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Originally posted by larryshores:
Let me pose a question. If you were a cameraman, would you rather film behind Mark Sullivan or an client with unknown skills?

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I enjoy watching MS videos. He must be doing something right to NOT have a single client complaint!

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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I enjoy watching MS videos. He must be doing something right to NOT have a single client complaint!

Naki:

As to not having any complaints from a client one might define the client as being complacently compliant

and who knows, the client might even be requested to sign a document of non disclosure or something to that effect prior to a deal being concluded.

As I am not a connoisseur of the "multiple ways of choosing die" films, can only think they were destined to entertain a certain class of viewers.

... And I tip my hat to him on his success !!

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:



I know this thread will become the usual whipping post and that is fine if that is ones interest. It is not mine. So let’s jump to the obvious question here. I have been told on another thread, that hippo are easily killed with a small caliber weapon. A .243 was recommended if I remember correctly.

So asking the obvious question…you mean to tell me (and I'm supposed to believe) you could stop this charging killing machine with a .243? If this is true and this is so easily done, then why is Sullivan the only person on the planet with charging hippo footage if stopping an enraged rogue bull hippo is as easy as some would say?

I think those that would suggest this have never faced a hippo charge in their life otherwise they would never suggest such a thing. Let it be known (and this is a plug) Sullivan's new movie (available in February 2014) will be his best movie ever. So good in fact that even you (Russ B) will want to buy one!

Best regards,
Shawn

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Saeed:
Since you have developed the best forum on the 'net for all we do I would like to ask you a question. Are you able to supply a number showing the amount of times you posted a negative message about Mark and also supply a number showing the amount of times you posted a negative post about PETA and like organizations as well as poisoning of elephants, etc…
Just curious because I've never seen such an obsession with any single topic as I have seen with you and your attacks on Mark. As Steve so correctly pointed out above, if you don't like him, ignore him.
Not being negative, just trying to figure it all out as we are all in this boat together but the double rifle guys don't attack the bolt rifle guys, etc.
Cheers, mate.
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Saeed:
Since you have developed the best forum on the 'net for all we do I would like to ask you a question. Are you able to supply a number showing the amount of times you posted a negative message about Mark and also supply a number showing the amount of times you posted a negative post about PETA and like organizations as well as poisoning of elephants, etc…
Just curious because I've never seen such an obsession with any single topic as I have seen with you and your attacks on Mark. As Steve so correctly pointed out above, if you don't like him, ignore him.
Not being negative, just trying to figure it all out as we are all in this boat together but the double rifle guys don't attack the bolt rifle guys, etc.
Cheers, mate.
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Thanks, Saeed, for your reply. I didn't expect to get any figures. I can guess your feelings toward PETA but I don't see you post them countless times. I know you you feel about Mark--the posts come without end.
It just seems kind of off balance to me, that's all. Disagreement with his actions is understandable. Disagreement for years and perhaps hundreds of posts I don't understand. But, it may be just me.
Cheers,
Cal
PS. If the shoe were on the other foot, I wonder your feelings and emotions if Mark came on here with endless anti Saeed posts. But, of course, he would never do that.

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:
You can deflect all you feel that you need to Russ. I believe that your comments were meant to minimize and diminish the skills involved with killing a charging hippo and what that experience is like in my opinion.

If that was not your intention that was the message I received loud and clear. There is no argument as you suggest.

You are welcome to your opinion on any of my threads but please don't expect a free pass if they are in opposition.

Shawn

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Russ,

As you probably know I have been hunting with Roy Vincent for years, and currently hunt with his son Alan.

Both of these gentlemen say they consider their season a big success when they never fire a shot.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Russ,

Please do not insult the real African professional hunters by comparing them to a glory seeking Hollywood wanabe.

I have been hunting in Africa for over 30 years, have met great African professional hunters, and if we combine all of their years of experience together.
And the charges they had during those years combined, they come no where near what Mark Sullivan has had.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Todd,

Alan has been on quite a few so called "backup hunts".

Many of them did not start withy him as the PH.

He went to help clear the screw ups of others.

Still, if we take Alan, plus his father, plus about dozen other PHs I have been with, and those they know as PHs, and combine them all.

I guarantee you all of them combined would never have had even a fraction of Mark Sullivan's charges.

Do any of the other PHs go out of their way to shoot their clients animal, and brag about it on camera, making sure the client remains anonymous in the background?

Do you enjoy having your animal killed by your PH?

If so, why are you not hunting with Mark Sullivan then?

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Originally posted by idaho sharpshooter:
Cal,

everybody in the world gets to feeling down some time or another. Then they look at someone a bit less of a human being. Things like having principles, and honor and pride in your work, caring.

If Mark Sullivan ever looked in a mirror he knows he is the horse's ass at the end of that line.

He has to resort to using this pimp to get his name on here. If he ever killed game for me, the next shot would be by me...

