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Well said ZF and well worth repeating. Originally posted by Nakihunter: "How long did it take the Western Europeans to come out of the dark ages? " We ALL started out the same out of the chalks ace, some of us just ran faster than others, invented among other things the wheel, penicillin, electricity you get my drift. Do yourself a favor and read "The Bell Curve" then come back and discuss. Just for the record, (rhetorical question); name ONE country that has improved since de-colonization/"white" rule. Answer: NONE. Remember Equatorial Africa was a place where the WHEEL (arguably man's greatest invention) was unknown until the first Europeans introduced it in the 1600s. Reality is not always PC. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
A similar offer was extended by both S.Africa and Australia during the same period - the main aim of the exercise was to import expertise in various fields: engineering, construction, education, medicine, etc. (replenishing the brain drain) - nationality was certainly not limited to being British but preference was given to European nationalities. Among the requirements was an age limit, and the acceptance of change in citizenship; after all here was a country that was inviting you to take up permanent residence, transport, accommodation and medical cover were being provided, work was guaranteed to you and any of your family members, education was also provided FOC to the younger members of those aspiring families of whom I knew several who took up this invitation - my parents received a similar invitation but my father was content with the deal the British govt. had offered him post-war and rescinded the SA offer. The expenses undertaken by the host govts. were considered as "grants" and the beneficiary was under no obligation to make restitution nor was the head of the family obliged to pay "income tax" for the first 3 years - quite a deal! One is therefore inclined to agree that in part the successful growth of these three countries (SA.AUS.NZ) is attributable to this particular scheme which indeed took place in the late 60's/early 70's - can you imagine what they might be today if this scheme had not taken off? Yes transport in those days was almost exclusively by ship - the airline industry as we know it today was still in its early phase and there were no African airlines as such - DC3 and DC4 were the aircraft used for "international flights" from UK to Nairobi or Dar es Salaam - such flights took several days "hedge-hopping" their way to their destinations  All internal transport was exclusively by bus and railway, the latter having being introduced and subsidized by the colonial invaders. So Ashokbhai, if it were not for the involvement of "colonial imperialists" where would the Third World countries be today? | |||
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Gorge... As mentioned earlier in this thread. Read Michael Levin "Why Race Matters". It's "The Bell Curve" on steroids with a vast amount of quality data from many sources carefully explained by a very bright guy. It's occasionally painful and certainly not "PC" but it is very hard to argue with the basic data as well as the conclusions Levin draws therefrom. | |||
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IT'S NOT HARD TO ARGUE WITH THE BASIC DATA AT ALL- naki has been doing just that since this thread started. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Thanks for the tip Duck, I'll see if I can find a copy. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Actually my ancestors have been looking down(from Norway) on your ancestors since the beginning of time. In fact, judging by your capitalization, punctuation and spelling you guys might not be quite as advanced as you like to believe. But is all seriousness do you believe that, throughout history, our ancestors living on the North Sea have always been the most advanced people of their time?
