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Larry,

Let our friends know that we have moved the convention from Reno in 2021 to Vegas. 2022 will be our 50th Anniversary celebration and will be in Vegas. Then, we will have the 2023, 2024 and 2025convention in Nashville, 2026, 2028 & 2030 in New Orleans with 2027 and 2029 in either Nashville, New Orleans or Indianapolis.

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Hope you are doing well my friend and look forward to seeing you soon.

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Interesting and a positive change of direction, except...

Indianapolis?!???!!!?!??! Huh? Was someone drunk when they thought of Indianapolis?
 
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Well, I guess it is in a more central location.
 
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I don't know anything about the new locations but I am glad that 2021 will be in Vegas.I guess they were disappointed with attendance at Reno.
 
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No offense Mark, but I much prefer Nashville these days.
 
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Ross,

No offense taken. I'm looking forward to Nashville but Las Vegas is absolutely perfect for me as a resident and exhibitor. A LOT of attendees love it also.

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I'm with Mark. tu2 I would be surprised if the exhibitors don't quickly tire of all of the moving around, especially those that store large amounts of exhibit materials here in the U.S. SCI needs to quit putting nails in its own coffin. SCI originally held its first convention in Las Vegas and it should have been permanently left in Las Vegas. Friends of mine here in Vegas helped with the first convention, which was quite small with about a dozen exhibitors. One of the reasons that DSC has been and continues to be successful is that it is permanently in one city, and the participants and exhibitors can count on that. Of course, cost of the DSC convention is another. . . . . . Big Grin
 
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I have to agree that Vegas is the best venue for it. I'll bet we see a return to Vegas soon. Again!
 
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Sci needs to stay in one place,Vegas. I'm in the car wash business and ICA changes their location every year.Money is under the table on these deals. I quit following ICA and SCI will be next. Dallas here I come !
 
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I hope it is in the Mandalay Bay in 2021.
 
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No matter what, someone will be unhappy.

Personally, I like Vegas. Many don’t.
 
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Larry,

You can put me at the top of the unhappy column. I greatly prefer Reno but Vegas is better than the other options!


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Looking forward to the show in Nashville, 30 min drive.
 
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I guess that about ends Convention attending for me. 18 years is enough I guess? Hopping all over the Country to attend isn't my cup of tea. Enjoy.
 
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I'm with Mark. tu2 I would be surprised if the exhibitors don't quickly tire of all of the moving around, especially those that store large amounts of exhibit materials here in the U.S. SCI needs to quit putting nails in its own coffin. SCI originally held its first convention in Las Vegas and it should have been permanently left in Las Vegas. Friends of mine here in Vegas helped with the first convention, which was quite small with about a dozen exhibitors. One of the reasons that DSC has been and continues to be successful is that it is permanently in one city, and the participants and exhibitors can count on that. Of course, cost of the DSC convention is another. . . . . . Big Grin


I recall that maybe 7 years ago or so that they had planned to have it in Dallas, which would help out those problems for exhibitors... How stupid was that? Im glad they wisened up.


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In the final analysis, they had to do something. This years show was a disaster. Some hate Reno. Some hate Vegas. The issue is far more complex than that. The issue is how to get the most people through the door who will spend money.

One issue is the travel. The people from the east have a lot of travel to get to Nevada. In Reno, there is the issue of weather. I read Larry Sellers comment about no longer going because of the travel. Guess what? That is what I have been doing for over 30 years. Will a more central location bring more people? Time will tell.

The reality is that many spouses do not like the show . There had to be an incentive to bring them. In other words something for them to do that they would enjoy.

Vegas has a lot to do. It is expensive for the exhibitors. Many complain about people doing these other things rather than going to the show .

I suspect these locations had something to do with spouses and costs . That is an educated guess on my part. For whatever it is worth, this is kind of like what the NRA does. They move every year.
 
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No matter where attendee's like going most, there is nothing worst IMO than seeing the convention floor and booths empty.
 
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Outside of Vegas, Nashville is probably the best of all things. Lots for spouses to do, easy to navigate, and good convention facilities.

