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Originally posted by Duckear:

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Originally posted by Saeed:



........The "awards" might have started on as a good cause.

But, I can assure you they have become a stupid MINE IS BIGGER than yours race.....

....They have made it into a competition, and that is where everything has fallen apart.

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Rowland Ward and their 'records' predate SCI by almost 100 years.

Save the idle rich, a competitive spirit is what drives most of those professionally that also enjoy international hunting. It is a bit disingenuous to think that personality type can check their ego at the door on a dime.

The awards are a bit silly, but they are what, sadly, pays the bills.

The fix is not gonna be overnight.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
What I find odd is SCIs members are more affluent. They are willing to pay for these awards. We preach about how we care and are the red line between animals and habbitat slipping into the ethos.

Yet, to raise revenue members have to pay for trinkets like we you were a child buying cereal to get the toy.

I would think members would be willing to make up the lost revenue in donations to cause. They would spend, and are spending, the money any way on the awards.

I refuse to think SCI members are so shallow they will only pay for awards and not provide those funds without a shiny object.

I like the governor tag idea. However, any state participating will want a cut of the take.

They could do rifle auctions. I know when USRAs were getting geared up to open the custom shop and launch the Classic line. The USRA custom shop auctioned some controlled round feed new Model 70s. They brought well into 6 figures.

They could host real, pro inventional shooting competitions taking a cut of the purse/entry free.

The "awards" might have started on as a good cause.

But, I can assure you they have become a stupid MINE IS BIGGER than yours race.

A whole industry has sprung up in South Africa by criminals who capture animals and transport them, and sell them, as wild animals so some classless, non hunter can have his name in a record book.

They have made it into a competition, and that is where everything has fallen apart.

All one has to do is search the names of the "professional" hunters who have provided an incredible number of record book entries.

We all know a good trophy does not come every day.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
What I find odd is SCIs members are more affluent. They are willing to pay for these awards. We preach about how we care and are the red line between animals and habbitat slipping into the ethos.

Yet, to raise revenue members have to pay for trinkets like we you were a child buying cereal to get the toy.

I would think members would be willing to make up the lost revenue in donations to cause. They would spend, and are spending, the money any way on the awards.

I refuse to think SCI members are so shallow they will only pay for awards and not provide those funds without a shiny object.

I like the governor tag idea. However, any state participating will want a cut of the take.

They could do rifle auctions. I know when USRAs were getting geared up to open the custom shop and launch the Classic line. The USRA custom shop auctioned some controlled round feed new Model 70s. They brought well into 6 figures.

They could host real, pro inventional shooting competitions taking a cut of the purse/entry free.

The "awards" might have started on as a good cause.

But, I can assure you they have become a stupid MINE IS BIGGER than yours race.

A whole industry has sprung up in South Africa by criminals who capture animals and transport them, and sell them, as wild animals so some classless, non hunter can have his name in a record book.

They have made it into a competition, and that is where everything has fallen apart.

All one has to do is search the names of the "professional" hunters who have provided an incredible number of record book entries.

We all know a good trophy does not come every day.

I see absolutely no redeeming quality in the awards.

I can see the record book being a source of valuable information. There is little doubt that some record book entries have the same motivation as the awards.

The record book can be a valuable source of taxonomic information. It is my understanding that it is now possible to enter the an animal in the record book but not one’s name . Thus, the taxonomic information is recorded. Those who say the record book is all ego just got blown out of the water when the name is not entered.

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All one had to do is get on a plane as soon as he gets a phone call that "his trophy" is all tied up and ready to be slaughtered, measured and entered in the book!

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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All one had to do is get on a plane as soon as he gets a phone call that "his trophy" is all tied up and ready to be slaughtered, measured and entered in the book!

In some cases the "trophy" was measured prior to the slaughter so the "hunter" knew he was guaranteed the desired size and the award for his strenuous achievement!

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Originally posted by larryshores:
You all are no doubt correct. I have seen that behavior myself. Not everyone did that though.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Isn't there a fee to have an animal/self put into the SCI trophy book?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Isn't there a fee to have an animal/self put into the SCI trophy book?

I think there is.

But, when a Wall Street crook pays $100,000 to kill a buffalo in an enclosure, what are a few dollars matter??

These guys live in a totally different world to us.

Most of us hunt because we enjoy it.

These ones kill to enter a record book.

Hunting means nothing to them!

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Originally posted by Poyntman:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Isn't there a fee to have an animal/self put into the SCI trophy book?

I think there is.

But, when a Wall Street crook pays $100,000 to kill a buffalo in an enclosure, what are a few dollars matter??

These guys live in a totally different world to us.

Most of us hunt because we enjoy it.

These ones kill to enter a record book.

Hunting means nothing to them!

The World Record Kudu is in a 40 acre paddock right now in Limpopo SA....I meant to go in and take a picture..he is 73" I think (if I remember correctly) and wasn't quite done growing. They were "shopping" him I believe and were thinking someone would pay $100,000 to kill him to claim the World Record on a glamorous species...
I would have actually like to have seen such an animal in person.

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Originally posted by deadibob:
I don't think there is any denying that SCI hasn't been very efficient with it's funds. I would like to hear the definition of running it like a business. After all SCI isn't a business, but a 501c4 charity.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by deadibob:
I don't think there is any denying that SCI hasn't been very efficient with it's funds. I would like to hear the definition of running it like a business. After all SCI isn't a business, but a 501c4 charity.

With revenues of $21.6 million in their last fiscal year, if SCI isn’t run like a business, it is a recipe for disaster.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by deadibob:
I don't think there is any denying that SCI hasn't been very efficient with it's funds. I would like to hear the definition of running it like a business. After all SCI isn't a business, but a 501c4 charity.

With revenues of $21.6 million in their last fiscal year, if SCI isn’t run like a business, it is a recipe for disaster.

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Originally posted by deadibob:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by deadibob:
I don't think there is any denying that SCI hasn't been very efficient with it's funds. I would like to hear the definition of running it like a business. After all SCI isn't a business, but a 501c4 charity.

With revenues of $21.6 million in their last fiscal year, if SCI isn’t run like a business, it is a recipe for disaster.

There is no denying that SCI has perfected the disaster recipe which you mention. My point is, that it isn't run like a business. Neither is it run like a charity. It is run like a crooked crony-charity and that's why everyone is jumping ship, faster than they did the titanic.

SCI has not only killed and cooked the Golden Goose, they have also milked the family cow so dry, that there is nothing left to do but cook her too

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by deadibob:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by deadibob:
I don't think there is any denying that SCI hasn't been very efficient with it's funds. I would like to hear the definition of running it like a business. After all SCI isn't a business, but a 501c4 charity.

With revenues of $21.6 million in their last fiscal year, if SCI isn’t run like a business, it is a recipe for disaster.

There is no denying that SCI has perfected the disaster recipe which you mention. My point is, that it isn't run like a business. Neither is it run like a charity. It is run like a crooked crony-charity and that's why everyone is jumping ship, faster than they did the titanic.

SCI has not only killed and cooked the Golden Goose, they have also milked the family cow so dry, that there is nothing left to do but cook her too

Well, they are far from broke. Perhaps you should check out their audited numbers:

https://www.safariclub.org/sit...atement_SCI_FY18.pdf

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Originally posted by larryshores:
For those questioning whether anything would change with Laird at the helm, it just been announced that the date of the convention has changed. It is now in February. This was Laird’s first change.

This averted what would surely have been a disaster.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Not for long.