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Oh this one should be good!!! Its like most other things in life. Were do you draw the line at? At some point all the tech. starts to take away from the hunt. At least for me anyway. I have walked in the foot prints of the elephant, listened to lion roar and met the buffalo on his turf. I shall never be the same. | |||
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Heard the price would be around 3900 euros | |||
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Sweet. I want one. A G Seven ballistic rangefinder and scope in one. No more twisting turrets. If technology can ensure a cleaner kill, why not? ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Published on Mar 2, 2017 Please note: This product is not available in the USA and Canada. The challenges of today can only be tackled with the technology of tomorrow. The time has now come for the dS. This was under the video, why is it not available in the USA or Canada? Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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They will initiate the launch on the US market with the Shot Show in January 2018. It will be in stores in Europe around July 2017 | |||
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Seems to do essentially what the Burris Eliminator scope does. Probably better glass tho..... Bruce | |||
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Zeiss and Burris have one but Swarovskis seems to have extra all including weight and price | |||
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Beautiful country. I want the scope too. Thanks for posting. Paul Smith SCI Life Member NRA Life Member DSC Member Life Member of the "I Can't Wait to Get Back to Africa" Club DRSS I had the privilege to fire E. Hemingway's WR .577NE, E. Keith's WR .470NE, & F. Jamieson's WJJ .500 Jeffery I strongly recommend avoidance of "The Zambezi Safari & Travel Co., Ltd." and "Pisces Sportfishing-Cabo San Lucas" "A failed policy of national defense is its own punishment" Otto von Bismarck | |||
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A well done video for sure! Tech at its best! Skip Nantz | |||
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I use the current Z6i with turrets. I like this a lot. I am all in. I do not see it as cheating at all. Takes out some guess work on hold over. Sign me!!!! | |||
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Look, if it doesn't solve the wind problem, it will not be a leap forward. Furthermore, at really long range, I don't think the holdover is fine enough. Give me a LR that has a laser doppler anemometer and I would pay three times the price. Until then, I will stick with my G7 and/or iPhone ballistics app. Range, angle, etc. is not the problem - it is the wind. | |||
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First, nicely done advertisement When he ranges it the first time and then it moves the range is 169 meters. Do ya really need that much scope at that range? M | |||
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I'll stay with regular scope and within 150 or so Can't get excited about distance But It sure get excited when I'm close " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Advantage yes, cheating no. With anything, you still have to do your part and it may be a fun tool to use, but I like my Ziess and will continue to use it. | |||
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I don't think that they're in Africa. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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I'm sure the first hunters who used scopes were thought of as cheaters as well. Time marches on, I guess. | |||
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Cool, now I'll find some great deals on used Swaro scopes in the classifieds when you guys with deep pockets "need" to buy the latest.  Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I want to wear a tweed sport coat when hunting!  | |||
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I'm a sucker for the latest gadgets, but I see no use for my style of hunting. I like to get as close as I can. It would be fun to play around at the range though. Impressive peice of technology....it's just not for me. | |||
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IMHO technology is a slippery slope and there are other conflicting ethical issues as well. We all owe the animals we hunt as quick and painless death as possible. To the extent technology assists in that, I applaud it. That's why I use rangefinders. Some might think that's too much. That said, I like trying to get closer to make a cleaner shot. When technology encourages longer shots, I'm not sure I like that. So what about scopes? I like scopes. Where do you draw the line? I think as long as it's legal, it's an individual decision. | |||
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I was thinking the same thing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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+1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Legal is in the of beholder I'd say, use your own standards But in the end, we will fall due to too much technology " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Cheating? No. But the thrill of the stalk and of the hunt is gone with so much technology. A few years ago at DSC some idiots were showing a computer controlled scope and making kills at 900-1000 yards. The guys could not stalk and could not hunt. Hell, they could not even shoot as the computer did all the work. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Good for those hunting Mountain sheep and goat. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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The only thing that commercial makes me want to buy is one of those Sherlock Holmes Deerstalker hats, and maybe a gold-trimmed cane like the guide is using. Reminds me of "Spiridon Moor" and Jap Bay on Kodiak Island, to which I shall return with my new cap and cane.  Riflecrank Internationale Permanente. Incurable is spelled the same in French and English.  | |||
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No but using sticks is. ZIMBABWE 2016 ZIMBABWE 2017 Zimbabwe 2019 | |||
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I hunted Stags during the rut in the highlands back in the early 90's. Wonderful experience with the loading ponies following you at distance and all. I believe I used a variable up to 8 or 10 x European scope on a 300 win mag Blazer. I thought I was riding the edge of technology. Lol. I was I guess. Some of those Stags were far , really far. Others I got closer , as per the ad. The Stalks were great and we spent hours out there everyday walking those hills. We managed 2 Stags per day. For me this new scope would take all the fun out of it. No need to do any quick calculations in your head in the heat of the moment , Just put the crosshairs on him and squeeze. But that's just me. Its an incredible piece of equipment for sure. Now for culling , this would be great. Happy hunting | |||
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Or Vaal Rhebok anywhere or springbok in an open pan or Bushbuck in KZN or klipspringer, eland and mountain reedbuck in the Drakensberg, etc, etc. I can find all types of African settings where 300 yards is as close as you're ever going to get. A lot of hunters never see any shots over 100 yards most of their lives and believe that you can always stalk anything within that distance. I beg to differ. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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When someone sees one for sale- let me know. I like getting close too, but this takes some guess work out of the mix. Just think what would have happened if Teddy Roosevelt had one of these on his safari in 1909! He would have wounded a lot less. | |||
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Add Lechwe, Sitatunga and Mountain Nyala to that list. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Or a need to place the crosshairs a foot above the stag's back? | |||
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I didn't see where this scope will dope the wind for you..... | |||
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That system didn't dope the wind either; in fact, since it used/uses a digital image, it is impossible to read mirage (if you have a side parallax scope you can move the focus closer to see the mirage if not already present). | |||
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I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I don't use sights of any kind. I hate cheaters.   Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Mike, I am getting to where I can't see the sights! | |||
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It isn't coming to the US or Canada anytime soon. There is a conflicting patent. | |||
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Swarovski said it will be announced Jan 2018 for US market | |||
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The heck with the scope.....did none of you realize the guide was wearing a TIE?????????  | |||
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Another plus it keeps us older guys in focus to enjoy our sport a bit longer.Technology you got to love it,it's called progress.