That was also said in jest as not too many people in the Middle-East have blond hair and blue eyes. But for some reason a lot of our paintings and books depict Jesus as a blond-haired and blue-eyed with milky white skin. I wonder why that would be the case????  Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Come on Jason. They have been sitting in Africa for a million years. No written language, cannibalism, you name it. I'd call that not as advanced as other races.  ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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BINGO. And ZERO evidence of written language as we know it. Sorry but pictograms don't count. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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That really depends on the language you chose, we could proberly continue to do this in danish, norweigan, swedish. you know the main language before it were currupted into english 
now that question is loaded, how do you define most, as in all the time, off course not. but we have allways been oppertunistic enough to actually get the best out of most situations, if you actually study the history of the nordic people you might be suppriced. but this is not about nordic countrys, this is actually about africa. best peter P.S untill you can actually comunicate in my langauge better than i do in yours, you should not point fingers | |||
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I hope you know that know that I was only giving you a hard time, and didn't mean to offend. Here in the US we are lucky if we can understand more than a few words in foreign languages, much less read and write in them. I'm glad to see that most everyone still has a sense of humor in this thread. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Some of you guys are actually starting to get my point without realising it. This is what I said at the beginning 1. yes African society is corrupt and violent BUT don't just blame ONLY the black. Also recognise the other influences of history such as Colonialism 2. So not deny the impact of colonialism 3. yes blacks need to take responsibility for their actions. So do colonials & neo-colonials. 4. yes blacks need to take initiative and be motivated. Yes blacks need to get out of the rut. So do other ethnic groups who are into institutionalised corruption and white collar crime. There are many countries which were former colonies that are better off today than during colonialism - India, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Egypt, Korea, Indonesia, Brazil, Argentina, Thailand, Mauritius and many more. Give Africa another 30 years and you will see some good examples. Just because someone goes to Africa and hunts each year and spends $15k each time does not make that person an expert on African economic development or a moral giant. Spend a lifetime in service and that might count or adopt a few kids and live a life committed to making a difference and it might count. My personal view is that adoption is actually not a charity but a blessing and an opportunity and obligation. It is a responsibility and a commitment. Regarding experts...take a look at some classical schools of thought from thinkers such as Emile Durkheim and Max Weber. Many great modern scholars have followed such classical writers and developed new ideas and new research. The reason I refer to these is that the classics are based on sound fundamental methodology of research and logical analysis and conclusions. The subject is defined carefully to eliminate as much bias as possible and deliberate effort is made to identify the core objective issues before even the debate begins. Methods of data collection, observation, vetting etc. are determined at the beginning. Many modern writers have lost the foundations of basic research & logic and get caught between selective analysis, partial evidence, and opinion. This thread is a classic example - facts are not agreed upon, paradigms are not understood, value judgments are mixed up with emotion and then claimed to be absolutely valid conclusions. Fox News and its team have been guilty of changing the face of investigative reporting to opinion and entertainment based media heist. As a result of such changes in "rules of debate" we tend to argue about arguments rather than address the core issues. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Fox News have changed the face of investigative reporting to opinion?? Yeah,They are fair and dont run just the liberal/socialist line . I do wonder what you will use as "facts" in comparing cultures-you surely dont seem to want to use material wealth or personal freedom and equity. Methinks you are working backward from a predetermined conclusion. SSR | |||
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Man you couldn't be more wrong. The countries you mentioned as being better off w/o colonialism are EVERYWHERE but in equatorial Africa and they've been independent for generations. If your posit is correct (and it isn't),countries like Liberia who've been independent for over a century would surely have caught up by mow. You mention Mauritius, well they obtained their independence AFTER say Nigeria and look where they are now? The core issues are that ten thousand years ago we all started wearing loincloths and chucking spears. Fas forward to today and where is Africa were it not for the "evils" of colonialism? HINT: wearing and shooting same. Life ain't PC but there it is. Last I checked we put a man on the moon and you get my drift. On second thought, I don't think you do. The BEST THING that happened to Africa and for that matter ALL of the countries you mention was colonialism. Just ask yourself, "where would ALL these countries be WITHOUT colonialism? India would be a patchwork of over 300 pricipalities and Rahjs, full of religious strife between the muslims, hindus, sikhs, what have you, no infrastructure, nothing and perhaps most important of all, no common language. Even the most hated anti-colonialist of all, Ghandi and least recognized what the Brits gave them that allowed them to unite, the English language. You need a dose of reality my friend, there's a reason why the europeans colonized the world and not the other way around. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Great post, Jorge.. I (along with many others on the site) feel the exact same way. Thanks for putting it into words for all of us! Naki on the other hand, likes to piss down one's neck and then tell them its raining. | |||
