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the dude that got drilled is carrying a 243 to stop a wounded buffalo. Didn't work so well. Happened here in SA, Eastern Cape

So this shit show happened in South Africa,....Wow I never would have guessed that!!!

Y’all got it all wrong. This terrible incident happened because they had slings on their rifles. It’s rather simple. Pfft...

Several members seem to think a double would have solved this problem.

I doubt it, when the shooter does not hit a vital part.

This is what happens when you can become a licensed South African PH in 10 days!!!

Watching the video I see how fast that buff can move.Once the buff reached him,he gave no chance for the hunter to even point the rifle in his direction or to hang on to it for a second.This is surely no rodeo bull or arena toro.That said I think a truly wild one would move even faster and be much stronger especially if he has to fight lions and deal with other such hardships.

Usually it goes the way you planned it, but then, sometimes it does not.

We were discussing African rifle carry the other day. The guy that takes the punishment takes it to a completely new level - very safe - muzzle down, hands in the jacket pocket, supporting the rifle. Smart! but maybe not so much on a wounded buff follow up in thick stuff!!!! They were just so lucky that the buff did not go for the PH - there would have been some tears, I guess

Probably not how you want to carry when following a wounded buff in the thick stuff

Isn’t that the truth!!

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Originally posted by doctari505:
This is what happens when you can become a licensed South African PH in 10 days!!!

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
Probably not how you want to carry when following a wounded buff in the thick stuff

Not to be contrary, but THAT is NOT thick stuff!! That's pretty wide open IMHO.

As to doubles saving the day ... who knows. Both guys got off 2 shots BUT, with a double, it's possible the second shots could have been aimed more precisely if they didn't have to take time to work the bolt. That's the primary benefit of the double but you have to be proficient with it. Case in point being if the doubles didn't stop the bull, those follow on shots after contact would only have been possible in a timely manner if the guy was practiced at reloading it.

Anyway, lots of armchair quarterbacking going on, and some of the RSA ranch hunting snobbery to boot. Fact is guys, some folks who are interested in African hunting can only afford to do RSA. And that's fine. I'm glad there are options for different levels of financial expenditure. I did 3 of those RSA ranch buffalo hunts back when I started hunting Africa because it was what I could afford at the time. So yeah, the fence and the cars in the back ground aren't the most pure and remote experience but I know from experience, these hunts can be fun and exciting, especially for the price. I don't fault the hunter on that at all.

Where I think the thing goes south, and it's just my opinion as discussed before, is the use of a weapon not capable of handling the animal under all conditions. And that means the crossbow. I bow hunt from time to time. I get the concept of using the more restrictive weapon, but for the life of me, I don't understand hunting buffalo or elephant with a arrow. To each his own right up to the point someone else has to sort it out for you. At least the wounding hunter did accompany the guys tasked with cleaning up his mess instead of sitting in the truck up on the hill where the video was taken from.

Then further taking the event south was the choice of weapons used by the two shooters. Two scoped rifles, at least one in a questionable caliber? For back up weapons? Come on. The last RSA buff hunt I participated in, the PH showed up with a 30/06 topped with a fixed 6 power scope. He also wore white denim jeans the entire time. After we got our buff, he asked to shoot my double. Being a PH, I figured he knew about doubles so I said "sure, have a go". He proceeded to put two fingers on the two triggers and promptly doubled it. Gave himself a bloody nose with his trigger hand thumb over the top of the tang. I suspect he, along with the PH in this clip, are the 10 day wonders Doctari speaks about.

If I may quote Tony Sanchez "When a buffalo charges, no rifle is too big."

If the PH was using a .375, it would appear a .375 is not the best stopper.

MS would have sorted him out no doubt(provided the camera was rolling).

Nice head on the buff, though.

The guy in camo, fumbled around quite a bit after his first shot.

It was interesting to see the Jack Daniels terrier, grabbing hold of the tracker's leg, like it was trying to tell them not to go forward.

And that was fairly open ground. Imagine being in the jess with that buff.

BH63

I thought the dog was trying to mate with the tracker. Crazy situation.

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Originally posted by crane:
I thought the dog was trying to mate with the tracker. Crazy situation.

Looking for love in all the wrong places...

Both the back up guys had shots, and at close distance.

It wasn’t not enough gun, it wasn’t double vs magazine rifle, it was poor shot placement.

