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I was not going to add anything to this thread in the hopes of it dying off, but now I must.

Craig you are definitely a class act. Anyone who respond so intelligently to such mud-slinging and remain above it definitely deserves respect.


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I was not going to add anything to this thread in the hopes of it dying off, but now I must.

Craig you are definitely a class act. Anyone who respond so intelligently to such mud-slinging and remain above it definitely deserves respect.


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What a class act, and a true gracious, Gentleman.

Mr. Boddington I wish the best for your daughter and hope the tracker makes good on his recovery.

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P.s. I sure do look forward to Tracks across Africa every week. Ya'll keep up the good work.
 
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Here's a little creed I had to learn back in my college days...Jdollar and JudgeG know it also. I think it describes Craig Boddington very well:

THE TRUE GENTLEMAN

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds from good will and an acute sense
of propriety, and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies; who does not make the poor
man conscious of his poverty, the obscure man of his obscurity, or any man of his inferiority (adrook) or deformity; who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another; who does not flatter wealth, cringe before power, or boast of his own possessions or achievements; who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy; whose deed follows his word; who thinks of the rights and feelings of others, rather than his own; and who appears well in any company, a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.
 
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Very fitting. I like that a lot. Who said or wrote that?

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Very fitting. I like that a lot. Who said or wrote that?

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adrook

To answer you first post in this thread, I can only answer for my own revious posts, but I do not bash anyone here.

Craig B, my good wishes to all of those involved.

By reading the Police statements I would not classify this as an accident.
Rather it is an incident, where everything did not come out perfect, but everydone did survive.

In the real world, in dangerous situations, things happen fast, and you can only ACT on what you know, or you can choose NOT TO ACT At ALL.

Most often, NOT ACTING AT ALL, causes more bad things to happen, than ACTING ON WHAT YOU KNOW.

While I was not there I would not sit here and say that ANYBODY did anything wrong.

To me that would be Hypocrisy.

Part of my job was to deal with Dangerous animal escapes, and the training of those involved.
I do IF I was being savaged by a Dangerous animal I would want somebody do do "some shooting".

Baised on her Police statement If I had known what she knew at the time, I would have been shooting too.

Those of you that have doubts, think of this, when you are being savaged by a leopard, you just might be one bite away from death.


Remember it is DANGEROUS GAME.
EVERYBODY SURVIVED.

To be involved would be GLORYIOUS.


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Here's a little creed I had to learn back in my college days...Jdollar and JudgeG know it also. I think it describes Craig Boddington very well:

THE TRUE GENTLEMAN

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds from good will and an acute sense
of propriety, and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies; who does not make the poor
man conscious of his poverty, the obscure man of his obscurity, or any man of his inferiority (adrook) or deformity; who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another; who does not flatter wealth, cringe before power, or boast of his own possessions or achievements; who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy; whose deed follows his word; who thinks of the rights and feelings of others, rather than his own; and who appears well in any company, a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.


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Brittany's Dad, Craig Boddington here. I didn't really want to get into this discussion--I don't like namecalling, and although most of you are great guys and have been very supportive, I've been called plenty of names over the years in this forum. Which, by the way, is your right.

I do want to add a couple of things. First, the situation that started this doesn't belong to me. It is relative only to my daughter, who is young but a grownup woman. She is not as experienced as I am, or as many of you, but she has something like ten safaris under her belt. She shoots well and accurately, and has repeatedly demonstrated coolness in the face of dangerous game. All that said, a very bad thing happened.

I was not there, nor were any of you. The incident belongs entirely to her and the rest of the party, including Punki who, as of yesterday, is out of Intensive Care, was walking around his hospital room, joking with the nurses, and doing chinups so he can stay in shape and, in due time, keep up with his dogs again. Thank God!

Andy (adrook) obviously doesn't like me. That is his right. None of us can please all of the people all of the time, although I wish it were so. It does bother me that his hatred of me, for whatever reason, seems to have been transferred to my daughter, who, depending on the circumstances, is either blessed or cursed with my last name and perhaps some measure of my genes.