Indy is actually a great convention location from a facilities, ease of getting around, hotels, and food standpoint. But there isn't much else to do unless you really like car racing.

Vegas is good, but I can see SCI not being thrilled with the facility charges there. They have raised them a lot in the last 10 years. Several manufacturing trade shows that I attend moved from there due to cost alone.

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Outside of Vegas, Nashville is probably the best of all things. Lots for spouses to do, easy to navigate, and good convention facilities.

Indy is actually a great convention location from a facilities, ease of getting around, hotels, and food standpoint. But there isn't much else to do unless you really like car racing.

Vegas is good, but I can see SCI not being thrilled with the facility charges there. They have raised them a lot in the last 10 years. Several manufacturing trade shows that I attend moved from there due to cost alone.

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Interesting that you say that . I just spoke to some last week who was rattling off some of the charges in Vegas. They were eye opening. Unbelievable actually.
 
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If that is the case and it is extremely expensive to hold a convention in Vegas where all the crooks there have to be paid then I don't blame them for looking elsewhere.
 
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I myself am thrilled about the change... This has been a raging debate for at least the last 10yrs that I have been on the SCI BOD. Like many others, I have always felt that the cost of travel prohibited many from being able to attend. If SCI is to appeal to the "rank and file" deer hunters and swell membership they not only need to deliver value to that demographic but also accessibility.

I have always enjoyed Reno (its the mountains for me)but it is PITA to get to. I cannot stand Vegas anymore (I lived there in the early 90s) and it is, as others have accurately stated, very expensive in all aspects - food, lodging, activities and especially event labor and general venue logistics.

Stop and think about the proximity to our core demographic from Nashville for example. You have large populations of hunters all within driving distance - something we sadly longer have in Nevada.. I'm not knocking the western states but in sheer numbers of hunters as a percentage of the population, states like Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Missouri and so on are significant..

Not everyone can take multiple days of vacation, afford airline tickets and hotels to go to a hunting show. I have met many that would go if they could group up to drive there and stay overnite a day or two at at reasonable hotel rate.

There IS much more SCI needs to evaluate - show entry fees, membership benefits, the Trophy Book situation, etc.. But I for one feel this is a huge step in the right direction!

While I do not personally know Laird beyond a few short conversations over drinks, I have sat in many BOD and various committee meetings with him - enough to believe he is the right individual for the job and the recent changes in direction at SCI are to me, proof positive...


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Outside of Vegas, Nashville is probably the best of all things. Lots for spouses to do, easy to navigate, and good convention facilities.

Indy is actually a great convention location from a facilities, ease of getting around, hotels, and food standpoint. But there isn't much else to do unless you really like car racing.

Vegas is good, but I can see SCI not being thrilled with the facility charges there. They have raised them a lot in the last 10 years. Several manufacturing trade shows that I attend moved from there due to cost alone.

Jeremy


Interesting that you say that . I just spoke to some last week who was rattling off some of the charges in Vegas. They were eye opening. Unbelievable actually.


I am on the Educational Programs Committee for the American Association of Equine Practitioners. We have a 10,000 attendee convention every year and move it around the country based on a 5 year plan. We do a survey with the membership each year to get feedback to pick venues.

We have it in Las Vegas every 10 years or so and usually in Mandalay Bay. Las Vegas is popular to our membership...second only to San Antonio.

That said...the reason we don’t go there more...is cost! It is unbelievably more expensive than most all other convention venues large enough to hold our attendance.

The convention is profitable to the organization...but when in Vegas...you have to be careful to not loose money.


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I would have suggested San Antonio, but you have the Dallas and Houston already.
 
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I don't believe anyone is losing money...breaking even in exchange for other benefits, yes.Las Vegas is a major recreational/entertainment area-one can actually go out and walk around, and not some hole downtown in some large city.
 
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I really thought Vegas was easy to get to the one year I attended. Couldn't go to Reno last year due to work commitments, or this coming year due to my wife being due 2/10 with our second kiddo. Maybe 2021.....
 