The way the two got in position and ready then shot shows it was a degree of a ineptitude there. As to bow hunting in this case- the ostensible reason for using a bow is to give the animal more chance to avoid you. If that’s the case, then ranch hunts seem to contradict your purpose.

It appears the buffalo was in thick stuff as they could not see it until it was basically on top of them. Zambezi delta is pretty wide open not really gonna have a situation like that. Granted they were walking in the open and if they were in a jungle situation it could of been much worse but that buff dove into the thickest stuff it could find as far as I can tell. When you are on your knees peering into bushes looking for a 1500 lb buffalo gotta be fairly think?? Especially at 25 yards or less

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
Probably not how you want to carry when following a wounded buff in the thick stuff

Not to be contrary, but THAT is NOT thick stuff!! That's pretty wide open IMHO.

As to doubles saving the day ... who knows. Both guys got off 2 shots BUT, with a double, it's possible the second shots could have been aimed more precisely if they didn't have to take time to work the bolt. That's the primary benefit of the double but you have to be proficient with it. Case in point being if the doubles didn't stop the bull, those follow on shots after contact would only have been possible in a timely manner if the guy was practiced at reloading it.

Anyway, lots of armchair quarterbacking going on, and some of the RSA ranch hunting snobbery to boot. Fact is guys, some folks who are interested in African hunting can only afford to do RSA. And that's fine. I'm glad there are options for different levels of financial expenditure. I did 3 of those RSA ranch buffalo hunts back when I started hunting Africa because it was what I could afford at the time. So yeah, the fence and the cars in the back ground aren't the most pure and remote experience but I know from experience, these hunts can be fun and exciting, especially for the price. I don't fault the hunter on that at all.

Where I think the thing goes south, and it's just my opinion as discussed before, is the use of a weapon not capable of handling the animal under all conditions. And that means the crossbow. I bow hunt from time to time. I get the concept of using the more restrictive weapon, but for the life of me, I don't understand hunting buffalo or elephant with a arrow. To each his own right up to the point someone else has to sort it out for you. At least the wounding hunter did accompany the guys tasked with cleaning up his mess instead of sitting in the truck up on the hill where the video was taken from.

Then further taking the event south was the choice of weapons used by the two shooters. Two scoped rifles, at least one in a questionable caliber? For back up weapons? Come on. The last RSA buff hunt I participated in, the PH showed up with a 30/06 topped with a fixed 6 power scope. He also wore white denim jeans the entire time. After we got our buff, he asked to shoot my double. Being a PH, I figured he knew about doubles so I said "sure, have a go". He proceeded to put two fingers on the two triggers and promptly doubled it. Gave himself a bloody nose with his trigger hand thumb over the top of the tang. I suspect he, along with the PH in this clip, are the 10 day wonders Doctari speaks about.[/QUOTE]

As for hunting DG with archery or crossbows I say do it with no backup. Then I will be impressed. Lol

Good points Todd on RSA buff hunts but my god the 10 day wonder experience may be more than you bargained for!

I will tell what.

If these clueless lot were actually after a wild wounded buffalo in really thick stuff, someone would have gotten very seriously hurt.

This was a very open country, and from the way they were going about it, they do not seem to have a clue!

Imagine them being in an area where one cannot see further than his barrel end!

Agreed lucky the bushes the buffalo was in was just a clump. They still had difficulty locating it and obviously stopping it. Luckily it was half dead

Hunting big solid Buffalo with Deer rifles the New Thrill Seekers Sport AWESOME ! wheres Chuck Connors ...........

This was very open country indeed.
They did a poor job of the whole follow up indeed. They had plenty of time to get a shot on target during the charge. They both missed hitting the vitals, and the PH fluffed his reload badly.....

A real cluster f##k indeed..

I wonder if the guy with the cellphone had an Infared attachment on it?

He seemed to be studying the ground at times.

BH63

Here we have a whole list of Monday morning quarterbacks, who it is evident most if ay has ever worked around domestic free range bulls! When he gets hurt of simply defensive, even when not wounded he will stomp your butt in the dust if you dont get away quick. I have had a horse gutted with me in the saddle by a brahma bull who just took issue with being forced to go through an open gate where he didn't want to go.