However, I would also defend his right to an opinion. It is easy to Monday-morning quarterback these things--it is more difficult to live them. I was 1000 miles away in the Zambezi Valley when the incident happened. My daughter was doing a leopard hunt on her own, and I believed she could handle it because of her own experience, and because her PH, Nic Kruger, is one of the most experienced "leopard with dogs" hunters in Namibia. The houndsman who was injured, Punki, is himself a great guy and perhaps THE MOST EXPERIENCED leopard-with-hounds hunter in Africa. He is 41 years old, in great shape, and he has been hunting leopards with hounds for 25 years. It is his passion as well as his job.
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hen I got the call my first thought, admittedly, was for my daughter's safety. My second thought was for Punki's recovery, which at that moment was in doubt. My third thought, having almost no facts regarding the situation, was not too dissimilar from Andy's. My daughter is a very safe hunter and she shoots quickly, coolly, and well. How could she have taken a shot that resulted in injury to Punki? I taught her better than that! How could Nic Kruger, in whose hands I trusted my daughter's well-being, allow such a thing to happen? How could Punki, who has successfully "run" leopards into the hundreds, and who fully understands all the dangers, put himself in such a position?

It took me 36 hours to scramble a charter, get to Harare, then Jo'Burg, and then Windhoek. Although my first concern was to ascertain Punki's condition and lend support to Brittany, by the time I got there I was angry, and my intention was to deliver a good old Marine Corps dressing-down to both Nic and Brittany. Fortunately I kept my mouth shut until I had read the statements. I also have an advantage you do not have; I saw photos of the accident site, including a partial recreation, done for the police if required. After examining this evidence, I had, and still have, absolutely nothing further to say. There is simply no blame to place.

All accidents are avoidable, and most accidents require a chain of circumstances, not just one, to create a serious incident. This was a very unfortunate chain of events that culminated in about 2.75 seconds of insanity. All involved could have done things differently, and I'm sure all are Monday-morning-quarterbacking themselves. Realistically, however, my sense based on all the evidence is that no one did anything wrong. All involved could have done things just slightly differently for several seconds, minutes, even hours, before the accident and avoided the tragic result, but once into the mess I'm not sure anyone reading this, including myself, would have done anything differently. It was as confusing and just as fast as any firefight, and you simply cannot believe how thick it was where this leopard chose to make his stand. All concerned must live with the incident, and I'm sure that all will attempt to do things slightly differently in the future. But the fact is, it happened. I greatly appreciate the clear understanding that most of you have shown, which suggests to me this is a very astute and well-experience group. Under Saeed's leadership this is a very powerful forum, and I thought it was important to give you guys the straight scoop as quickly as possible, so as to avoid rumors and multiple versions. I am very grateful to all of you for your comments, and now let's let the subject rest and get on to serious Boddington (Craig, that is!) bashing.
With best regards to all, Craig Boddington



Craig,

Thank you for your gracious response. First, I want to say that I don't hate you and I certainly do not hate your daughter. I'm glad that she was not injured and that her tracker is recovering.

I am told that all of the crap being flung on here is my fault as I started it by posting an opinion that was in disagreement with the resident lynch mob. So be it. I hope nothing that I posted has caused any grief for you or your family and if it has you have my sincere apology.

It is interesting that you stated your first reaction to the incident was not dissimilar to my own. At least you understand that it is difficult for some to accept the occurrence of a "hunting accident". Perhaps this wasn't an accident, maybe it was, maybe it was something else. As you have said it is best to let the subject rest and with that I am in agreement.

I have been accused of being too much a coward to say to you directly what I have voiced elsewhere concerning your writings and videos so I will say it to you now. I am not a fan of either, nothing personal but your style is not to my liking. I subscribe to the gun mags that print your stuff and I have bought your videos and as a result have formed my own opinions. I know that you will agree, that is to be expected when you produce a product and place it in the marketplace. As you said, you can't please everyone, and, if you could, I suspect the world would be a pretty boring place.

Regards,
Andy
 
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Craig, thanks for weighing in here. I'm glad things seem to be going well for all concerned. Please tell Brittany and the PH that under the same circumstances, I could see myself doing exactly the same thing. This could have happened to anyone.

To the forum:

Craig gave an extremely gracious response, especially given the venom from that person who will no longer be named ("PWWNLBN"). I do not think I could have done the same under the circumstances. I did not see an apology from PWWNLBN, which was clearly warranted. I think the contrast in the posts from Mr. Boddington and PWWNBN is quite telling.