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"In the final analysis, they had to do something. This years show was a disaster."

Larry- not for everyone -
A friend of mine who owns and operates a high fence exotic ranch near Hondo sold out all his hunts! Some clients actually followed him back to Texas and began hunting right away. I was there later in May and there were still many large trophy critters from bison to water buffalo - even some big kudu.


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Nashville will be great. The NRA convention there a few years back was universally popular among both exhibitors and attendees. Only problem with Nashville is that it has some of the highest hotel prices in the U.S.
 
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I don't believe anyone is losing money...breaking even in exchange for other benefits, yes.Las Vegas is a major recreational/entertainment area-one can actually go out and walk around, and not some hole downtown in some large city.


Plenty of people sold nothing.
 
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If SCI is to appeal to the "rank and file" deer hunters and swell membership they not only need to deliver value to that demographic but also accessibility.


I beg to differ. I am a Life Member of SCI and a Benefactor Member of the NRA. SCI is not, and has never been DSC nor the NRA. SCI has NEVER appealed to "rank and file deer hunters", like DSC and the NRA has. Nor have they ever made it possible financially for the "rank and file deer hunters" to attend their conventions like DSC or the NRA has. You are unfortunately comparing apples to oranges. So, changing venues like changing underwear and making it more difficult on the vendors/exhibitors is not going to be the ultimate answer, in my opinion. Changing the real life costs, expenses and accessibility to SCI's Convention in relation to the "rank and file deer hunters" is a bigger key to SCI's ability to survive. Time will tell, but I believe that they are not addressing the core issues. The SCI Convention lost attendance and significant money flipping it back to Reno, and panic set in thereafter. Why would running the SCI Convention all over the United States, making it hard for vendors and exhibitors, be the panecea now, if the "rank and file deer hunters" are still required to pay an ARM AND A LEG to attend a MEMBERS ONLY convention? Do you seriously think that membership is going to swell based upon moving the convention like they have planned? Look at the real issues people. Damn, I'm afraid that somebody's got their head up their ass. Does anyone really believe that the SCI BOD is looking at swelling the convention with "rank and file deer hunters" by changing venues like they have planned without making significant financial changes to membership and convention costs? Good luck-you'll need all you can get. And then there's the issue of the required financial/hunt donation 'contributions' that SCI makes of their vendors/exhibitors, the so-called awards program, and the list goes on and on. And as it does, DSC looks better and better to the majority of hunting/fishing convention vendors/exhibitors and attendees.
 
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As was reported in January, the SCI show was a disaster according to many exhibitors. We don’t go to SCI, but had one of the best conventions in Dallas.


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Should always be Vegas.

For the crowd sci wants to attract Vegas is the place. Good hotels, good flights, entertainment, ect.

Reno made little sense.

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Nashville will be great. The NRA convention there a few years back was universally popular among both exhibitors and attendees. Only problem with Nashville is that it has some of the highest hotel prices in the U.S.


Only in about a 2 mile radius...we are adding numerous properties daily and just a tiny bit outside that radius it's fine. Nashville is an "IT Place" with tons to do and easy to get to..
WAY Superior to RENO
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If they want people to attend charge $20 a day not the ridiculous amount they currently charge. Yes, I pay it. Many of my friends don’t.

I will attend Reno and Vegas but will not be attending at the other locations.
 
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If SCI is to appeal to the "rank and file" deer hunters and swell membership they not only need to deliver value to that demographic but also accessibility.


