was not carrying anything even though the travel agent was supposed to tell them and I made repeated requests to get the record straight.