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Originally posted by Frostbit:

Who are you speaking for?

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Steve I followed you link to the Hey Haria Leaders web site and found little explanation at to the spending of the funds, but did see a bold link How to Donate to them. I saw one of their good deeds was providing help for their elder members, self serving not true charity. If I wanted to spend the time I could rip that sit apart following your lead with SCI. I could find little about the expenditures an saw no link to financial reporting - like audited financial reports or reports to proper governmental authorities.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
as far as the lion conservation issue, it's obvious- DSC LISTENED- SCI DID NOT! now why would that be? who knows, but IT'S AN ABSOLUTE IRON CLAD FACT!

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Steve,

Go to www.guidestar.org and enter Safari Club International and have a look around.

Jeff

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Originally posted by shakari:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Steve,

Go to www.guidestar.org and enter Safari Club International and have a look around.

Jeff

There are not there, as no independent audit has been done on SCI.



Jeff

I spent something like 30 minutes looking around the site and although it has a lot of info, I can't seem to find the specific figures I keep mentioning/looking for.

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Originally posted by MJines:
So Saeed, what have you personally done to try to make SCI the kind of organization that you want it to be? Or are you saying that you knew they would not listen to you or care what you did or said, so you elected to do nothing? Sort of sounds like you are suggesting the latter.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
as far as the lion conservation issue, it's obvious- DSC LISTENED- SCI DID NOT! now why would that be? who knows, but IT'S AN ABSOLUTE IRON CLAD FACT!

Well maybe because they didnt agree with it?? Hmmmm!!

Did they have to agree with it?

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Steve, on the site you referenced stated they gave X thousand pounds to univ Y, well what happened to that money?

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Steve you brought up the charities supported by the Masons not I. Bring it to the table one can comment on it. As to what the masons do with their funds I could care less. Lane our views will differ as I am not at war with SCI.

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why not come up with an answer as to the whereabouts of the $1M which was successfully raised in favour of the well-lobbied Lion Project!

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The Anti's have over $140m dedicated to this specific cause....

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Originally posted by NelsonFreemanSCI:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Larry,

I might have missed it, but I could not find any figures of how much has been spent on anything??

Mr. Saeed,

The SCI Foundation is meeting this week during the SCI Convention. Though I am not yet at the Convention, I will be soon. I will try to get the breakdowns of expenditures.

In the mean time here is some information that you have been provided in the past regarding SCI Foundation's expenditures in African Conservation projects.

2013 projects
 Namibia and Zambia Leopard Population Research
 Support Existing Lion Research
 Human Wildlife Conflict Mitigation
 Non-Detriment Finding Support
 African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Zambia
 African lion aging techniques
 Population census in Zambia and other range states
 Anti-poaching efforts
 Addressing threats to lion populations

Past Accomplishments (2007-2012)
• Africa Wildlife Genomics, Genetics and Health – 2012, 2011, 2010: $61,500
• Zambia Lion Project – 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2007: $270,300 (total)
• Regional Guide to Aging Lions In Zambia -- 2010
• Namibia Leopard Survey – 2010: $62,500
• Malawi Lion Survey – 2010: $20,000
• Published “Conservation Status of the Lion in Malawi” – 2010
• Tanzania Lion Literature Review – 2009
• Tanzania Lion Survey – 2009: $50,000 + $46,000 from SCI
• Published “Conservation Status of the Lion in Tanzania” – 2009
• Mozambique Lion Survey – 2009: $45,538.20
• Mozambique national lion workshop – 2009: $22,019
• Published “Conservation Status of the Lion in Mozambique” – 2009
• Published Namibia’s Lion Management Strategy – 2009: $5,000
• Published Zambia’s Conservation Strategy and Action Plan for the Africa Lion – 2009: $3,000
• Kalahari Wildlife Assessment: Predator survey via spoor counts in Botswana – 2012, 2008
• ZiMoZa transfrontier boundary project – 2002 through 2008
• ZiMoZa Human Wildlife Conflict Workshop – 2008: $9,997.90
• Mozambique lion desk survey (literature review) – 2008
• Mozambique lion field survey (qualitative survey) – 2008: $45,538.20
• Zambia Lion Aging Project – Dr. Paula White – 2007 and 2008
• Namibia national lion workshop – lion management plan – 2008: $20,000
• Southern Africa Elephant Management Strategy – 2007 and 2008
• Human Wildlife Conflict: Perspectives and Attitude Assessment Survey – Tarangire Plains 2007: $19,000
• Zimbabwe national lion workshop – lion management plan 2006, republish in 2008: $20,000
• Regional Conservation Strategy for the Lion, Western and Central Africa – 2005/2006
• Regional Conservation Strategy for the Lion, Eastern and Southern Africa – 2005/2006
• Database Workshop for Southern African Directors of Wildlife Conservation Departments – 2008: $14,933
• Best Practices of Trophy Hunting Workshop – South Africa 2007: $29,300
• Assisted with drafting of a revised Wildlife Policy in Kenya – 2007
• Ethiopia Wildlife Department GIS Program and Computer Upgrade –2006/2007
• Ethiopia Mtn. Nyala population and habitat research project – 2006/2007
• African education and empowerment grant – PHASA – ANNUAL: $20,000
• African education and empowerment grant – NAPHA – ANNUAL: $18,000
• SCIF humanitarian blue bag program – ANNUAL
• Facilitate annual government to government meetings at SCI Convention, in Washington D.C., in Africa, at CITES meetings – Annual
• Scholarship Program: Pretoria College for Technical Education
• Community Uplift in Tanzania – Constructed two solar-powered medical clinics outfitted with fresh water filtration systems in Tanzania in conjunction with the Friedkin Conservation Fund, located in Uvinza and Mfereji –2008.
• Community water development in Kenya – 2009.

