Don't do it guys.

http://www.reuters.com/article...dUSBRE96M0BF20130723

C'Est l' Afrique

Damn shame to see Moz slide back into the abyss.....but I think it is inevitable in Africa....


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Originally posted by JTEX:
Damn shame to see Moz slide back into the abyss.....but I think it is inevitable in Africa....


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I dont think it will happen. I look forward to hearing reports from some 2013 Moz safaris.

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Damn shame to see Moz slide back into the abyss.....but I think it is inevitable in Africa....


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I dont think it will happen. I look forward to hearing reports from some 2013 Moz safaris.

Me too. I think Tim Herald is there now. I'm going to Moz with him next August as well.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Safari2:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Damn shame to see Moz slide back into the abyss.....but I think it is inevitable in Africa....


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I dont think it will happen. I look forward to hearing reports from some 2013 Moz safaris.

Me too. I think Tim Herald is there now. I'm going to Moz with him next August as well.

We head over in June 2014 and are planning on driving in from Pemba so hopefully things will settle down.

First off the area affected is a relatively small area in Sofala Province (Central). Anyone headed to Niassa should have no problems. I believe Greg Brownlee has several clients in Niassa right now and more headed to Moz. I am sure Greg will have reports soon. ZDS and Marromeu are conducting successful safaris in 2013 as well.

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Originally posted by Safari2:
First off the area affected is a relatively small area in Sofala Province (Central). Anyone headed to Niassa should have no problems. I believe Greg Brownlee has several clients in Niassa right now and more headed to Moz. I am sure Greg will have reports soon. ZDS and Marromeu are conducting successful safaris in 2013 as well.

Yessir, we just had a family of 4 in the Niassa come and go without issue, and have a group of 3 who arrived in camp today without issue. I'll keep you posted if anything stirs, but so far everything is as usual.

Just got back from a couple of good hunts on south side of Cahorra Bassa. Clients got good buff and leopard.

clients came in through Tete airport, and I drove back through Zim (border control/attitude much improved) and there was no problems whatsoever,

I was walking in the market in marrameu last year and walked by the Renamo HQ. Flag was at half mast and a dozen or so were in the courtyard having some sort of ceremony. I kinda snuck over to snap some pics and a few gave me the stink eye. I kept moving lest I incur the wrath of some of the opposition. Got a few good pics though.

And from what I read Renamo is the good side

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
I was walking in the market in marrameu last year and walked by the Renamo HQ. Flag was at half mast and a dozen or so were in the courtyard having some sort of ceremony. I kinda snuck over to snap some pics and a few gave me the stink eye. I kept moving lest I incur the wrath of some of the opposition. Got a few good pics though.

And from what I read Renamo is the good side

The is/was no good side. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambican_Civil_War

"RENAMO systematically committed war crimes and crimes against humanity as part of its destabilization strategy. These include mass killing, rape and mutilation of non-combatants during terroristic raids on villages and towns, the use of child soldiers and the employment of the Gandira system, based upon forced labour and sexual violence. Often women would be apprehended while out in the fields, then raped as a means to boost troop moral. Gandira caused widespread starvation among the rural population due to the little time left to produce food for themselves. This caused more and more persons to be physically unable to endure the long transportation marches demanded from them. Refusing to participate in Gandira or falling behind on the marches resulted in severe beating and often execution.[14] Flight attempts were also punished harshly. One particularly gruesome practice was the mutilation and killing of children left behind by escaped parents.[15][16]

RENAMO crimes gained worldwide public attention when RENAMO soldiers butchered 424 civilians, including the patients of a hospital, with guns and machetes during a raid on the rural town of Homoine.[17] This incident prompted an investigation into RENAMO methods by US-State Department consultant Robert Gersony, which finally put an end to conservative ambitions for US-government support for RENAMO.[18] The report concluded that RENAMO's actions in Homoine did not significantly differ from the tactics it normally employed in such raids. These methods are described in the report in the following way:

"The attack stage was sometimes reported to begin with what appeared to the inhabitants to be the indiscriminate firing of automatic weapons by a substantial force of attacking RENAMO combatants. […] Reportedly the Government soldiers aim their defensive fire at the attackers, while the RENAMO forces shoot indiscriminately into the village. In some cases refugees perceived that the attacking force had divided into three detachments: one conducts the military attack; another enters houses and removes valuables, mainly clothing, radios, food, pots and other possessions; a third moves through the looted houses with pieces of burning thatch setting fire to the houses in the village. There were several reports that schools and health clinics are typical targets for destruction. The destruction of the village as a viable entity appears to be the main objective of such attacks. This type of attack causes several types of civilian casualties. As is normal in guerrilla warfare, some civilians are killed in crossfire between the two opposing forces, although this tends in the view of the refugees to account for only a minority of the deaths. A larger number of civilians in these attacks and other contexts were reported to be victims of purposeful shooting deaths and executions, of axing, knifing, bayoneting, burning to death, forced drowning and asphyxiation, and other forms of murder where no meaningful resistance or defense is present. Eyewitness accounts indicate that when civilians are killed in these indiscriminate attacks, whether against defended or undefended villages, children, often together with mothers and elderly people, are also killed. Varying numbers of civilian victims in each attack were reported to be rounded up and abducted [...]."[19]
Thus it appears the only difference between the Homoine massacre and RENAMO's usual methods was the size of the operation. Normally RENAMO would choose smaller, easier targets instead of attacking a town defended by some 90 government soldiers.[20]

According to the Gersony Report, RENAMO's transgressions were far more systematic, widespread and grave than FRELIMO's: the refugees interviewed for the Gersony Report attributed 94% of the murders, 94% of the abductions and 93% of the lootings to RENAMO.[21] However, this conclusion has been disputed by the French Marxist scholar Michel Cahen, who states that both sides were equally to blame:

There can be no doubt that the war was largely one fought against civilians... I am also convinced that the war was equally savage on both sides, even if the total domination of the media by FRELIMO for the 15 years of the war has led even those most desirous of remaining objective to attribute the majority of the atrocities to RENAMO. The people themselves were not duped: they attributed various acts of banditry and certain massacres to "RENAMO 1," but others to "RENAMO 2" – the euphemistic term for FRELIMO soldiers and militiamen acting on their own.[22]
Rudolph Rummel estimated the democide of the RENAMO rebels between 1975 and 1987 to be at least 125,000 killed."

My own opinion isn't worth any more than anyone else's but FWIW, I don't think it'll kick off quickly if at all so no immediate need to panic and if it does kick off, I reckon the outfitters will have plenty of time and the common sense to take appropriate action well before it does.

Thanks I stand corrected. Good thing I did not piss them off too much. I thought they were the anti-communist


Also sounds like both sides were pretty bad