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I just read a summary of the book "Why Race matters" and it is cetainly quite potent in its conclusions, however what I want to say is this: Naki you are the ONLY person on this thread that keeps on bringing up the white/black thing. You insist on putting words in peoples mouths by implying that we are saying blacks=bad and whites=good. You will notice that on most of the threads by the guys from Zim and SA that we think of ourselves as Africans first not white people living in Africa. As for our governments, most of us dont care what colour the people in charge are, its not about that, just do the job properly and STOP blaming US for their continued failures and STOP trying to get rid of us! I like to look at it this way: Japan: Had 2 atomic bombs dropped on them, not too long ago, but look at what they have been able to achieve. Zimbabwe: Handed over on a silver platter as one of the leading agricultural nations on earth. Run into the ground in about 10 years by a politician because of his hatred for the whites, then once at rock bottom, sit around blaming everyone else asking for more money. Its all about attitudes and if you came to this continent it would not take you very long to see what we are talking about. | |||
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Vans, I presume you can read English well and understand it well too. Just go back to the beginning and see how many people have insulted black Africans and non-white ethnic groups in general. Jorge, your understanding of Colonialism in India is very flawed. The English actually learned administration from the ancient "Asiatic mode of production". Various Indian states had traditional village and provincial administration systems with land records and family records. Temples had local records and English churches started keeping similar records of the local community. In fact the skills and capabilities of the Indian "Babus" were so well appreciated that they were exported to other colonies like Malaya, Burma, Ceylon Kenya, Uganda, Caribbean, etc. The role of the Indian "Babus" in the expansion of the British Empire is not well understood. Yes the English language was a major factor in unifying India but that is a modern result and not a colonial plan or policy. The British did not directly rule a very large part of India but only the strategic ports and associated provinces. They ruled the rest of India by proxy through local Rajas and Nawabs - often using a muslim ruler in a hindu majority region etc. Today India is the largest English speaking country in the world. Jorge, You need to read up more on communal and religious conflict in India. The Sikhs were not involved in many communal conflict until the late 1970s and early 80s. This was a result of modern political conflict between the party of the Sikhs and the Congress party of Indira Gandhi. The conflict between muslims and hindus was actually encouraged and polarised by the "divide and rule" policy of the British. The partition of Punjab and Bengal was the historic tragedy that lead to more bloodshed. The millions who died during partition of India in 1947 were forgotten by history and hidden from public awareness as the British did not want it to reflect on their image. It was an official policy of the British to encourage the locals to fight each other. This is found in British records and British history. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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i do jason, and actually i do enjoy it, my point allthough not coming through clearly was that our languages actualy decent from the same language, so your ancestors were actually were very advanced since they left a way of comunicating that is globally represented best peter | |||
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Thanks, Scotty. I did a lot of research and studying on colonial rule in year's past and there is no doubt as to what I say regarding the postive impacts of colonialism in Sub-Saharan Africa and for the most part everywhere else. Naki, I now the PC thing nowadays is to label facts under the term "racist" in an attempt to discredit but sorry the facts are there for all to see. While you tried to focus and misdirect the issue on some alledged "holes" in my Indian posit (some which have merit), your take on the Indians teaching the Brits colonial administration is just not altoghether factual. While the Brits did learn and apply lessons from a lot of their colonials, the British Civil Colonial Service was highly developed and organized long before they took total control from private enterprised like the East India Company and others. Sure they purposely keot the 300-odd pricipalities apart as part of a governing strategy but in the end, it was what the Indians learned from the Brits that enabled them to run their own country. Obviously