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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Tell me, honored mates: is dangerous game really dangerous when shot from a far enough distance where danger is not present?
If everyone shot their buff-lion-leopard-hippo-elephant at 1-2-300 yards is it really dangerous game hunting?
I seek your knowledge as I don't have enough experience myself.
Just wonderin'.
Cal

The animals that fall within this category are branded as Dangerous Game simply due to their known capability of reacting in a manner that may have fatal consequences if provoked.

Not everyone shoots or is capable of shooting DG over long distances - those who do, most likely do so out of necessity (no affordable cover to close the distance is the main reason that comes to mind). If there is a wounding, you might even be LUCKY to get a charge as well!

I have seen so many balls ups created at 50 yds so distance is really immaterial.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Tell me, honored mates: is dangerous game really dangerous when shot from a far enough distance where danger is not present?
If everyone shot their buff-lion-leopard-hippo-elephant at 1-2-300 yards is it really dangerous game hunting?
I seek your knowledge as I don't have enough experience myself.
Just wonderin'.
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

Saeed:
The more you show this obsession with Mark and continually call him names I'm starting to think you have a serious Napoleon complex. Let the man be. You two men are different. Mark is a self made successful man with a strong alpha male personality. I'm not making an accusation, but it seems to me you have either a fear of the man (and what he is), have a deep routed jealousy of what he is and his success, or, since you can't be what Mark is you must name call. Mark is too much of a gentleman to do this to you. Give it a rest, please. All of us here know how you feel, countless times, and it is getting tiresome.

On the same note I must state to Express Yourself that it is obvious the shit will hit the fan when you post anything of Mark in the manner you do. The first time it passed. Time again and it is discussed between many honorable members here (through PMs) that it goes beyond selling the next dvd (which is a just thing to do) but steps into the shit disturbing realm.

In closing, review my post of this past March when I reviewed Mark's films. He really does not have that many charges in 24 years a PH. What he has shown stirs emotion to exaggerative levels. Also, review my notes and you will see he does not kill animals for his clients. He shoots with the client when the animal is running away. There is never an instance when the animal was wounded on purpose--that is emotionally generated and not true.
We are all in this boat together and PETA wants us all to sink.
Cheers,
Cal

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Todd,

Alan has been on quite a few so called "backup hunts".

Many of them did not start withy him as the PH.

He went to help clear the screw ups of others.

Still, if we take Alan, plus his father, plus about dozen other PHs I have been with, and those they know as PHs, and combine them all.

I guarantee you all of them combined would never have had even a fraction of Mark Sullivan's charges.

Do any of the other PHs go out of their way to shoot their clients animal, and brag about it on camera, making sure the client remains anonymous in the background?

Do you enjoy having your animal killed by your PH?

If so, why are you not hunting with Mark Sullivan then?

Saeed,
It's all about hunting style. Hunting Buffalo at longer distances, say 60-100 yards will just not provoke as many charges as Buffalo that the first shot is taken within the Buffalo's "personal space."

It's two completely different styles of hunting. I don't see anyone here disparaging you or anyone else here who hunts Buffalo at longer than "personal space" distances. To each his own.

Mark loves the intimacy of close up hunting, and an immediate follow up. Closing in on the wounded Buffalo from the front. Thats all there is to it.

I've never hunted with Mark but will in 2015. Really looking froward to him shooting all my animals

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
QUOTE]Originally posted by Saeed:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Saeed:


Instead of making it a Hollywood Showtime with him breathing heavily to re-enforce his point to make sure you don't miss the whole point of Mark Sullivan, The Bravest Great White Hunter That Ever Lived.


Saeed:
The more you show this obsession with Mark and continually call him names I'm starting to think you have a serious Napoleon complex. Let the man be. You two men are different. Mark is a self made successful man with a strong alpha male personality. I'm not making an accusation, but it seems to me you have either a fear of the man (and what he is), have a deep routed jealousy of what he is and his success, or, since you can't be what Mark is you must name call. Mark is too much of a gentleman to do this to you. Give it a rest, please. All of us here know how you feel, countless times, and it is getting tiresome.

On the same note I must state to Express Yourself that it is obvious the shit will hit the fan when you post anything of Mark in the manner you do. The first time it passed. Time again and it is discussed between many honorable members here (through PMs) that it goes beyond selling the next dvd (which is a just thing to do) but steps into the shit disturbing realm.

In closing, review my post of this past March when I reviewed Mark's films. He really does not have that many charges in 24 years a PH. What he has shown stirs emotion to exaggerative levels. Also, review my notes and you will see he does not kill animals for his clients. He shoots with the client when the animal is running away. There is never an instance when the animal was wounded on purpose--that is emotionally generated and not true.
We are all in this boat together and PETA wants us all to sink.
Cheers,
Cal

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Originally posted by Saeed:
There are some thickets in the Selous and Moyowosi.

Mark Sullivan would never dare go after a wounded buffalo in there.