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

Mark loves the intimacy of close up hunting, and an immediate follow up. Closing in on the wounded Buffalo from the front. Thats all there is to it.

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It's all about hunting style. Hunting Buffalo at longer distances, say 60-100 yards will just not provoke as many charges as Buffalo that the first shot is taken within the Buffalo's "personal space."

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Originally posted by Trax:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

Mark loves the intimacy of close up hunting, and an immediate follow up. Closing in on the wounded Buffalo from the front. Thats all there is to it.

But when ones clients are lousy -hopeless shots[As MS has stated],
should the PH be intentionally creating such situations and leading such clients into it?
I believe thats how PHs manage to get get shot by their clients,-
{i.e.;} being in close-in DG situations that the client is essentially not competent with/not proficiently capable of dealing with.
and where the panic stricken client becomes more of danger and threat to the hunting party, than the DG being pursued.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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It's all about hunting style. Hunting Buffalo at longer distances, say 60-100 yards will just not provoke as many charges as Buffalo that the first shot is taken within the Buffalo's "personal space."

That is absolutely correct!

Hunting buffalo at just about any distance will very unlikely provoke a charge UNLESS it has been previously wounded and even so, will more likely seek cover rather than a confrontation.

Under wounded conditions and if goaded sufficiently to a point where it has little or no choice other than to retaliate, will the charge materialize.

Might I add that following up on a wounded buffalo is no big deal as long as you know what you are doing; i.e. you know it is wounded, you are following its tracks and you know the general direction in which it is headed - it is basically a question of keeping your wits about you and shooting straight the first time round when the fun starts.

MS is a master at playing this game.

The story is totally different when you get an unprovoked charge coming out of nowhere without warning - it has happened, more than once, to PHs with 5 Star reputations - most with dire, if not fatal consequences!

These unprovoked charges are however few and far between - something like "the writing on the wall".

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Todd,

Alan has been on quite a few so called "backup hunts".

Many of them did not start withy him as the PH.

Alan was the primary PH on the hunt depicted. Actually several hunts in the DVD. They started and ended with him as the PH.

He went to help clear the screw ups of others.

Nice try, but ... no!

Still, if we take Alan, plus his father, plus about dozen other PHs I have been with, and those they know as PHs, and combine them all.

I guarantee you all of them combined would never have had even a fraction of Mark Sullivan's charges.

For some reason, I think you are missing the point Saeed. Mark Sullivan has never claimed that he does anything other than purposefully seek out charges. It's the way he prefers to hunt, up close and personal. It may or may not be for some, but I don't understand why you continue to insinuate that he is being disingenuous in claiming these charges happen naturally. They don't. He states as much. I'm currently reading his book that just arrived yesterday. He goes into great detail and length as to why and how he gets the charges to happen. Again, it's not for everyone, but why do you continue to accuse him of what he freely admits to doing, as if he's trying to hide his true intentions? I think that's what some of us like myself or Cal don't really understand in making your point.

Do any of the other PHs go out of their way to shoot their clients animal, and brag about it on camera, making sure the client remains anonymous in the background?

Well, again, we had this exercise awhile back where Cal went through the Sullivan DVDs and counted the number of times Mark joined in on the shooting. I took it a step further and reviewed a few other popular DVDs on the market by "respectable" PHs. I specifically commented on Boddington on Buffalo 1 and 2. In No. 1, it was found that the PHs, Andrew Dawson and Paul Smith, joined in on every single hunt, except the Boddington hunts. I suspect that was because Boddington probably asked them to refrain from joining in, however, I don't know for sure. It is however, a glaring discrepancy! This leads me to believe that maybe, just maybe, you get a completely different story from your PHs when you are hunting with them because you are so adamant that they don't join in. It wouldn't be the first time the outfitter catered to the particular "interest" or "viewpoints" of their paying clients!


Do you enjoy having your animal killed by your PH?

Nope. And to date, I've never heard a PH's rifle fired other than at the rifle range after the hunt. However, I have absolutely no ego about it should he decide, in his professional opinion, that help is required. On a related topic, I'm also not offended, intimidated, nor overly impressed by the guys who really go in for the SCI records and awards. It doesn't affect me as I'm not interested in the award circles, but I don't feel the need to speak ill of them to bolster my self image!

But then again, we aren't speaking about Sullivan's method of hunting either. Again, reading his book, he provides quite a bit of insight. In it he states that many of his clients come into camp telling him they want to experience a charge and they seek him out because of his method of walking up to the animal and encouraging it. With that, they understand that stopping a charge at close range doesn't leave any room for error, and if that is the way they want to hunt and what they want to experience, then he is more than likely going to be shooting also. It's something those particular clients know ahead of time and are OK with. He also states that not all of his clients want this type of safari. I suspect there are more of those types than are willing to publicly admit!