you've nver been there for if you had, the British influence in many aspects of everyday Indian governance and civil administration is prevalent. Still, there is NO denying it was the Brits that built up the infrastructure of the country and of course the language, not to mention laying the groundwork for their current system of government. But the nexus of this discussion is not the British Raj, but rather the total and complete failure of Sub-Saharan Africa to build or improve upon what colonial rule did; UNLIKE many of the other countries you mentioned that DID so. In virtually every country, Rhodesia, RSA and now Namibia as prime examples, progress has either stopped or things have significantly regressed, while in other coutries-just as you alluded to- the native population has improved on the foundations of colonialism. These are proven, measurable and accurate facts and no amount of PC wannabe bullshit feel good historical revisionism is going to alter that. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Jorge add Kenya to the list of failures since (Independence) and I use the word independence as a joke since they have had there hand out for free money in larger and larger amounts every year. while the GNP drops like a rock | |||
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dr: I consider Kenya in the same boat as the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa and of course Ethiopia (with a long history of independence to the late 1930s when the Italians colonized it) and of course that "Garden Spot" of self-governance, Somalia (yet another African nation where european influence is non-existent and they've reverted back to practically the stone age). I continue to be amazed (well not really) at how seemingly educated people continue to sacrifice truth and facts at the altar of political correctness. Cheers, jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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 you are right on all count!! hope to meet you if you are in Dallas next week. If you are there look me up we may open this subject up on the radio broadcast for a short segment. if you can't be in dallas check out the live broadcast. here are the web streaming detailsHigh Caliber Radio can be heard online Fridays at 1pm cst at www.fortsmithradiogroup.com just click the KFPW1230 icon. On Sundays at 9am by clicking the Sports Hog 103.1 icon and Sundays at 5pm by clicking the KFPW1230 icon. | |||
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I'm there Wed-Monday and I'll surely stop by the AR room many times. I'd love to talk to you some more about this. USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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looking forward to it see ya there | |||
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Jorge, Your below comment marked in Bold Red is absolute fiction! It is not even as Cinderella fairy tale! You have a lot of facts wrong. Many members of my family worked in the British system and some were involved in the Indian freedom movement. One grandfather was even honoured with a title by the British. I lived for many years in that system and know many variations of it found all around the country. I personally worked in one of the classic British Raj systems - the Tea Plantations of Assam - with the first managing agents of the EIC - James Warren & Co. The fact is that the British went to India after the Portuguese, Dutch and the French - around 1640. When they went there, the Indian subcontinent was ruled by the Moghul Empire which was a very large one extending from parts of today's Afghanistan into parts of South India. The Moghuls had the use of muskets (which the British dids not) and also the Recurve bow which completely foxed the British with their power & ability to shoot arrows through Chain mail and other armour! This was shown on History channel & BBC. The Moghul administration of that period was far more advanced than the British system, who were still coming out of the dark ages. The British then stuck to trade and then usurped political power by their Divide & Rule policy over a period of time. It was the industrial revolution which gave the British a upper hand with low cost production and cheap goods that were then exported to India and destroyed the traditional industries like weaving and other artisan based trades. This lead to huge unemployment of entire trades across whole provinces & unemployed people flocked to the cities (similar to what happened in Britain when the feudal system was abolished). Indian administration in its various forms going back over 2000 years has been recognised by Western scholars. Read about the Maurya Empire of the 3rd to 1st century BC. Buddhism religion started around that time and was propagated by one emperor who sent his children as missionaries to Ceylon, Thailand and the Far East. This was long before the British even had a sound written language widely in use. All this info is available in History written by the British. The Germans have done a lot of research as they have a deep interest in their Aryan links with the Sanskrit language. Check out Max Muller and the traditions of research that followed him. During the 16th century India & China held more than 70% of world trade according to modern scholars. Regarding sub-Saharan Africa. You are repeating the facts that I have already mentioned. You are just denying the role of Colonialism and its impact, including neo-colonialism. How much of the modern Diamond & gold (and other mining) revenue was spent on the locals & by the locals over the last 100 years? I still enjoy the balanced nature of your debate though many of your facts need correction.