To PWWNBN:

Just go away.
 
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Thanks Andy, nicely done.


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Andy, you are always entitled to your own opinion. I do what I do, I am who I am. You aren't required to like me, or my writing, or my film work. I wish you well, and I appreciate your response.
Cheers, Craig
 
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Andy, you are always entitled to your own opinion. I do what I do, I am who I am. You aren't required to like me, or my writing, or my film work. I wish you well, and I appreciate your response.
Cheers, Craig


Thank you Craig, I wish you nothing but the best.

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Geez!! Maybe you two should get a room. Big Grin


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Craig:

I'm sure I am not the only one who is embarrassed that you have felt obliged to respond to the unseemly postings of one of our members – particularly over such a wrenching personal experience. But your response was concise, honest, and generous. Oscar Wilde once said that, “a true gentleman is one who is never unintentionally rude.” Your reply brilliantly demonstrated to us all – Adrook in particular – that you can make your point without resorting to boorish behavior. As Caleb, David, jetdrver, and several others have written, you are a class act.


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Greetings Craig, I am sorry you felt the need to have to defend Brittany and try to control some of the shit you knew was going to fly. It is any good fathers obligation and right to do so but it shouldnt be necessary. I knew some would throw stones only because of her relationship to you. It dosnt matter if they like you as a writer or not, one has nothing to do with the other. I happen to enjoy your work even if I am not always in agreement. Most of the time we have been over the years, but not always. My opinion and yours on a particular subject have never interfered with treating each other with mutual respect. You have always been a gentleman and given me nothing but good advice when I have asked. I also have nothing but the utmost respect respect for Miss Brittany. She is a level headed young lady and a pleasure to be around. Ever since we met in Detroit I have interacted with you and your daughter at various Sci and other functions. I said it before and say it again, anyone who wants to talk shit obviously has never met Brittany. It is easy to try and second guess something after the fact. However there are times it is not appropiate and this is one of them. Give my regards to Brittany and tell her she has the support of the majority. Hopefully I will see you both at the next convention as well as other venues. You taught her well. All anyone has to do is ask those that have hunted with her or interacted on other occasions.

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Very fitting. I like that a lot. Who said or wrote that?

Brett


It was written sometime in the 1930's by John Walter Wayland. It is generally known as the creed used by SAE fraternity and is in the manual of the US Naval Academy. There was a time when we had to be able to say and finish it while holding a burning match... Eeker


WADR Mr Wayland only restated something first said by General R.E. Lee:

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Definition of a Gentleman - "The forbearing use of power does not only form a touchstone, but the manner in which an individual enjoys certain advantages over others is a test of a true gentleman. The power which the strong have over the weak, the employer over the employed, the educated over the unlettered, the experienced over the confiding, even the clever over the silly -- the forbearing or inoffensive use of all this power or authority, or a total abstinence from it when the case admits it, will show the gentleman in a plain light. The gentleman does not needlessly and unnecessarily remind an offender of a wrong he may have committed against him. He cannot only forgive, he can forget; and he strives for that nobleness of self and mildness of character which impart sufficient strength to let the past be but the past. A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others."
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Yes, Craig Boddington fits that discription to a T.
 
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Don ought to change the title of this post from "Why the hypocrisy here" to "Where are the manners here". If this keeps up, it's going to look like the political forum -- hell, it already does. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and entitled to express it, but it's not so much what you say as how you say it. Might I suggest that many here step back and take a deep breath?


The political forum can't hold a candle to this thread.

It belongs in the hall of shame, right near the top.

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Don,

Any chance of creating a, 'utter bollocks for fuckwits' forum so that all this kind of nonsense could just be moved there? The the few fuckwits we have, could just argue amongst themselves and leave the rest to talk hunting! Smiler






 
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I have to admit that initially I was not in favor of Adrook and some of his comments may have been inappropriate. Especially since I have met CB and found him friendly and personable.

However, on this thread that Saeed closed, Adrook has some very good points and a strong arguments. I would like to see Lionhunter's response.


If Adrook's charges against Lionhunter are true.....than Lionhunter has engaged in deception/dishonesty in the hunting community. Deceiving your hunting comrades is a capital offense.