He likes to shoot them like the proverbial "fish in a barrel"!

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Originally posted by Russ B:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Todd,

Alan has been on quite a few so called "backup hunts".

Many of them did not start withy him as the PH.

He went to help clear the screw ups of others.

Still, if we take Alan, plus his father, plus about dozen other PHs I have been with, and those they know as PHs, and combine them all.

I guarantee you all of them combined would never have had even a fraction of Mark Sullivan's charges.

Do any of the other PHs go out of their way to shoot their clients animal, and brag about it on camera, making sure the client remains anonymous in the background?

Do you enjoy having your animal killed by your PH?

If so, why are you not hunting with Mark Sullivan then?

Saeed,
It's all about hunting style. Hunting Buffalo at longer distances, say 60-100 yards will just not provoke as many charges as Buffalo that the first shot is taken within the Buffalo's "personal space."

It's two completely different styles of hunting. I don't see anyone here disparaging you or anyone else here who hunts Buffalo at longer than "personal space" distances. To each his own.

Mark loves the intimacy of close up hunting, and an immediate follow up. Closing in on the wounded Buffalo from the front. Thats all there is to it.

I've never hunted with Mark but will in 2015. Really looking froward to him shooting all my animals

Hi Steve

With all respect due to you, this sort of behaviour from Mark on Dangerous Game is hardly a hunting style but more geographical location and terrain type than anything else.

The most fatalities in recent years from hunting dangerous game have occurred in 2 areas namely The Zambezi Valley and Masailand. There is a reason for that, THICK BUSH. Zambezi Valley Jesse Bush is notorious and visibility is often less than 10 yards so it is prudent to exercise caution. Likewise Masailand is Hook Thorn Acacia also with limited visibility.

Mark has predominantly hunted in The Selous, Moyowosi and some areas in Central Tanzania where visibility is not always but generally speaking better than the previous areas I have mentioned.

If you can see then it makes it a whole lot easier to approach Buffalo head on. Most people who have been on safari when a fatal charge has occurred will tell you that the Buffalo they were following suddenly appeared within 10 yards with no warning and no sight of him until he was already coming full steam.

I think that the type of approach that is used is dependant on the type of terrain and not really a case of one person having the ability to get closer to dangerous game than another.

That being said it is dangerous game and a prudent approach is always required.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Got an email asking the following.


"I wonder if anyone is going to tell us about when MS hunted on Pano's concession."

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:
Perhaps the mystery person that has all the factual details and knowledge of the event should start a thread about it. I am sure some on AR would enjoy the exchange that would ensue. Maybe we can also start a forum while we are at it called ARs Dirty Laundry. Then we can have mystery people airing out all kinds of dirty laundry real and fabricated! Most importantly it could require no first-hand information to really keep topics on track.

We can start with the .22 in the nuts of buffalo and work our way through back-up shooters off-camera, non-disclosure forms, surreptitious contracts, won’t go into the thick stuff, shoots before clients, tells clients to intentionally wound game, shoots all of his clients game, etc. I bet it might be great fun for some. I think I will pass on that thread.

Shawn

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I would say getting charged is easy...not getting charged takes some skill - especially with wounded game.

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Originally posted by Ganyana:
Faced two charges by buff between 1987 and this year- both as a parks officer on the erradication culls and as a PH.

In 1985 and '86 when I was still 'learning' I faced 6 close range charges from Buff.

I would say getting charged is easy...not getting charged takes some skill - especially with wounded game.

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:
Gee I wonder who might send an email such as that....Hmmmmm.

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I have said before, Mark Sullivan cannot be called a professional hunter by any stretch of the imagination.

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so he can shoot their game animals and brag about it

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"With friends like this, who needs enemies"

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Originally posted by Bockhunter:

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so he can shoot their game animals and brag about it

Hi Saaed,

please look at the "Statistik of Cal P.".
He has written there, after he looked all of the films of MS, that this is not true.

Check it if you want.
So you can see it for your own.

And then:
Look to the Videos of other famous PHs.
Like A. D., he has shoot on every hunt -in one DVD- of the clints game.

Best wishes.

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self made, alpha male, etc..

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Mark is fearless and therefore not afraid of putting his hunts out for all to see.

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Originally posted by Bakes:

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self made, alpha male, etc..

Alpha male Mate what is an Alpha Male, you keep banging on about this, what a load of Shite. Seems like you have a little man crush on MS.

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Originally posted by Bakes:
Just because he invited me along with him doesn't mean I have to jump to his defence like the MS fan club does.

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Alright children!
Everyone go to your rooms & write 100 times:
"I will play nice with others."
Now go on & get started & no desert for the next week either.

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Originally posted by Bakes:

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Originally posted by Cal pappas
the type of man Mark is -- self made, alpha male, etc..

Alpha male Mate what is an Alpha Male, you keep banging on about this, what a load of Shite. Seems like you have a little man crush on MS.