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History bears out differently considering former Brit colonies were left with a much superior infrastructure, laws and governance than the rest. But nice try and deflecting off the subject at hand, that being former Sub-Saharan African colonies and their horrible track record after the europeans left. Keep dreaming. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Jorge, you are missing the point. I am not denying the superior infrastructure that was left behind. You are missing the fact that this infrastructure was geared for supporting colonialism and not the locals. What infrastructure was established to help the locals adapt from tribal to modern way of life? What infrastructures was set up to help in the transition to independence? Your evaluation of the "superior infrastructure" is from a colonial perspective which was good for the colonials and NOT for the tribal locals. You along with many others are failing to appreciate the paradigm shift. I wish someone will get the point & try to answer my earlier question "How long does it take a tribal society to adapt and evolve into a successful modern one?" "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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There where plenty of missionary schools (Colonial infrastructure for the education of the natives) around then, unfortunately teaching the likes of Mugabe. The Colonials also allowed the great "Mahatma" to learn Law in England. Just two examples of a job at hand with simply not enough time. | |||
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What, they can't use the roads and buolding they left behind? give me a break. In the case of the Africans, they still haven't broken that code. When we were living in a tribal society, so were they. Fast Forward ten thousand years and we have cell phones and they are still using drums. A quick story to further illustrate. A friend of mine who posts here from time to time and a PH in South Africa, went to the trouble and expense of building windows that opened and screens for his staff as well as wooden doors that latch to keep vermin out. Whilst he was away in the States where he lives during the off season, the "staff" hacked off all the window frames and doors to use for cooking wood when all they had to do was walk maybe an extra FIVE yards where a limitless supply of mopane lies. If that little tid-bit doesn't drive home the point, I'm obviously wasting my time. I doubt you will but you should read the two books recommended on this thread. USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Man...this is a waste of time & effort trying to make you guys understand paradigm shift..... Gandhi was not educated in the British system out of charity. he and other Indian leaders got their education despite the British system that was geared to propagate colonialism and not train native leaders. Gandhi was in prison for over a decade - incarcerated because he fought nonviolently for human rights and against colonial oppression. Just look at the whole scenario and not just convenient bits. Yes I am well aware of the mind set of tribal people who can chop up doors to cook their food. I am also aware of them cutting out phone & Telex cables to tie up parcels to shipped. Then we wondered why the phones were not working. Such anecdotes are not unique to Africa or to tribal societies. Similarly there are still many people around with a colonial mindset who want such tribals to stay where they are. There are many instances in some of these former colonies where in managers in the private sector deliberately employ substandard local staff and set them up to fail. This is not difficult to verify from expats around the world. then there are still those around who are in denial! ...I am going on holiday now... "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Once the "Bread basket" of Africa, the following says it all: "During the worst of Zimbabwe's economic meltdown and hyperinflation, Zimbabwe's highest money denominations were logged at 10 to the power of 25 — 10 followed by 25 zeros. The central bank then sliced off several zeros, but large transactions were still calculated in quadrillions (15 zeros) and quintillions (18 zeros) until the demise of the local currency." | |||
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ashok you are again talking about a time period where the british history and and the scandinavian history interlinks, and the above quote is 100% wrong, besides the romans who had a full writing system, the people that came after had their own alfabet and writings, sadly most of it were destroyed by the christians later but it were there. so mate if these facts are wrong, what else is ? any conclusions based on flawed facts, are very much open to discussion, are they not cheers peter | |||