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Note that CB even had the honesty and humility to partially agree with instead of merely brow beating Adrook (like I did). That is Class. A lesson for us all. And especially Adrook.


Pot to Kettle, over.


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Note that CB even had the honesty and humility to partially agree with instead of merely brow beating Adrook (like I did). That is Class. A lesson for us all. And especially Adrook.


Pot to Kettle, over.


Now who is being the troll?
 
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Adrook

Earlier I suggested that you "grow up". You did. Your response to Craigs post was reasoned and well said. You have every right to your opinions and, while I may not share all of them, I respect them. Perhaps this thread can end on a high note.

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Adrook,
Although I dont like most of what you said earlier, I think the apology to Craig/Brittany was appropriate. As such you have redeemed yourself somewhat in my eyes.


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Guys, Whether justified or not Saeed has seen fit to ban Drook from this forum. You can make up your own minds if he was an asset to the forum or not, I think he was and is. He made us think even though he made some of you mad. He owned some of you without you even knowing it. His rants were almost without exception tongue in cheek. His skin was sufficiently thick to continue to make us all laugh. My belief is that the lionhunter post / CB thing got out of control and was not the singular fault of Andy but Andy got poleaxed. Yes, Andy and I are friends. Friends stand by friends regardless, thats what men do. Take a look back at most of the 100 plus post threads and Andy was heavily involved in most of them. I think he will be missed.
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He posted one too many times on the LionHunter thread that is locked, would be my guess.

I was wondering if that happened.
 
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It's my belief the lionhunter went nuke before Andy did, Why is he still alive?
 
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It's my belief the lionhunter went nuke before Andy did, Why is he still alive?


In the thread in thread in questions, Saeed said to let it go. That should have stopped it.

LionHunter was lined up with the majority (you know, the guys with torches and pitchforks in the Frankenstein movies). He was given more leeway despite being a bit obsessed and doing an impression of an internet stalker.
 
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Im sure his racist remarks had something to do with it also I dont know the man seen what he posted both him and lionhunter and both was uncalled for so if one is punished so should the other
 
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Most of the regulars really understand Andy, if you don't contribute to the ARPF gutplie, you couldn't know the whole, just the pieces. Taken as a whole Andy is a good man. The pieces seen by the few didn't show the whole man.
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Don, we agree on something, not polically, but its a start.

I also agree with Shakiri's suggestion for a new forum on "who wants to be banned?" I paraphrased his suggestion somewhat, and his suggestion is somewhat more descriptive.

My own personal opinion is that we should stop attacking each other, but that's a utopian idealistic concept.
 
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My own personal opinion is that we should stop attacking each other, but that's a utopian idealistic concept.


If everyone who agrees adopts that view, it's a start.

Edit: It is also consistent with those elusive Terms of Service I keep mentioning.
 
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Most of the regulars really understand Andy, if you don't contribute to the ARPF gutplie, you couldn't know the whole, just the pieces. Taken as a whole Andy is a good man. The pieces seen by the few didn't show the whole man.
Chipolopolo


What the F are you talking about? On the ARPF he models himself after a gargantuan turd! This is the same adrook that recollected fond memories of Aryan Nation members and Franco Franco as a sweetheart isn't it?

I believe adrook portrayed himself quite true to form on the Africa Forum.

Say Rook, (and 500 if you're lurking,) my offer to be you're new booking agent still stands. Send check for some huge amout and I'll get right to work as soon as it clears. As I mentioned before, I am one of those businessmen you value so much that will do anything for a buck no matter how odious the client.

In your cases, tons 'o bucks.
 
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Scott your opinion means nothing here as does mine, Why won't lionhunter answer some of those charges? I'm real curious if he's the real deal.
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No one has to answer here. We just weigh their advice by what we perceive.

I love this line stolen from a poster on another board:

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Scott your opinion means nothing here as does mine, Why won't lionhunter answer some of those charges? I'm real curious if he's the real deal.
Chipolopolo


Answer CHARGES?

What charges?

This is NOT a court of law. It is a discussion forum. And no one HAS to answer any question posed by you or anyone else!


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OK Saeed, questions not charges, I stand corrected. Why would you leave up the "DROOK" thread but lock the lionhunter post?
 
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A very sincere thank you to whoever pulled the trigger and banned him.


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