AWCF (2002-2012)
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Botswana 2012: $47,630
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Swaziland 2011: $65,670
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Zimbabwe 2010: $10,471
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Malawi 2009: $65,000
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Namibia 2008: $61,321
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Mozambique 2007
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Tanzania 2006
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Mauritius 2005
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – South Africa 2004
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Zambia 2003
• African Wildlife Consultative Forum – Botswana 2002

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Originally posted by Saeed:
No Steve,

I hope I am wrong, but I suspect we are not going to get any answers from Nelson.

Matt said it was mentioned at the convention that the money would used for political reasons!?

SCI mentioned that in a leaflet.
Which Matt might have thrown away - I suspect just like what most people do with leaflets.

No other mention of the million dollars they were screaming so loud about collecting last year.

I am sure it will end up just another of SCI's usual "we have spent $xxxx on African conservation".

But when asked of the break down all we get is utter silence??!!

Of course, when some bigwig shoots a trophy captured for his pleasure, to be added to the long list of other trophies gotten in exactly the same despicable manner, it becomes headlines at SCI??!!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
No Steve,

I hope I am wrong, but I suspect we are not going to get any answers from Nelson.

Matt said it was mentioned at the convention that the money would used for political reasons!?

SCI mentioned that in a leaflet.
Which Matt might have thrown away - I suspect just like what most people do with leaflets.

No other mention of the million dollars they were screaming so loud about collecting last year.

I am sure it will end up just another of SCI's usual "we have spent $xxxx on African conservation".

But when asked of the break down all we get is utter silence??!!

Of course, when some bigwig shoots a trophy captured for his pleasure, to be added to the long list of other trophies gotten in exactly the same despicable manner, it becomes headlines at SCI??!!

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Saeed - I never claimed it was for 'political' use as such. It just said fighting the uplisting. As Lane points out that may well be for legal action. It could also just be to pay for lobbyists. Who knows? I doubt SCI is wanting to exactly telegraph their movements on this sensitive issue.

That's the thing with this business of spending money on 'conservation' - without political and legal action, on-the-ground expenditure may be for nought, in terms of trophy hunting anyhow. Is that money well spent? Who knows?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Saeed - I never claimed it was for 'political' use as such. It just said fighting the uplisting. As Lane points out that may well be for legal action. It could also just be to pay for lobbyists. Who knows? I doubt SCI is wanting to exactly telegraph their movements on this sensitive issue.

That's the thing with this business of spending money on 'conservation' - without political and legal action, on-the-ground expenditure may be for nought, in terms of trophy hunting anyhow. Is that money well spent? Who knows?

Matt,
We will see when the listing comes out. Personally...I think we lost the "political war" partly due to the non-action of SCI. We will see how the legal battle goes. But...as usual...fighting in the court systems will take years. And if the lion gets listed... they may not have years to wait. My opinion...FWIW.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Lane,

I had a message from someone who apparently believes SCI NEVER does anything w!rong.

He says SCI is a LEADER in conservation.

They do NOT, repeat, NOT follow what others suggest should be done.

Poor misguided soul!

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Saeed - I never claimed it was for 'political' use as such. It just said fighting the uplisting. As Lane points out that may well be for legal action. It could also just be to pay for lobbyists. Who knows? I doubt SCI is wanting to exactly telegraph their movements on this sensitive issue.

That's the thing with this business of spending money on 'conservation' - without political and legal action, on-the-ground expenditure may be for nought, in terms of trophy hunting anyhow. Is that money well spent? Who knows?

Matt,
We will see when the listing comes out. Personally...I think we lost the "political war" partly due to the non-action of SCI. We will see how the legal battle goes. But...as usual...fighting in the court systems will take years. And if the lion gets listed... they may not have years to wait. My opinion...FWIW.

So you will blame SCI if the uplisting goes ahead?

When you say non-action... you mean the action that you wanted them to take.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
So, maybe SCI didnt agree with your approach? Move on, stop crying. Not everyone has to agree with you. Blaming them for the uplisting would be just silly.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Can you show me a published statement on lion off-take by SCI???