In this case the whole thing was screwed up form the outset. Not one of these people seemed to know what they were doing when following up a day old wound packing cape buffalo, and the damn fence had zero do with the outcome. A wounded cape buffalo is a dangerous animal no matter how many earrings he has. Hurt him and let him stew for 24 hours in pain and you better make every shot count when you find him, and with proper weapons better suited to a follow-up than two scoped bolt action rifles that are questionable calibers for stopping a wounded and in pain cape buffalo. The fact that this buff was in an enclosed hunting ranch has damn little to do with his ability to gore your butt when you get too close. The guy with the suppressed 30-06 is lucky he was not killed.
This is only my opinion but I doubt anyone in that group would know one end from the other of a REAL stopping rifle!

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Originally posted by MacD37:
and the damn fence had zero do with the outcome

The outcome was, in fact, guaranteed. Perhaps in the wild that buff would have taken off for miles, mixed his track with a thousand others (not going to happen on a ranch, is it?) and given them the slip.

Just the other day someone told me about a buff hunt in RSA where he wounded a buffalo and they went up looking for it in a helicopter.

Gotta agree with this. That bull headed for the only clump of bushes in the place I bet

It looks open to me. Why not take the truck?

That was such a hoot, dog practice humping tracker, lefty carrying rifle right-side hands in pockets and then when he did shoot what complete and utter fumbling way to reload using his right hand across to work the bolt while supporting the rifle by the wrist, jeeez!!!!!

I'm a lefty using only RH rifles but can empty a magazine accurately as quick as most righties can who take the rifle down off the shoulder as they reload (which most I've ever hunted with do).

So funny to watch, luckily no-one hurt, might be harsh to say but they deserved everything they might have got from that cluster fuck.

The best part of this video is the Jack Russell Terrier humping the Tracker several times. As if to make amends for his indescretion, the dog DID warn the party just before the buff charged. This was a classic “Circle Jerk”

From all the cape buffalo charges I’ve seen, IMO this buff seemed to be putting 70 to 80% into his charge. Did anyone else notice or just me. Also did the buff try to lay on the PH or did it die on him? It was hard to tell because of the angle.

Stealth hunt? With a crossbow for the shooting and a small bore suppressed rifle for back-up then the buffalo won't be able to hear what's stinging him.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MacD37:
and the damn fence had zero do with the outcome

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The outcome was, in fact, guaranteed. Perhaps in the wild that buff would have taken off for miles, mixed his track with a thousand others (not going to happen on a ranch, is it?) and given them the slip.

PERHAPS IF THE BUFF HAD BEEN IN A REAL HUNTING CONCESSION, HE WOULD HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT HE DID IN THIS FILM! IF THE DUMMIES WHO FOLLOWED HIM UP WITH PROPER RIFLES WHEN HE CHARGED HE WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN WITH NO CONTACT WITH THE JOKER SHOOTING WITH A LEFT HANDED SHOOTER AND A RIGHT HANDED 30-06 CAL RIFLE HAD BEEN USEING A PROPER RIFLE TO BEGIN WITH NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED! YA THINK?
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Hunting buff is better than sex!

BH63

It seems one of the participants in this unfortunate event almost got to partake in both of these activities.

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MacD37:
and the damn fence had zero do with the outcome

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The outcome was, in fact, guaranteed. Perhaps in the wild that buff would have taken off for miles, mixed his track with a thousand others (not going to happen on a ranch, is it?) and given them the slip.

PERHAPS IF THE BUFF HAD BEEN IN A REAL HUNTING CONCESSION, HE WOULD HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT HE DID IN THIS FILM! IF THE DUMMIES WHO FOLLOWED HIM UP WITH PROPER RIFLES WHEN HE CHARGED HE WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN WITH NO CONTACT WITH THE JOKER SHOOTING WITH A LEFT HANDED SHOOTER AND A RIGHT HANDED 30-06 CAL RIFLE HAD BEEN USEING A PROPER RIFLE TO BEGIN WITH NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED! YA THINK?
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Certainly could have turned out that way, but I have never had a PH in Tanzania (only place I have hunted buff) not properly equipped.

You say the fence has nothing to do with the outcome; it has everything to do with it, staring with the fact the farm owner can buy buffalo at an auction, let them loose, and then pretend he is a competent DG PH, to say nothing of the fact the buffalo, once wounded, had really no option to leave.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MacD37:
and the damn fence had zero do with the outcome

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The outcome was, in fact, guaranteed. Perhaps in the wild that buff would have taken off for miles, mixed his track with a thousand others (not going to happen on a ranch, is it?) and given them the slip.