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Peter, I admit I know nothing of Scandinavian history. My comment was that India had sophisticated languages with grammar, universities and literary conferences before 3rd century BC. I do not think the English had a well established written language with such institutionalized sophistication at that time. I am setting this base to show that the British were not the hugely developed society that then somehow lifted up a primitive India as some seem to claim. Again my friend - please see the context and the bigger picture of the debate. The point is - I am repeating myself - the role of the Industrial Revolution and colonialism on other societies that were colonised. To claim that colonialism was some how a benefit for India is nonsense. If the Western countries had not gone out and colonised others, they would have imploded with poverty and internal conflict. This is NOT about race but about social and economic history. PS. The South Indians with the indigenous Dravidian people (today's Tamils) had literary conferences going back before 6th century BC. Check out the Sangam period. The Aryan people of the North also had universities like Nalanda. Mathematics with the concept of Zero existed then - yes digital counting - before the Roams & Greeks. Alexander invaded India in 3rd C BC & was defeated in battle for the first time & almost died before his troops rallied and broke through. Indians were trading with the Greeks and Romans as well as the Chinese & Arabs during that period. ...it is late and I need to go to bed...but India is doing well in cricket against the South Africans. But Jaques Kalis - what a great player he is! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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3rd century britain were under roman ruling, and i think that would match anything india could offer, after that came the saxons, a scandinavian tribe from the northern part of germany south part of denmark, not as advanced as the romans by a long shot, but great belivers in personal freedom and making your own future by your own means. they were conqured by their neighbors from norway, sweden and denmark who at that time took over the region and are still holding on to it to this day by gene pool supiority .these people did not have universitys, but they did have a written language and did the ground work for your political system and law system as well, the universitys were for the ruling classes and i find it a great testament for the general personal freedom that it were not present in most of northern europe at that time. rome came back again in the shape of christianity, and with it universitys and enslaving the common man once again. the people you define as back wards and in the dark ages, are the same ones that mastered the sea's and allthough had a king and gods bowed to nothing but commen sence. and they went to the north america, africa, the far east, and deep into russia(russia means home of the rus, meaning vikings) they had a commen language(who perverted into english, the most used language in the world)
your basic information is flawed, you look at the high end of india's society who had nothing better to do than toy around on the university's, and dream about former greatness and completly dischard the major part of the indian society, which were oppressed to a level that made it easy for the danish, portuguese, dutch, and british to come and devide and conquer, as they did in most of the places they arrived. you can only conquer a population that is allready willing to change the current system that exsist, this was very much the case in india, where if you look at afganistan and pakistan, they were never really conquered by anybody, not even today.
i beg to differ in that were india not colonized it would still have a major problem for its general population which means you and yours, you make paralells between people of which history you know nothing about, and try to draw conclusions from the different scholars that agree at least in part with your view. i still say, as long as you dont know the history, please dont claim it as your truths, look at india today, free for 50-60 years and allready imploding again with internal rebellion and hunger, you had a fully functioning system and what did you do with it ? well you moved did'nt you !
the fact is that africa were allready colonialising africa, same skin color but doing far worse that a few whites ever did, my hopes for africa is that we can get away from all this egghead PC and somebody actually steps in and takes over the power and makes life liveble for the africans (both black and white) again best peter | |||
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Peter - Thats what we all wish, however a black man on this continent will never vote for a white man, doesnt matter how bad his living conditions get.They wanted "freedom", they got it, but the dream is not quite panning out as they thought it would. EISH!!! | |||
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The poor English subjects have been subjected even further into the depths of political correctness through a constant propaganda of guilt. I think ever limey and most displaced limeys (including New Zealand apparently) are now programmed to get to Africa as quickly as possible the rectify the horrors of colonialism. What a load of crap. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I will take the time to tell this true story once more: When I was in Zim in 2006...we had a game scout (Chewore South) by the name of Kallimanjeta (no idea of how bad I butchered his name...but he pronounced it as I spelled it). I noticed when we were doing the finallites at the end of the safari...that Kallimanjeta had beautiful hand-writing and wrote the English language very well (although his English was broken to speak). He also did basic math well. I ask him: "Kallimanjeta where were you educated so well???" He sad: "In Zimbabwe as a child". He went on to say: "When I was a child...Zimbabwe was Rhodesia (he was 42 at the time). In Rhodesia at that time...all children were educated. We even had good medical care. Now...my children cannot read or write...there are NO schools for them in my village. I cannot teach them as I am gone always gone to make a living. Zimbabwe no good place to live NOW." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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