If so, why are you not hunting with Mark Sullivan then?

I probably will once I put together enough funds to hunt Tanzania. In fact, he would be my first choice. I was invited to go along with Steve and the other guys next year, but I'm already committed to hunting Moz next year!

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

Which is why you will see Mark ALWAYS approach a wounded Buffalo with a client, shoulder to shoulder

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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It's all about hunting style. Hunting Buffalo at longer distances, say 60-100 yards will just not provoke as many charges as Buffalo that the first shot is taken within the Buffalo's "personal space."

That is absolutely correct!

Hunting buffalo at just about any distance will very unlikely provoke a charge UNLESS it has been previously wounded and even so, will more likely seek cover rather than a confrontation.

Under wounded conditions and if goaded sufficiently to a point where it has little or no choice other than to retaliate, will the charge materialize.

Might I add that following up on a wounded buffalo is no big deal as long as you know what you are doing; i.e. you know it is wounded, you are following its tracks and you know the general direction in which it is headed - it is basically a question of keeping your wits about you and shooting straight the first time round when the fun starts.

MS is a master at playing this game.

The story is totally different when you get an unprovoked charge coming out of nowhere without warning - it has happened, more than once, to PHs with 5 Star reputations - most with dire, if not fatal consequences!

These unprovoked charges are however few and far between - something like "the writing on the wall".

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Todd,

Alan has been on quite a few so called "backup hunts".

Many of them did not start withy him as the PH.

He went to help clear the screw ups of others.

Still, if we take Alan, plus his father, plus about dozen other PHs I have been with, and those they know as PHs, and combine them all.

I guarantee you all of them combined would never have had even a fraction of Mark Sullivan's charges.

Do any of the other PHs go out of their way to shoot their clients animal, and brag about it on camera, making sure the client remains anonymous in the background?

Do you enjoy having your animal killed by your PH?

If so, why are you not hunting with Mark Sullivan then?

Saeed,
It's all about hunting style. Hunting Buffalo at longer distances, say 60-100 yards will just not provoke as many charges as Buffalo that the first shot is taken within the Buffalo's "personal space."

It's two completely different styles of hunting. I don't see anyone here disparaging you or anyone else here who hunts Buffalo at longer than "personal space" distances. To each his own.

Mark loves the intimacy of close up hunting, and an immediate follow up. Closing in on the wounded Buffalo from the front. Thats all there is to it.

I've never hunted with Mark but will in 2015. Really looking froward to him shooting all my animals

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Tell me, honored mates: is dangerous game really dangerous when shot from a far enough distance where danger is not present?
If everyone shot their buff-lion-leopard-hippo-elephant at 1-2-300 yards is it really dangerous game hunting?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Todd,

Alan has been on quite a few so called "backup hunts".

Many of them did not start withy him as the PH.

He went to help clear the screw ups of others.

Still, if we take Alan, plus his father, plus about dozen other PHs I have been with, and those they know as PHs, and combine them all.

I guarantee you all of them combined would never have had even a fraction of Mark Sullivan's charges.

Do any of the other PHs go out of their way to shoot their clients animal, and brag about it on camera, making sure the client remains anonymous in the background?

Do you enjoy having your animal killed by your PH?

If so, why are you not hunting with Mark Sullivan then?

Saeed,
It's all about hunting style. Hunting Buffalo at longer distances, say 60-100 yards will just not provoke as many charges as Buffalo that the first shot is taken within the Buffalo's "personal space."

It's two completely different styles of hunting. I don't see anyone here disparaging you or anyone else here who hunts Buffalo at longer than "personal space" distances. To each his own.

Mark loves the intimacy of close up hunting, and an immediate follow up. Closing in on the wounded Buffalo from the front. Thats all there is to it.

I've never hunted with Mark but will in 2015. Really looking froward to him shooting all my animals

Steve,

Mark Sullivan can have his own hunting style, and he is welcome to it.

What I find totally disgusting is him purposely wounding animals and then setting himself up to be the brave hero.

We have all shot buffalo which had to be killed with another shot.

A decent hunter would put that buffalo out of it misery as quickly as possible.

Instead of making it a Hollywood Showtime with him breathing heavily to re-enforce his point to make sure you don't miss the whole point of Mark Sullivan, The Bravest Great White Hunter That Ever Lived

There are so many rumors going on in Tanzania about what he does to get all his charges - they might all be rumors. But I suspect some are true, and when they do come out, it will paint us all as hunters with an unsavory reputation.

It will go right there in the same sorry box of canned lion hunting, and canned SCI trophy hunting.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Tell me, honored mates: is dangerous game really dangerous when shot from a far enough distance where danger is not present?
If everyone shot their buff-lion-leopard-hippo-elephant at 1-2-300 yards is it really dangerous game hunting?
I seek your knowledge as I don't have enough experience myself.
Just wonderin'.
Cal