PERHAPS IF THE BUFF HAD BEEN IN A REAL HUNTING CONCESSION, HE WOULD HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT HE DID IN THIS FILM! IF THE DUMMIES WHO FOLLOWED HIM UP WITH PROPER RIFLES WHEN HE CHARGED HE WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN WITH NO CONTACT WITH THE JOKER SHOOTING WITH A LEFT HANDED SHOOTER AND A RIGHT HANDED 30-06 CAL RIFLE HAD BEEN USEING A PROPER RIFLE TO BEGIN WITH NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED! YA THINK?
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Certainly could have turned out that way, but I have never had a PH in Tanzania (only place I have hunted buff) not properly equipped.

You say the fence has nothing to do with the outcome; it has everything to do with it, staring with the fact the farm owner can buy buffalo at an auction, let them loose, and then pretend he is a competent DG PH, to say nothing of the fact the buffalo, once wounded, had really no option to leave.

The size of the concession is not known here, and even if it were that has nothing to do with the stumble bums doing the follow-up! If this buffalo had been in the largest concession in Tanzania the problem was when the group encountered the cape buffalo who was wounded, and had been suffering for 24 hours after being shot with a cross bow. There was no fence behind the followers, nor was there a fence between the followers and the buffalo. If the same circumstances happened in the middle of Tanzania these dummies would have been hit just as hard, and their choice of follow-up weapons would have been the same. That buffalo was suffering for 24 hours before these stumble-bums show up with a right hand 30-06 right hand scoped rifle in the ands of a left hand shooter, and a scoped 375 h&H bolt rifle for a close quarters fight with a wounded cape buffalo, expecting to finish this fight, and almost did in this case.

Even the dog chose the wrong target for his choice of activity.
If these guys had been in the middle of 10,000 acres with no fence, the result would have been the same! CAPE BUFFALO ARE DANGEROUS,ESPECIALLY AFTER BEING SHOT WITH AN ARROW, AND LEFT TO SUFFER FOR 15 OR 20 HOURS THEN ENCOUNTERED BY A COUPLE OF DUMMIES~


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People keep talking about getting a vital shot in like the heart or lung shot I’m assuming. The majority of time you are not going to stop a charging buff unless you hit CNS. It’s not like a rhino or elephant where you can stun him or turn him with a non brain headshot

I think we were meaning the first shot. So none of this ever happens...

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Originally posted by MacD37:

That buffalo was suffering for 24 hours before these stumble-bums show up with a right hand 30-06 right hand scoped rifle in the hands of a left hand shooter

Now now Mac, nothing wrong with a leftie using a RH bolt gun, the problem here was the lefty was completely incompetent in using the RH bolt gun. I've never seen any lefty attempting to reload a bolt gun in that fashion as that guy did.

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Originally posted by eagle27:

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Originally posted by MacD37:

That buffalo was suffering for 24 hours before these stumble-bums show up with a right hand 30-06 right hand scoped rifle in the hands of a left hand shooter

Now now Mac, nothing wrong with a leftie using a RH bolt gun, the problem here was the lefty was completely incompetent in using the RH bolt gun. I've never seen any lefty attempting to reload a bolt gun in that fashion as that guy did.

Outside the rifle being a 30-06 caliber,scoped, and suppressed, my point exactly!

This same crew would have done exactly the same if the whole thing had happened in a real hunting concession. BLIND LEADING THE BLIND!

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Originally posted by shootaway:
That said I think a truly wild one would move even faster and be much stronger especially if he has to fight lions and deal with other such hardships.

At least it wasn't a cow. I understand that even the truly wild Cape buff cows just want to be patted on the head and hand fed. Is that what you have found, shootaway?

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Originally posted by maxenergy:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
That said I think a truly wild one would move even faster and be much stronger especially if he has to fight lions and deal with other such hardships.

At least it wasn't a cow. I understand that even the truly wild Cape buff cows just want to be patted on the head and hand fed. Is that what you have found, shootaway?

Show me that you are better and you are not just the wanker you appear to be.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by maxenergy:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
That said I think a truly wild one would move even faster and be much stronger especially if he has to fight lions and deal with other such hardships.

At least it wasn't a cow. I understand that even the truly wild Cape buff cows just want to be patted on the head and hand fed. Is that what you have found, shootaway?

Show me that you are better and you are not just the wanker you appear to be.

Did I touch a never, COWboy?