I beg to differ. I am a Life Member of SCI and a Benefactor Member of the NRA. SCI is not, and has never been DSC nor the NRA. SCI has NEVER appealed to "rank and file deer hunters", like DSC and the NRA has. Nor have they ever made it possible financially for the "rank and file deer hunters" to attend their conventions like DSC or the NRA has. You are unfortunately comparing apples to oranges. So, changing venues like changing underwear and making it more difficult on the vendors/exhibitors is not going to be the ultimate answer, in my opinion. Changing the real life costs, expenses and accessibility to SCI's Convention in relation to the "rank and file deer hunters" is a bigger key to SCI's ability to survive. Time will tell, but I believe that they are not addressing the core issues. The SCI Convention lost attendance and significant money flipping it back to Reno, and panic set in thereafter. Why would running the SCI Convention all over the United States, making it hard for vendors and exhibitors, be the panecea now, if the "rank and file deer hunters" are still required to pay an ARM AND A LEG to attend a MEMBERS ONLY convention? Do you seriously think that membership is going to swell based upon moving the convention like they have planned? Look at the real issues people. Damn, I'm afraid that somebody's got their head up their ass. Does anyone really believe that the SCI BOD is looking at swelling the convention with "rank and file deer hunters" by changing venues like they have planned without making significant financial changes to membership and convention costs? Good luck-you'll need all you can get. And then there's the issue of the required financial/hunt donation 'contributions' that SCI makes of their vendors/exhibitors, the so-called awards program, and the list goes on and on. And as it does, DSC looks better and better to the majority of hunting/fishing convention vendors/exhibitors and attendees.


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If SCI is to appeal to the "rank and file" deer hunters and swell membership they not only need to deliver value to that demographic but also accessibility.


I beg to differ. I am a Life Member of SCI and a Benefactor Member of the NRA. SCI is not, and has never been DSC nor the NRA. SCI has NEVER appealed to "rank and file deer hunters", like DSC and the NRA has. Nor have they ever made it possible financially for the "rank and file deer hunters" to attend their conventions like DSC or the NRA has. You are unfortunately comparing apples to oranges. So, changing venues like changing underwear and making it more difficult on the vendors/exhibitors is not going to be the ultimate answer, in my opinion. Changing the real life costs, expenses and accessibility to SCI's Convention in relation to the "rank and file deer hunters" is a bigger key to SCI's ability to survive. Time will tell, but I believe that they are not addressing the core issues. The SCI Convention lost attendance and significant money flipping it back to Reno, and panic set in thereafter. Why would running the SCI Convention all over the United States, making it hard for vendors and exhibitors, be the panecea now, if the "rank and file deer hunters" are still required to pay an ARM AND A LEG to attend a MEMBERS ONLY convention? Do you seriously think that membership is going to swell based upon moving the convention like they have planned? Look at the real issues people. Damn, I'm afraid that somebody's got their head up their ass. Does anyone really believe that the SCI BOD is looking at swelling the convention with "rank and file deer hunters" by changing venues like they have planned without making significant financial changes to membership and convention costs? Good luck-you'll need all you can get. And then there's the issue of the required financial/hunt donation 'contributions' that SCI makes of their vendors/exhibitors, the so-called awards program, and the list goes on and on. And as it does, DSC looks better and better to the majority of hunting/fishing convention vendors/exhibitors and attendees.



You’re right - they never have appealed to the rank and file. But that doesn’t mean they never can..

As I stated, there are many other issues, what I believe is at least this is a step in the right direction..

They need the membership and we need them to have the membership. Larger member rolls translate to a larger voice - more influence on policy and politics..

The NRA does many things I dislike immensely but I am still a life member...


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Larry,
That is unfortunate and does not bode well for the show or the exhibitors. Surely the show team has carefully analyzed the results and determined what made some booths do well (like my friend) and others do poorly. Surely it is not JUST the attendance head count.
Before I retired, I was involved in the use of trade show booth marketing for two different companies and e used consultants to help optimize show results; glad to be done with that!

Thank you for starting this thread as it has become quite interesting and should be read by the SCI folks managing the trade show side of the business. You can bet the DSC folk have found it interesting also.


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I don't believe anyone is losing money...breaking even in exchange for other benefits, yes.Las Vegas is a major recreational/entertainment area-one can actually go out and walk around, and not some hole downtown in some large city.


Plenty of people sold nothing/QUOTE]

I was referring to the Vegas conventions.If anyone lost money exhibiting in or hosting a convention, it would be highly unlikely for them to repeat it.
As for the other two proposed locations unless attendees are convinced that those conventions will be healthy in attendance,I don't see them eager to attend.
 
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